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Subject: Air Support in Halo

Why do we never see any close air support from a true bomber? Even in modern times we have bombs that could level entire city blocks without nuclear munitions. I want to know why no soldier EVER called in a single airstrike in any canon material. (I don't consider a Pelican firing a chain gun as air support).

Was every single aircraft wiped out by the covenant? Even today we have aircraft that seem to surpass Covenant vehicles in speed and aerodynamic performance.

Can anyone clear this up for me? I only recall aircraft in ODST, and Fall of Reach. The drones and during the testing for Mjolnir Mk. V and the reactor part

Any definitive answers?

[Edited on 06.10.2011 7:18 PM PDT]

  • 06.10.2011 6:25 PM PDT

Cant you call air strikes in reach with that pistol thing?

  • 06.10.2011 6:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: killer panda117
Cant you call air strikes in reach with that pistol thing?


That's steel rain/rocket artillery.



OT: E3 2003's Halo 2 stage demo showed a marine calling in a longsword air strike on a plasma artillery battery, but the level was cut from the final product.

Real-life aerodynamics aside, I believe Seraph fighters permit Covenanet air superiority in almost any battle. It would be like a Mig-29 fighting an F-22 Raptor, where the F-22 is a Seraph.

  • 06.10.2011 6:32 PM PDT


Posted by: future 510

Posted by: killer panda117
Cant you call air strikes in reach with that pistol thing?


That's steel rain/rocket artillery.



OT: E3 2003's Halo 2 stage demo showed a marine calling in a longsword air strike on a plasma artillery battery, but the level was cut from the final product.

Real-life aerodynamics aside, I believe Seraph fighters permit Covenanet air superiority in almost any battle. It would be like a Mig-29 fighting an F-22 Raptor, where the F-22 is a Seraph.


I thought Seraphs weren't meant for atmospheric combat? In GoO, the only reason the Seraphs are being used is because of the 5 CCS' over the refueling station. Also, Tom was quite surprised to see them in atmosphere, which is how I came to my first conclusion.

  • 06.10.2011 6:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: zak2014

Posted by: future 510

Posted by: killer panda117
Cant you call air strikes in reach with that pistol thing?


That's steel rain/rocket artillery.



OT: E3 2003's Halo 2 stage demo showed a marine calling in a longsword air strike on a plasma artillery battery, but the level was cut from the final product.

Real-life aerodynamics aside, I believe Seraph fighters permit Covenanet air superiority in almost any battle. It would be like a Mig-29 fighting an F-22 Raptor, where the F-22 is a Seraph.


I thought Seraphs weren't meant for atmospheric combat? In GoO, the only reason the Seraphs are being used is because of the 5 CCS' over the refueling station. Also, Tom was quite surprised to see them in atmosphere, which is how I came to my first conclusion.


Regardless, Banshee's could still kick the ass of any human fighters.

  • 06.10.2011 6:53 PM PDT

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Well there was that airstrike in First Strike that leveled Covenant forces as well as UNSC forces in an effort to guard the generator complex...

[Edited on 06.10.2011 6:58 PM PDT]

  • 06.10.2011 6:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: future 510

Posted by: zak2014

Posted by: future 510

Posted by: killer panda117
Cant you call air strikes in reach with that pistol thing?


That's steel rain/rocket artillery.



OT: E3 2003's Halo 2 stage demo showed a marine calling in a longsword air strike on a plasma artillery battery, but the level was cut from the final product.

Real-life aerodynamics aside, I believe Seraph fighters permit Covenanet air superiority in almost any battle. It would be like a Mig-29 fighting an F-22 Raptor, where the F-22 is a Seraph.


I thought Seraphs weren't meant for atmospheric combat? In GoO, the only reason the Seraphs are being used is because of the 5 CCS' over the refueling station. Also, Tom was quite surprised to see them in atmosphere, which is how I came to my first conclusion.


Regardless, Banshee's could still kick the ass of any human fighters.

That must be canon banshees, and not the ones from in-game, because a modern fighter would kick the in-game banshee where the sun don't shine.

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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.


Posted by: future 510

Posted by: zak2014

Posted by: future 510

Posted by: killer panda117
Cant you call air strikes in reach with that pistol thing?


That's steel rain/rocket artillery.



OT: E3 2003's Halo 2 stage demo showed a marine calling in a longsword air strike on a plasma artillery battery, but the level was cut from the final product.

Real-life aerodynamics aside, I believe Seraph fighters permit Covenanet air superiority in almost any battle. It would be like a Mig-29 fighting an F-22 Raptor, where the F-22 is a Seraph.


I thought Seraphs weren't meant for atmospheric combat? In GoO, the only reason the Seraphs are being used is because of the 5 CCS' over the refueling station. Also, Tom was quite surprised to see them in atmosphere, which is how I came to my first conclusion.


Regardless, Banshee's could still kick the ass of any human fighters.

Sabres would even it out but there all prototypes, so this is the unfortunate conlusion we must come to. Humanity's fighter planes spent more time in the ground instead of a above it.

  • 06.10.2011 6:57 PM PDT
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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.


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Posted by: future 510

Posted by: zak2014

Posted by: future 510

Posted by: killer panda117
Cant you call air strikes in reach with that pistol thing?


That's steel rain/rocket artillery.



OT: E3 2003's Halo 2 stage demo showed a marine calling in a longsword air strike on a plasma artillery battery, but the level was cut from the final product.

