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Subject: Ending of the Halo storyline "Spoiler"

I'm almost certain your completely wrong. We'll see when Halo 6 is released.

  • 06.10.2011 11:45 AM PDT
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At the start of Marathon, he appears to believe that he is merely a human, although clearly a talented, dangerous and powerful one. However, persistent references to "nine MJOLNIR Mark IV cyborgs" throughout the game has led many fans to believe that the Cyborg is in fact the tenth member of this group. However, the cyborg himself does not come to realize this until Marathon Infinity, when he starts having surreal flashbacks, trips into his own mind, and spontaneous, bizarre dreams as a side-effect of Jjaro technology employed in his cybernetic enhancements.

It has been speculated, probably incorrectly, that the Cyborg's mind is that of an AI in a human's body (though during one point in Marathon Infinity, the player does very likely upload Durandal's core matrix into his own brain before merging it with Thoth). In Infinity, he seems to be undergoing a sort of rampancy. (The three chapters of Infinity are called Despair, Rage, and Envy, which parallel the three documented stages of rampancy -- Melancholy, Anger and Jealousy.) Since rampancy is defined as "an artificial intelligence's coming to realize that it is not real," this may show that the player is not, in fact, human. Alternately, it may symbolize the entirely human Marine wresting control of his own destiny from the AIs that he has been serving for the last three games, and unlocking mastery over the latent powers of the Jjaro cybernetics that were integrated into him so long ago.

This post proves me AND you correct Wazooty, about how MC could go rampant himself and how MC could have the forerunner's memory!!

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  • 06.10.2011 11:46 AM PDT

Didn't they say in cryptum that it was their suits that let the forerunners live so many thousands of years? Completely out of the elements, no sickness, no harm, no degredation, etc.

Sure I don't expect it to instantly increase your lifespan by thousands of years, but I imagine it would increase the lives of a human by at least a couple hundred years. Even something life 50 would be sufficient, just enough for chief and co to save the galaxy :).

I am curious about cortana though. I wonder if the forerunner could "fix" her, make her even better.

And that whole thing about ONI secretly being how the forerunner are guiding humanity...the more I think about it the more sense it seems to make. It would also explain the data pads in halo reach. TBH it was inspired by the other "fake" storyline thread that mentioned that ONI is in on the secret. But it makes sense....

But yeah, our ideas are almost identical, mine is just more uh...haloized and yours is more marathonized.

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Posted by: Wazooty
Didn't they say in cryptum that it was their suits that let the forerunners live so many thousands of years? Completely out of the elements, no sickness, no harm, no degredation, etc.

Sure I don't expect it to instantly increase your lifespan by thousands of years, but I imagine it would increase the lives of a human by at least a couple hundred years. Even something life 50 would be sufficient, just enough for chief and co to save the galaxy :).

I am curious about cortana though. I wonder if the forerunner could "fix" her, make her even better.

And that whole thing about ONI secretly being how the forerunner are guiding humanity...the more I think about it the more sense it seems to make. It would also explain the data pads in halo reach. TBH it was inspired by the other "fake" storyline thread that mentioned that ONI is in on the secret. But it makes sense....

But yeah, our ideas are almost identical, mine is just more uh...haloized.


wow.. by saying that their suits made them live longer.. you just supported a theory that has been highly criticized in this thread. How does MC live 228yrs later to become marathon man...

I think i just had an epiphany..

  • 06.10.2011 11:58 AM PDT

And heck, maybe, just maybe we can get a perfect disney ending where chief gets the girl too!

Linda...because I love redheads.

  • 06.10.2011 12:08 PM PDT
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wasn't there a female spartan alive at the end of reach in her sleep?

  • 06.10.2011 12:10 PM PDT

I think the spartan on the POA was just an easter egg of the chief, not really canonical.

But kelly, linda and whatever females from the survivng S-IIIs are still there.

  • 06.10.2011 12:19 PM PDT
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Kelly has some type of relevance that would hint that it couldn't be her.. most likely Linda..

  • 06.10.2011 12:49 PM PDT

You are obviously an idiot. Being a cyborg DOES NOT give Master Chief the potential to experience rampancy. He still has a human mind and the limits of a human mind (and body, he can't live forever). The implants that make him a cyborg ONLY give him an edge in combat (such as quickened reflexes), not the massive intellectual capacity of a smart AI. Rampancy is caused by an AI's need to know more. If they store too much knowledge, they think that they know everything, and belive that they are superior to humans. This is why rampant AIs are dangerous.

