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Subject: It's Onyx's Shield World in Halo 4

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
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I believe that the Forerunner object we see at the end of Halo 3/Halo 4 trailer is a Shield World. But here is where it gets interesting.


In Halo: Ghosts of Onyx, Halsey, Mendez, and the Spartan-II/IIIs with them go through a slipspace bubble of some kind. They end up inside a Shield World. Halsey theorizes that the Shield World is inside slipspace which is located in the center of Onyx, a "planet" made of special Sentinels.

These Sentinels were most likely placed there as security.



Now here is my theory on what really happened. When the war was nearly over (possibly last couple months) Didact had one or several Shield World's transported outside the galaxy in response to the HW Shield World being lost to the Flood. Now the location of these worlds were kept a secret so that no Forerunner who became infected would reveal it's location.



So that Forerunners escaping the Flood would make it to the Shield Worlds, Didact had Slipspace Portals constructed that would lead an individual(s) to it. A Slipspace Portal on Earth transported craft to the Ark. As a security measure, a new type of Sentinel was made to protect these Portals. It is most likely that these Sentinels were created near the activation of the Array (near could be weeks or months.)



So when Halsey and the others went through the theoretical Slipspace Portal, it transported them outside the Milky Way.



We see in Halo Wars that the Spirit of Fire was dragged into the center of the Shield World. This could be because the systems of the Shield World recognized the crew as "reclaimers" and attempted to draw them to safety. Or it could be the system is designed to draw in non-flood ships.



In the Halo 4 trailer, we see that an opening is drawing in the remains of the Forward Unto Dawn. This is noticable as the opening in the planet is, well, opening up.



This all makes sense to me. Most likely Halo 4 will have a 4-Player Co-Op. Now think about it, there would be a total of 4 Spartan-IIs in the campaign then (John, Kelly, Linda, and Fred.) All of which are close friends to John. The S-IIIs could be there as troop support (but never die in gameplay.)
Player 1 (host): John
Player 2: Fred
Player 3: Kelly
Player 4: Linda


Now we see in Halo: Legends episode Origins that several years have passed since the end of Halo 3, and John is still in cryo. In First Strike we see that a "problem" occured in slipspace that sent John and Cortana back in time by a couple of weeks. It could be possible that when the slipspace portal collapse near the Ark, it sent the Foward Unto Dawn back in time by a several years. When John awakens, it could be soon after Halsey and the others arrive at the Shield World and free Team Katana.


Also this means that John gets to tell Halsey the unfortunate news of her daughter's death.




One a side note, I have a couple things I have theorized from seeing the Halo 4 trailer.


The suit John wears could be a possible armor he finds in the Forward Unto Dawn early in the campaign. It could be possible a Mark VII prototype was made and was placed on the FoD for John to try on but there was no time. The trailer was mearly showing us that he will look like that the majority of the game. It would be pointless to show us John wearing Mark VI from Halo 2/3 just for John to not wear it for the majority of the campaign.


Also the "Ancient Evil" John must face could possibly be something we haven't though of, prisoned Forerunners. What exactly would Forerunners do with their prisoners who commited various crimes? I imagine that this Shield World could hold Forerunner prisoners who committed horrible crimes. I imagine that the Foreunners don't practice the death penalty since they like their precious Mantle. Anyway I'm not supporting this Forerunner prisoner theory but it just seemed interesting and different.



I'm willing to bet 5 footnipples that there's gonna be several people who are gonna reply something like "It's NOT ONYX!" or "Onyx was destroyed!" These people clearly did not read my OP

[Edited on 06.10.2011 1:32 PM PDT]

  • 06.10.2011 1:30 PM PDT

TL;DR

I think its any kind of shield world, not neccesarily the on in GoO

  • 06.10.2011 1:34 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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No.

  • 06.10.2011 1:36 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

TL;DR?
What does that mean?

  • 06.10.2011 1:36 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
No.

  • 06.10.2011 1:37 PM PDT


Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
TL;DR?
What does that mean?


Too Long; Didn't Read.

OP's use it to give a brief one sentence summary of what they wrote.

  • 06.10.2011 1:44 PM PDT

I dont think the shield world is at "onyx" specifically.

Forerunners used slipspace portals to get anywhere. WHile I'm sure the portal on onyx did indeed lead to a shield world or something, I doubt the world they are in is specifically...onyx.

So it is entirely plausible that the place blue team ended up is the exact same place MC is now going.

[Edited on 06.10.2011 1:44 PM PDT]

  • 06.10.2011 1:44 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
No.


Agree, with the part about Mark VII.

If there was a Mark VII armor, even a damn prototype, they would have made time and gotten chief in it.

Even then, why would they stash it on the forward Unto Dawn? That makes no sense.

