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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

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Im pretty sure if the forerunners were the antagonists then they would have seen Master Chief as a threat and destroyed his ship before it made it to the Legendary planet


Pretty sure Forerunners wouldn't attack him in the first place.

You know, reclaimer and all.

Just saying. If the chief teleported to the time when the human forerunner war was waged then the chief wouldn't have made it so close to the planet. Or maybe they would be curious to see a random object that resembles a ship they have never seen before

  • 06.10.2011 1:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: evilcam
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Set in the aftermath of Halo 3, Master Chief returns to confront his own destiny and face an ancient evil that threatens the fate of the entire universe.

But why would the Forerunners be a threat to the Universe?

I think it might be the Precursors.

[Edited on 06.10.2011 2:05 PM PDT]

  • 06.10.2011 2:00 PM PDT

I don't think so. If anything they would be allies. That last precursor has a better chance of becoming the newest enemy for the chief.

  • 06.10.2011 2:05 PM PDT

That would be pretty ironic and cool at the same time. The oldest remaining precursor against the youngest(technically in terms of time)human

  • 06.10.2011 2:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: x Sedated x
Im pretty sure if the forerunners were the antagonists then they would have seen Master Chief as a threat and destroyed his ship before it made it to the Legendary planet


There is this argument.

There is also the "forerunners outpower chief by United States of Americas Debt to one."

There is also the writing point of view. You really can't get a whole story out of this, honestly. Just a quick escape thing.

And finally, I have a bad feeling time travel would be involved if your idea holds water.

  • 06.10.2011 2:21 PM PDT

I think it could be the precursors, or the last remaining one for that matter. After all they did create the flood and release it into the galaxy and they are REALLY ancient.

  • 06.10.2011 2:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: A Celtic Tiger
I really can't imagine an entirely new galactic wide threat being made up, right out of the blue, for one game.


Ummm, it's confirmed that Halo 4 is the start of a second Halo trilogy.

Source.


OT: I'm leaning towards either the Forerunners or Precursors, as well. Most likely the Forerunners, though, because the Precursors are so ungodly advanced that the Chief, and any possible allied forces, would not stand a CHANCE against them.

But the Forerunners have been shown to be the good guys for all of these years...I don't know. There's probably something we don't know yet. I say we wait for the last two Forerunner books to be released, and for Halo Fest.


Also, it says "an ancient evil" on Waypoint. Keep in mind that this may not be referring to an entire RACE. Could it be possible that it's one person? One entity? Or a small council of entities? The Timeless One comes to mind. An entire race of Precursors would be able to destroy everything, but just one? That's doable.

[Edited on 06.10.2011 2:40 PM PDT]

  • 06.10.2011 2:35 PM PDT


Posted by: Monitor117

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The timeless one? You mean the last precursor?


Yes, and I agree. Being a Precursor, he's the only one who could possibly threaten the entire universe in Halo lore. Plus they've been building up the Precursors a lot with Cryptum.


Have you guys even thought that the precursors may actually be the good guys? I mean in the end the covenant ended up being the good guys, it was the prophets and the brutes that made them turn against us in the first place. Keep in mind history repeats itself even in the bungie universe.


The Prisoner, not the Precursors as a whole. Evidently, the Prisoner is the Gravemind.

@guy above me

That's why the entire trilogy would be focused on the only living Precursor, the one in Cryptum. He'd be the new main villain.

[Edited on 06.10.2011 2:40 PM PDT]

  • 06.10.2011 2:38 PM PDT

I can see a loose logic with devoted interpretation why the forerunners may be the new enemies, then again it is much too soon to determine anything with certainty of course.

-The bright iris light doesn't look very welcoming in my opinion. Watching the teaser I feel like Cortana and the Chief are about to enter a world of pain. That's my first impression.

-The ship is not just breaking apart, its blowing up as though under attack. The only two actors in this teaser if I'm not mistaken are the Forward unto Dawn and the planet sized forerunner construct. Who else could possibly be attacking the ship? If there were a third party, wouldn't we have seen them explicitly?
Why would the planet open itself as though letting its "prey" enter its womb while attacking it....I have no idea.


Cortana has a lot of information on the various installations, High Charity, the Ark, and to a lesser extent Medicant Bias. When the forerunner ship was detected by Cortana ( if she ever did detect it before plausible attack) perhaps she knew it was an eminent threat, thus awoken the chief in distress ASAP, making it just in time to save themselves from the chaos.