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  • 06.10.2011 1:17 PM PDT
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Forerunners developed a way to be AI themselves, basically they added like a 2nd brain to themselves, or in other words connected their brains to a type of computer.. just like the relationship between MC and Cortana. You should read the chatter between me and Wazooty

"It has been speculated, probably incorrectly, that the Cyborg's mind is that of an AI in a human's body (though during one point in Marathon Infinity, the player does very likely upload Durandal's core matrix into his own brain before merging it with Thoth). In Infinity, he seems to be undergoing a sort of rampancy."

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Posted by: Monitor117
I'm sure you've noticed the biblical ties Bungie has incorporated into the Bungie games. If you have been through the story line you will learn that to save humanity you must "restart" the universe. You will also find that there is yet to be a character that concludes its "rampancy", therefore no one knows what happens after rampancy. Master Chief is not human, he is classed "cyborg" thus giving him the opportunity to embark on rampancy. If you are a christian you should know that there is "God" is us all.We are the "Player(s)" of Master Chief. Master Chief will undergo rampancy, and in his last stage of rampancy will have the desire to become god. He will then be THE one, "The Timeless one" who is brought up in the storyline of Marathon, to restart the universe. Even though bungie denies it now, the Ceo at one point did in fact state that master chief IS in fact the Marathon man. Being a cyborg and all.. He CAN live forever. He will restart the universe and be the only one in the new universe, thus making him "God"



If anything, Master Chief would be symbolism for Jesus Christ not God...

Many people think as Jesus being God's son, or God in human form... While in the Halo universe, the first "beings" to exist were precursors. They were creators of Halo's universe, they could most definitely be perceived as Gods.

"Terminals around the Ark indicates it is possible that the Forerunner 'Mantle' (Guardians of the Galaxy and all life) was handed down from "legends of the past": the Precursors." The Precursors handed down their legacy to the Forerunners.

This Being said... The Forerunners (more specifically the monitors of the installations [who were created by forerunners to 'guard' the Halos]) refer to the humans as Reclaimers, Reclaimers as in the forerunners passing down their "responsibility" of activating the Halo rings (Leads us to believe that this is the reason the Ark is on earth).

Master, being the most "renowned" Reclaimer, is a, possibly indirect, symbol for Jesus Christ.

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marathon and halo are mutually exclusive


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Posted by: Monitor117
I'm sure you've noticed the biblical ties Bungie has incorporated into the Bungie games. If you have been through the story line you will learn that to save humanity you must "restart" the universe. You will also find that there is yet to be a character that concludes its "rampancy", therefore no one knows what happens after rampancy. Master Chief is not human, he is classed "cyborg" thus giving him the opportunity to embark on rampancy. If you are a christian you should know that there is "God" is us all.We are the "Player(s)" of Master Chief. Master Chief will undergo rampancy, and in his last stage of rampancy will have the desire to become god. He will then be THE one, "The Timeless one" who is brought up in the storyline of Marathon, to restart the universe. Even though bungie denies it now, the Ceo at one point did in fact state that master chief IS in fact the Marathon man. Being a cyborg and all.. He CAN live forever. He will restart the universe and be the only one in the new universe, thus making him "God"



If anything, Master Chief would be symbolism for Jesus Christ not God...

Many people think as Jesus being God's son, or God in human form... While in the Halo universe, the first "beings" to exist were precursors. They were creators of Halo's universe, they could most definitely be perceived as Gods.

"Terminals around the Ark indicates it is possible that the Forerunner 'Mantle' (Guardians of the Galaxy and all life) was handed down from "legends of the past": the Precursors." The Precursors handed down their legacy to the Forerunners.

This Being said... The Forerunners (more specifically the monitors of the installations [who were created by forerunners to 'guard' the Halos]) refer to the humans as Reclaimers, Reclaimers as in the forerunners passing down their "responsibility" of activating the Halo rings (Leads us to believe that this is the reason the Ark is on earth).

Master, being the most "renowned" Reclaimer, is a, possibly indirect, symbol for Jesus Christ.


I like this, something in here just made me realize that you are completely right b/c at the end of halo 3 Bias tells MC "And you shall be my example". With the forerunners being the christians and the mantle being the bible.When you said, "The Forerunners (more specifically the monitors of the installations [who were created by forerunners to 'guard' the Halos])"i thought about what Bias said.

Kudos to you sir, thank you. I need more people like you and Wazooty.