  • 06.10.2011 1:45 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg


Posted by: Wazooty
I dont think the shield world is at "onyx" specifically.

Forerunners used slipspace portals to get anywhere. WHile I'm sure the portal on onyx did indeed lead to a shield world or something, I doubt the world they are in is specifically...onyx.

So it is entirely plausible that the place blue team ended up is the exact same place MC is now going.


Well considering how amazing plot devices have worked in the past (MC time traveling and saving Halsey and the others on Reach) this is quite plausible.
The problem is that most people will most likely not read my OP and just read the title.

  • 06.10.2011 1:46 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Explain to me why Mendicant Bias, who influenced Chief's trajectory from the Ark's Slipspace Portal, would say he was going to send him to his makers to redeem himself send Chief to Onyx where no Forerunners are.

  • 06.10.2011 1:47 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg


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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
No.


Agree, with the part about Mark VII.

If there was a Mark VII armor, even a damn prototype, they would have made time and gotten chief in it.

Even then, why would they stash it on the forward Unto Dawn? That makes no sense.


it was just a thought. but let's just think of the trailer similar to the Halo Wars reveal. The Mark IV in the reveal was changed in the final game. And Team Omega was never on Harvest.

  • 06.10.2011 1:47 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Explain to me why Mendicant Bias, who influenced Chief's trajectory from the Ark's Slipspace Portal, would say he was going to send him to his makers to redeem himself send Chief to Onyx where no Forerunners are.


see this is what I mean, you didn't read my OP.

  • 06.10.2011 1:48 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: ImmortalJoshua

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Explain to me why Mendicant Bias, who influenced Chief's trajectory from the Ark's Slipspace Portal, would say he was going to send him to his makers to redeem himself send Chief to Onyx where no Forerunners are.


see this is what I mean, you didn't read my OP.

Highlight the portion where this is relevant then.

  • 06.10.2011 1:51 PM PDT


Posted by: ImmortalJoshua

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Explain to me why Mendicant Bias, who influenced Chief's trajectory from the Ark's Slipspace Portal, would say he was going to send him to his makers to redeem himself send Chief to Onyx where no Forerunners are.


see this is what I mean, you didn't read my OP.


My comment on the portals. Why would multiple worlds all have slipspace portals to the same micro-dyson sphere?

It's a security FAIL. If the flood reached one portal, that means every person taking refuge there is dead.

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
I believe that the Forerunner object we see at the end of Halo 3/Halo 4 trailer is a Shield World. But here is where it gets interesting.


In Halo: Ghosts of Onyx, Halsey, Mendez, and the Spartan-II/IIIs with them go through a slipspace bubble of some kind. They end up inside a Shield World. Halsey theorizes that the Shield World is inside slipspace which is located in the center of Onyx, a "planet" made of special Sentinels.

These Sentinels were most likely placed there as security.



Now here is my theory on what really happened. When the war was nearly over (possibly last couple months) Didact had one or several Shield World's transported outside the galaxy in response to the HW Shield World being lost to the Flood. Now the location of these worlds were kept a secret so that no Forerunner who became infected would reveal it's location.



So that Forerunners escaping the Flood would make it to the Shield Worlds, Didact had Slipspace Portals constructed that would lead an individual(s) to it. A Slipspace Portal on Earth transported craft to the Ark. As a security measure, a new type of Sentinel was made to protect these Portals. It is most likely that these Sentinels were created near the activation of the Array (near could be weeks or months.)



So when Halsey and the others went through the theoretical Slipspace Portal, it transported them outside the Milky Way.



We see in Halo Wars that the Spirit of Fire was dragged into the center of the Shield World. This could be because the systems of the Shield World recognized the crew as "reclaimers" and attempted to draw them to safety. Or it could be the system is designed to draw in non-flood ships.



In the Halo 4 trailer, we see that an opening is drawing in the remains of the Forward Unto Dawn. This is noticable as the opening in the planet is, well, opening up.



This all makes sense to me. Most likely Halo 4 will have a 4-Player Co-Op. Now think about it, there would be a total of 4 Spartan-IIs in the campaign then (John, Kelly, Linda, and Fred.) All of which are close friends to John. The S-IIIs could be there as troop support (but never die in gameplay.)
Player 1 (host): John
Player 2: Fred
Player 3: Kelly
Player 4: Linda


Now we see in Halo: Legends episode Origins that several years have passed since the end of Halo 3, and John is still in cryo. In First Strike we see that a "problem" occured in slipspace that sent John and Cortana back in time by a couple of weeks. It could be possible that when the slipspace portal collapse near the Ark, it sent the Foward Unto Dawn back in time by a several years. When John awakens, it could be soon after Halsey and the others arrive at the Shield World and free Team Katana.


Also this means that John gets to tell Halsey the unfortunate news of her daughter's death.