I can imagine why the forerunners would want to get their hands not just on the chief, but on Cortana. Medicant Bias did leave us as a sort of token for his masters. Perhaps he gave Cortana/chief a subliminal IFF...but that's pushing it I admit.

If it is the case that the forerunner do indeed want to get their hands on Cortana for reason X,Y,Z the question to ask is why are they attacking the ship then?

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Posted by: A Celtic Tiger
The Forerunners.

Yep.

I'm calling it right now. The Forerunners will be the enemy of Halo 4. I really can't imagine an entirely new galactic wide threat being made up, right out of the blue, for one game.

The main reason I'm making this topic, is so that a couple of years later, when(/if) the forerunners turn out to be the enemy, I can say, "yeah. I called it."

So, here are my arguements.

The Forerunners have been the newest intense focus of lore.
The forerunners have their own book now. With Halo CE Anniversery, we will be seeing forerunner-focused lore terminals. All of this intense focus must mean SOMETHING. And I think it points to them being the enemy, discovering their hidden evil.

Who else is there to fight?
For Halo 4, there will only be a few factions left in the galaxy. The Humans, the Elites (Presumably now leading all ex-Covenant races,) the Forerunners, and AI. The AI are like Cortana, and that secret AI council revealed in Halo: Reach. (Rampant AI also look like they could be enemies.) Really. Who else is left to fight? I know that the galaxy will have changed. A galaxy wracked by war, not wanting to fight again. Perfect for an old threat to re-emerge, the Forerunners.

There still are Halo rings...
Yeah, remember those galaxy killing superweapons? They still exist. And guess who controls them. They can only be activated by humans... And Forerunners! Bum bum bum.

Forerunners are masters of AI constructs.
With all this talk of smart AIs, AI rampancy, the only faction that has used AI extensivly has been the Forerunners. Imagine, a galaxy of lost facilities, with endless AI, all old, wise, and very very stir-crazy. Rampancy.

The Halo 4 trailer implies it.
Come on. The trailer description (My apologies, I can not access it now.) talks of Master Chief fighting a galaxy wide threat, an ancient evil. Come on! Look at Master Chief in the trailer. Why is the camera acting so dramatic, so in fear of this obviouslly Forerunner construct? Because it's a threat! That is what the trailer tells us.

There is a lot we do not know of Forerunners.
The Forerunners lived for a very long time, across the entire galaxy.
I think there is a reason that they were the only sentient species to rule it.
I think that they took it by force. There are no current records showing that they shared it with other species.


And there we have it folks.
The Forerunners are evil. Possibly due to AI rampancy. Possibly due to Precursor corruption. Possibly due to hidden evil.
Make up your own reasons.
I believe, that all things point,
to the Forerunners being the enemies of Halo 4.


Or not- considering that

A) They would be stupid to fight. Class 12 combat skins would be impenetrable.

B) Forerunners SIDED with humans and gave them all rights to protect the Mantle.

C) Precursors are probably the true threat. Maybe a Precursor threat (NOT an actual -blam!-ing Precursor) could resemble a Xenomorph, have the brilliance and agility of a Predator/Elite, and have the strength of... something. Maybe a full Precursor could be a game ending Boss?


D) The Prisoner

  • 06.10.2011 2:49 PM PDT

Wow....

Chief fighting xenomorphs...

That sound extremely awesome, but I think merging those two universes would piss off some parts of both fans pretty much, not my self though.
Remember the two universes are two different franchises.
Actually they are not, the only thing halo has that the Alien-predator universe does not have is the esthetics and beauty of alien planets and architectures.
The avp universe kind of portraits that cind of things like scary and dangerous.

But, it would be pretty awesome fighting aliens with the chief, they would actually fit in he halo universe.

  • 06.10.2011 3:27 PM PDT

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Perhaps the new enemies will not be here for one game there is going to be a 5 and 6, and chances are the new enemies will be in those games too.

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Monitor117

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Monitor117
The timeless one? You mean the last precursor?


Yes, and I agree. Being a Precursor, he's the only one who could possibly threaten the entire universe in Halo lore. Plus they've been building up the Precursors a lot with Cryptum.


Have you guys even thought that the precursors may actually be the good guys? I mean in the end the covenant ended up being the good guys, it was the prophets and the brutes that made them turn against us in the first place. Keep in mind history repeats itself even in the bungie universe.


The Prisoner, not the Precursors as a whole. Evidently, the Prisoner is the Gravemind.