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marathon and halo are mutually exclusive


I love how you gave an exact number and graded me as if you worked for bungie not realizing that cyborg security officer of marathon is also known as Mjolnir Recon number 54.. with that said it's kinda hard to say that marathon and halo have nothing to do with each other. Unless you're going to accuse Bungie of basically remaking their old game with a different universe.. but wouldnt that be odd seeing as the events of marathon are only a lil over 200 years after the events of halo 3? This isnt a coincidence, bungie does everything on purpose.

Go do some math and tell me when you come up with 7.

  • 06.10.2011 1:40 PM PDT


Posted by: Monitor117

Posted by: VXG spartan92380

Posted by: Monitor117
I'm sure you've noticed the biblical ties Bungie has incorporated into the Bungie games. If you have been through the story line you will learn that to save humanity you must "restart" the universe. You will also find that there is yet to be a character that concludes its "rampancy", therefore no one knows what happens after rampancy. Master Chief is not human, he is classed "cyborg" thus giving him the opportunity to embark on rampancy. If you are a christian you should know that there is "God" is us all.We are the "Player(s)" of Master Chief. Master Chief will undergo rampancy, and in his last stage of rampancy will have the desire to become god. He will then be THE one, "The Timeless one" who is brought up in the storyline of Marathon, to restart the universe. Even though bungie denies it now, the Ceo at one point did in fact state that master chief IS in fact the Marathon man. Being a cyborg and all.. He CAN live forever. He will restart the universe and be the only one in the new universe, thus making him "God"



If anything, Master Chief would be symbolism for Jesus Christ not God...

Many people think as Jesus being God's son, or God in human form... While in the Halo universe, the first "beings" to exist were precursors. They were creators of Halo's universe, they could most definitely be perceived as Gods.

"Terminals around the Ark indicates it is possible that the Forerunner 'Mantle' (Guardians of the Galaxy and all life) was handed down from "legends of the past": the Precursors." The Precursors handed down their legacy to the Forerunners.

This Being said... The Forerunners (more specifically the monitors of the installations [who were created by forerunners to 'guard' the Halos]) refer to the humans as Reclaimers, Reclaimers as in the forerunners passing down their "responsibility" of activating the Halo rings (Leads us to believe that this is the reason the Ark is on earth).

Master Chief, being the most "renowned" Reclaimer, is a, possibly indirect, symbol for Jesus Christ.


I like this, something in here just made me realize that you are completely right b/c at the end of halo 3 Bias tells MC "And you shall be my example". With the forerunners being the christians and the mantle being the bible.When you said, "The Forerunners (more specifically the monitors of the installations [who were created by forerunners to 'guard' the Halos])"i thought about what Bias said.

Kudos to you sir, thank you. I need more people like you and Wazooty.


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yes, BUNGIE does , even if this was bungie's plan all along, they cant fulfill it now. If you hadn't noticed, all references to marathon were stripped when halo reach came out. 343, being money driven machines they are, will not make this halo ending. they will not...... unless you tap your heels 3 times.....


the date probably WAS a marathon tie in but the date was assigned when the series came out, before we knew much about the ACTUAL plot

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marathon and halo are mutually exclusive


I love how you gave an exact number and graded me as if you worked for bungie not realizing that cyborg security officer of marathon is also known as Mjolnir Recon number 54.. with that said it's kinda hard to say that marathon and halo have nothing to do with each other. Unless you're going to accuse Bungie of basically remaking their old game with a different universe.. but wouldnt that be odd seeing as the events of marathon are only a lil over 200 years after the events of halo 3? This isnt a coincidence, bungie does everything on purpose.

Go do some math and tell me when you come up with 7.

  • 06.10.2011 2:04 PM PDT

Bungie does exclusively make references to Marathon but has said somewhere that they are separate universes and aren't directly related.


Posted by: IOU 720
yes, BUNGIE does , even if this was bungie's plan all along, they cant fulfill it now. If you hadn't noticed, all references to marathon were stripped when halo reach came out. 343, being money driven machines they are, will not make this halo ending. they will not...... unless you tap your heels 3 times.....


the date probably WAS a marathon tie in but the date was assigned when the series came out, before we knew much about the ACTUAL plot

Posted by: Monitor117

Posted by: IOU 720
30%
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wrong answer
wrong theory
wrong
just plain not right
marathon and halo are mutually exclusive


I love how you gave an exact number and graded me as if you worked for bungie not realizing that cyborg security officer of marathon is also known as Mjolnir Recon number 54.. with that said it's kinda hard to say that marathon and halo have nothing to do with each other. Unless you're going to accuse Bungie of basically remaking their old game with a different universe.. but wouldnt that be odd seeing as the events of marathon are only a lil over 200 years after the events of halo 3? This isnt a coincidence, bungie does everything on purpose.