One a side note, I have a couple things I have theorized from seeing the Halo 4 trailer.


The suit John wears could be a possible armor he finds in the Forward Unto Dawn early in the campaign. It could be possible a Mark VII prototype was made and was placed on the FoD for John to try on but there was no time. The trailer was mearly showing us that he will look like that the majority of the game. It would be pointless to show us John wearing Mark VI from Halo 2/3 just for John to not wear it for the majority of the campaign.


Also the "Ancient Evil" John must face could possibly be something we haven't though of, prisoned Forerunners. What exactly would Forerunners do with their prisoners who commited various crimes? I imagine that this Shield World could hold Forerunner prisoners who committed horrible crimes. I imagine that the Foreunners don't practice the death penalty since they like their precious Mantle. Anyway I'm not supporting this Forerunner prisoner theory but it just seemed interesting and different.



I'm willing to bet 5 footnipples that there's gonna be several people who are gonna reply something like "It's NOT ONYX!" or "Onyx was destroyed!" These people clearly did not read my OP


I think you're on to something,mainly bc you basically just explained the book of Cryptum...prisoned Forerunners. You basically just combined the ending of "ghost of onyx" and "cryptum" together dude :) goodjob.

  • 06.10.2011 1:55 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Also the "Ancient Evil" John must face could possibly be something we haven't though of, prisoned Forerunners. What exactly would Forerunners do with their prisoners who commited various crimes? I imagine that this Shield World could hold Forerunner prisoners who committed horrible crimes. I imagine that the Foreunners don't practice the death penalty since they like their precious Mantle. Anyway I'm not supporting this Forerunner prisoner theory but it just seemed interesting and different.

Yeah, they sure care abut the Mantle, de-evolving species and what not. And again, why would Bias send John to a world teeming with evil Forerunners?

  • 06.10.2011 2:02 PM PDT
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"The planet is littered with blue-glowing symbols and geometric patterns - clearly Forerunner in origin. At least two of the symbols are clearly recognizable. The surface of the planet bears a certain Forerunner symbol that has appeared in wall ornamentations on all of the Halo installations, on the surface of the Ark, and on the cover of Halo: Ghosts of Onyx. There are a number of theories concerning the meaning of this symbol, some of which interpret it as the main emblem of the Forerunners, the symbol for the Halo Array and the related installations, or possibly a Shield World.

A Marathon symbol can also be observed on the surface. It is known to be a common Forerunner symbol, used in multiple Forerunner constructs, and also used to refer to a Reclaimer.[2] The Seventh Column can be seen on the Legendary Planet as well.

Speculation on just what the planet is, its purpose, and even its location are varied. Whatever the case, it is clearly inhabited by something, or was at one time, and by the Forerunner symbols it seems to have at least been occupied by the Forerunners in the past. Although its purpose and identity are obscure, the planet is an elegant story device meant to keep the series open to future game titles or novels, and leaves the opportunity for the Master Chief and Cortana to continue their adventures well into the future.
TheoriesEdit
Warning: The following information is conjecture, and not official information.
Shield WorldEdit

Given the planet's clearly-artificial appearance, it's possible that it is one of the many Shield Worlds constructed by the Forerunners as safe havens to protect them from the Flood and the activation of the Halo Array.

One theory suggests that the common Forerunner symbol seen on the surface solely represents a Shield World, relying on the fact that the cover of Ghosts of Onyx bears this symbol and the book prominently features a Forerunner Shield World, which leads to some believing that the planet is the planet that Catherine Elizabeth Halsey, Franklin Mendez, Blue Team and the remaining SPARTAN-IIIs and SPARTAN-IIs were transported to. However, the common symbol on the cover may simply reference to the fact that the story of the novel puts strong emphasis to the Forerunners. Furthermore, if the symbol only represented a Shield World, its common appearances on the Halo installations and the Ark would be unexplained. Also, all Shield Worlds seen so far are disguised as natural planets, whereas the Legendary Planet bears clear evidence of artificial Forerunner construction.
Forerunner colonyEdit

Yet another theory is that it could be an abandoned Forerunner colony or planetoid-class ship, similar to High Charity. Throughout the Halo franchise, there have been a few mentions of the Forerunner colonies prior to the discovery and subsequent war with the Flood, notably in the Halo 3 Terminals. This theory provides an alternative to the Shield World theory, as well as explaining the planetoid, the Forerunner symbols, and providing an opening for sequels; however, if the Forerunners had indeed been living on this planet-like object, they would have been killed when the Halo array was fired (unless, like the Ark, the planet is not located in the Milky Way Galaxy, placing it outside of the effective range of the Halo Array). It may also be infested with flood due to the flood infecting so many planets and that may be why it was abandoned.