@guy above me

That's why the entire trilogy would be focused on the only living Precursor, the one in Cryptum. He'd be the new main villain.


I'm pretty sure the prisoner was "The Timeless one" also known as the last precursor, unless you're saying that the last precursor is gravemind.. that could be.. i guess? O.o

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Posted by: talz321
Wow....

Chief fighting xenomorphs...

That sound extremely awesome, but I think merging those two universes would piss off some parts of both fans pretty much, not my self though.
Remember the two universes are two different franchises.
Actually they are not, the only thing halo has that the Alien-predator universe does not have is the esthetics and beauty of alien planets and architectures.
The avp universe kind of portraits that cind of things like scary and dangerous.

But, it would be pretty awesome fighting aliens with the chief, they would actually fit in he halo universe.


Not saying to merge the two, but just to take inspiration in the design.

ROFL imagine Commander Shepherd time travels and picks up the Chief to stop the Reapers

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Posted by: Monitor117

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Monitor117

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Posted by: Monitor117
The timeless one? You mean the last precursor?


Yes, and I agree. Being a Precursor, he's the only one who could possibly threaten the entire universe in Halo lore. Plus they've been building up the Precursors a lot with Cryptum.


Have you guys even thought that the precursors may actually be the good guys? I mean in the end the covenant ended up being the good guys, it was the prophets and the brutes that made them turn against us in the first place. Keep in mind history repeats itself even in the bungie universe.


The Prisoner, not the Precursors as a whole. Evidently, the Prisoner is the Gravemind.

@guy above me

That's why the entire trilogy would be focused on the only living Precursor, the one in Cryptum. He'd be the new main villain.


I'm pretty sure the prisoner was "The Timeless one" also known as the last precursor, unless you're saying that the last precursor is gravemind.. that could be.. i guess? O.o


The last KNOWN Precursor.

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The last KNOWN Precursor.


Touche'..

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Posted by: Monitor117

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The last KNOWN Precursor.


Touche'..


I really hope Halo 4 pulls in stuff from Halo Cryptum and the expanded Halo universe. Cryptum was such a good book...

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Wait a second.. "The Timeless One" said himself that he was the last Precursor..anyways..

IF.. im saying IF ifififif, IM SAYING IF SO NO ONE SAYS THAT THE HALO UNIVERSE AND MARATHON UNIVERSE ARE NOT THE SAME!! but IF they were.. Marathon had aliens that were identical to forerunners and such, there were like 2 or 3 difference races maybe 4 if i remember correctly but a couple of them were minor ones. I'm sure they had like AT LEAST 1 or 2 main race(s) though.

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IT JUST HIT ME!!
I just read a thread that says that the precursors probably control the flood, which is quite logical since they are the ones who released them MAYBE even created them even though there's a thread saying that they were from a different galaxy which i replied that the precursors were t0 and may have been able to travel from galaxy to galaxy explaining how they found the flood in the first place. But gravemind seems to be some type of AI b/c he can make AI's go rampant. Maybe the gravemind is how the precursors were able to advance to tier 0 advancment or ... come on people.. help me out.. there's a link somewhere here.. the last precursor aka the timeless one may be the only reason the flood or gravemind are still alive or maybe he knows how to defeat it.. maybe maybe maybe, i should have made a separate thread but what the hell haha

  • 06.10.2011 3:55 PM PDT

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It's a good idea, and maybe a forerunner defense is faulty or something. However, when you watch the Halo anime videos (I can't remember the name) the forerunners are at least neutral. They tried to save other races while sacrificing their own to stop the flood. Also, the Master Chief was "chosen" by the forerunners to help save humankind. All I'm saying is that the chance of forerunner enemies is slight. If it is though, I'll give you the credit.

  • 06.10.2011 4:01 PM PDT

what if its the demons of hell?

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Posted by: l aim4thehead l
It's a good idea, and maybe a forerunner defense is faulty or something. However, when you watch the Halo anime videos (I can't remember the name) the forerunners are at least neutral. They tried to save other races while sacrificing their own to stop the flood. Also, the Master Chief was "chosen" by the forerunners to help save humankind. All I'm saying is that the chance of forerunner enemies is slight. If it is though, I'll give you the credit.


Well like i said before, the covenant were bad and then were like "wtf are we doing" and went good. But ALSO the forerunners RUTHLESSLY killed of the precursors. I kinda wanna say that the true and only real enemy is gravemind and the flood. I'de love to get the credit if any of this is true. Can someone go find some proof? I'm tired of trolling :(

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