Go do some math and tell me when you come up with 7.


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  • 06.10.2011 2:20 PM PDT
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This thread has nothing to do with what happened in 4,5 and 6 but what happens after marathon which is 228 years later, im getting tired of stressing this. I'm sure you're right and 343 is gonna change it up, except for the fact that 343 is another reference to 7. Bungie holds a lot of secrets my friends and 7 is one of them.
So with THAT said, ill say this one last time.
Go do some math and tell me when you come up with 7.

  • 06.10.2011 2:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Monitor117

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The point I am making is that the Chief has no mechanical implants that would make him a cyborg by any means; he is known as one because of his armour. Without his armour, he is really just a human on drugs, like super-mega-steroids.

Also, the events and civilisations of the two universes don't line up, and don't match enough to even be comparable.
The only things to tie the Chief and the Marathon man together is the style in which Bungie makes its games (each developer has a style, Bungie's is apparently supersoldier-in-space games) and a string of references to Marathon throughout Halo as a throwback to a series gone by.

The Cheif =/= Marathon Man. I'm going to bed..


I'll just stress this one last time. Ceo of Bungie once announced that Master Chief IS Marathon man, despite the fact that bungie now denies this claim.. it's so you don't find out the truth early on.


Alright man, stop trolling. An employee who QUIT was the one that said that the Chief was the Marathon man. He was a troll, just like you are. Bungie denied it. NO, these two universes are NOT the same.

Also, Bungie's not even MAKING the Halo games anymore, so it's NOT EVEN POSSIBLE for them to be the same.

  • 06.10.2011 2:24 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

That and Bungie has the rights to Marathon, 343 Industries does not.

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I understand this, but bungie also says that MC isnt MM, even though back in the day when the first halo was released, the CEO did actually say that MC was in fact MM.
Bungie holds their secrets for a reason, they waited almost 10 years to make halo 1 and they waited 10 more years to make this new trilogy, do you not see the pattern?

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Alright man, stop trolling. An employee who QUIT was the one that said that the Chief was the Marathon man. He was a troll, just like you are. Bungie denied it. NO, these two universes are NOT the same.

Also, Bungie's not even MAKING the Halo games anymore, so it's NOT EVEN POSSIBLE for them to be the same.


Again. 343.. 7 reference.. employee who quit.. where the heck did you get this from? it sounds like you're the troll here haha. It would be pointless to put marathon clues in the halo universe if they were of the same. The hint is right here in the forums.. "Bungie Universe"

None of you can say i'm right or wrong, you're gonna have to find out later when i'm right. If you can't stop arguing with me, everyone's just going to accept you're being an immature little kid b/c my belief has not changed.

  • 06.10.2011 2:28 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Monitor117
I understand this, but bungie also says that MC isnt MM, even though back in the day when the first halo was released, the CEO did actually say that MC was in fact MM.
Bungie holds their secrets for a reason, they waited almost 10 years to make halo 1 and they waited 10 more years to make this new trilogy, do you not see the pattern?

Any pattern you draw up is null and void since nobody but Bungie can make the Marathon connections legally.

  • 06.10.2011 2:28 PM PDT

You can't haz mudkip.

Guys, don't even bother. He joined just yesterday.
This is him.

  • 06.10.2011 2:33 PM PDT

"On the seventh day, god did not rest, but rather he created 64 player multiplayer!"

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Posted by: Monitor117
I understand this, but bungie also says that MC isnt MM, even though back in the day when the first halo was released, the CEO did actually say that MC was in fact MM.
Bungie holds their secrets for a reason, they waited almost 10 years to make halo 1 and they waited 10 more years to make this new trilogy, do you not see the pattern?

Any pattern you draw up is null and void since nobody but Bungie can make the Marathon connections legally.


Not trying to stir the pot any more here but, just thought I'd mention that it's not impossible for agreements to be made between developers to use content from each other to create a game. Just because 343 doesn't own the rights to certain content, doesn't mean it can NEVER show up in one of their games.

[Edited on 06.10.2011 2:36 PM PDT]

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