Another point supporting the theory is that there appear to be cities on the surface.

Reading the Terminals, an interesting phrase appears on Legendary, that Mendicant Bias, a Forerunner AI who defected to the Gravemind and was later defeated by Offensive Bias, says directly to Chief, stating:
"Atonement.
And so here at the end of my life, I do once again betray a former master. The path ahead is fraught with peril. But I will do all I can to keep it stable - keep you safe. I'm not so foolish to think this will absolve me of my sins. One life hardly balances billions.
But I would have my masters know that I have changed.
And you shall be my example." - Mendicant Bias

The last line has caused fans to believe that Mendicant Bias had an intention of showing the Forerunners an example of his "atonement" who is the Master Chief. Knowing this many believe that the AI protected the Master Chief, and prevented a number of unseen events on the Ark and Installation 04B from affecting the Chief and his missions. Some have also theorized that he deviated the portal's course at the last moment before he was destroyed. Though no information supports this and it has been neither stated nor implied, it can be supported logically in that the Ark's Portal might have several possible entrance/exit points throughout space; the Forerunners adapted to the Flood with extensive redundancy in all systems and escape mechanisms, so it is possible that the Forerunners on the Ark established themselves at a different Portal destination, possibly one of many, and Mendicant Bias shifted to this destination when the Forward Unto Dawn was halfway through, thus severing the ship and dropping the Master Chief's half near the colony.
LocationEdit

According to Cortana in the epilogue the Forward Unto Dawn was travelling through the portal entrance as it collapsed, but that only "some of us [made it through]" - the Arbiter in the fore half. Based on this it would appear that the planet is located somewhere outside of the galaxy not far from the location of Installation 00, and made more evident by Cortana's mention of the Ark's status - heavily damaged, as opposed to "destroyed" as 343 Guilty Spark predicted."


Looks like you were right, along with me and Wazooty :) Read it in weep boys a girls :D This wouldn't be where i found it unless it were true. Most likely the enemy is the flood :O

[Edited on 06.10.2011 2:04 PM PDT]

  • 06.10.2011 2:04 PM PDT

"On the seventh day, god did not rest, but rather he created 64 player multiplayer!"

You know why it's not Onyx? Because Onyx orbits a yellow sun, and the sun in the Halo 3 Legendary ending is blue.

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  • 06.10.2011 2:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: Monitor117
-snip-


Your theory is not fact.

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You know why it's not Onyx?

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b/c it was destroyed? -.-

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Posted by: Monitor117
-snip-


Your theory is not fact.

Listen, we've been through this a thousand times, bungie always does this. They always put "theorized" or "it is thought that" bla bla bla and then it turns out that the "theory" or what it was "thought" to be or come out to be was actually the truth.

I also found somewhere else that bias MAY have downloaded himself into MC's mainframe.

  • 06.10.2011 2:11 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Monitor117

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Monitor117
-snip-


Your theory is not fact.

Listen, we've been through this a thousand times, bungie always does this. They always put "theorized" or "it is thought that" bla bla bla and then it turns out that the "theory" or what it was "thought" to be or come out to be was actually the truth.

I also found somewhere else that bias MAY have downloaded himself into MC's mainframe.

That is not how a theory works. You haven't proven anything, only speculated.

  • 06.10.2011 2:18 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Monitor117

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Monitor117
-snip-


Your theory is not fact.

Listen, we've been through this a thousand times, bungie always does this. They always put "theorized" or "it is thought that" bla bla bla and then it turns out that the "theory" or what it was "thought" to be or come out to be was actually the truth.

I also found somewhere else that bias MAY have downloaded himself into MC's mainframe.

That is not how a theory works. You haven't proven anything, only speculated.


Tell me then kind sir, where is your theory...?

  • 06.10.2011 2:28 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: VXG spartan92380

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Monitor117

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Monitor117
-snip-


Your theory is not fact.

Listen, we've been through this a thousand times, bungie always does this. They always put "theorized" or "it is thought that" bla bla bla and then it turns out that the "theory" or what it was "thought" to be or come out to be was actually the truth.

I also found somewhere else that bias MAY have downloaded himself into MC's mainframe.

That is not how a theory works. You haven't proven anything, only speculated.


Tell me then kind sir, where is your theory...?


Why do I need a theory to tell him his theory is NOT fact?

[Edited on 06.10.2011 2:30 PM PDT]

  • 06.10.2011 2:29 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Yeah, they sure care abut the Mantle, de-evolving species and what not. And again, why would Bias send John to a world teeming with evil Forerunners?


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Explain to me why Mendicant Bias, who influenced Chief's trajectory from the Ark's Slipspace Portal, would say he was going to send him to his makers to redeem himself send Chief to Onyx where no Forerunners are.


This contradicts itself...


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