Real-life aerodynamics aside, I believe Seraph fighters permit Covenanet air superiority in almost any battle. It would be like a Mig-29 fighting an F-22 Raptor, where the F-22 is a Seraph.


I thought Seraphs weren't meant for atmospheric combat? In GoO, the only reason the Seraphs are being used is because of the 5 CCS' over the refueling station. Also, Tom was quite surprised to see them in atmosphere, which is how I came to my first conclusion.


Regardless, Banshee's could still kick the ass of any human fighters.

That must be canon banshees, and not the ones from in-game, because a modern fighter would kick the in-game banshee where the sun don't shine.

I heard the reason that the in game Banshee is so slow is partially for gameplay reasons, partially because its a ground support version and not an air-to-air combat version and partially because of the Spartan's increased reflex's and reaction time make it seem slower.

  • 06.10.2011 6:59 PM PDT


Posted by: future 510

Posted by: zak2014

Posted by: future 510

Posted by: killer panda117
Cant you call air strikes in reach with that pistol thing?


That's steel rain/rocket artillery.



OT: E3 2003's Halo 2 stage demo showed a marine calling in a longsword air strike on a plasma artillery battery, but the level was cut from the final product.

Real-life aerodynamics aside, I believe Seraph fighters permit Covenanet air superiority in almost any battle. It would be like a Mig-29 fighting an F-22 Raptor, where the F-22 is a Seraph.


I thought Seraphs weren't meant for atmospheric combat? In GoO, the only reason the Seraphs are being used is because of the 5 CCS' over the refueling station. Also, Tom was quite surprised to see them in atmosphere, which is how I came to my first conclusion.


Regardless, Banshee's could still kick the ass of any human fighters.


Do you have any proof of that? An AIM-54 of today can engage targets at ranges of over 100 miles. I've only seen a Banshee go somewhere around 200km/h, so I assume a Mach 4 missile could hit it before it saw it. And don't say it wouldn't affect it, it is a 6,000lb missile, packed with fuel and explosives.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-120_AMRAAM

  • 06.10.2011 7:01 PM PDT
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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.


Posted by: zak2014

Posted by: future 510

Posted by: zak2014

Posted by: future 510

Posted by: killer panda117
Cant you call air strikes in reach with that pistol thing?


That's steel rain/rocket artillery.



OT: E3 2003's Halo 2 stage demo showed a marine calling in a longsword air strike on a plasma artillery battery, but the level was cut from the final product.

Real-life aerodynamics aside, I believe Seraph fighters permit Covenanet air superiority in almost any battle. It would be like a Mig-29 fighting an F-22 Raptor, where the F-22 is a Seraph.


I thought Seraphs weren't meant for atmospheric combat? In GoO, the only reason the Seraphs are being used is because of the 5 CCS' over the refueling station. Also, Tom was quite surprised to see them in atmosphere, which is how I came to my first conclusion.


Regardless, Banshee's could still kick the ass of any human fighters.


Do you have any proof of that? An AIM-54 of today can engage targets at ranges of over 100 miles. I've only seen a Banshee go somewhere around 200km/h, so I assume a Mach 4 missile could hit it before it saw it. And don't say it wouldn't affect it, it is a 6,000lb missile, packed with fuel and explosives.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-120_AMRAAM

He speaks of the cannon air-to-air version of the Banshee, not the air-to-ground Banshee we see in the games, which has been toned down even further to allow for smoother gameplay.

  • 06.10.2011 7:06 PM PDT

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Banshees are close support ground attack craft. They are not fighter jets. A more fitting comparison would be an A-10 warthog or a Helicopter gunship of some sort.


Also... Short Sword bomber

They have fighter drones too...

  • 06.10.2011 7:07 PM PDT


Posted by: Makko Mace
Banshees are close support ground attack craft. They are not fighter jets. A more fitting comparison would be an A-10 warthog or a Helicopter gunship of some sort.


Also... Short Sword bomber

They have fighter drones too...


I know they have fighter drones and the Shortsword. And I never compared anything to a Banshee until after someone else did.

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Does anyone know any specs for the Air to Air Banshee?

  • 06.10.2011 7:12 PM PDT

Bungie probably just didn't get around to developing the UNSC air force that much.

  • 06.10.2011 7:15 PM PDT

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You realize that all the Marines killed at the ground side reactors in The Fall of Reach were killed by a friendly airstrike right?

  • 06.10.2011 7:16 PM PDT

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Banshees in real life are probably more like this Look at 3;15

  • 06.10.2011 7:17 PM PDT

^^^^^^^^^^^
An F-22, F-16, Eurofighter Typhoon are all faster than that and appear to carry a much powerful munition......

Posted by: Makko Mace
You realize that all the Marines killed at the ground side reactors in The Fall of Reach were killed by a friendly airstrike right?


If you had read the OP, you would've seen that I referenced both the F-99's in ODST and TFoR.

[Edited on 06.10.2011 7:19 PM PDT]

  • 06.10.2011 7:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: zak2014
I want to know why no soldier EVER called in a single airstrike in any canon material. (I don't consider a Pelican firing a chain gun as air support).


Sorry, what?

  • 06.10.2011 7:20 PM PDT


Posted by: Makko Mace
Posted by: zak2014
I want to know why no soldier EVER called in a single airstrike in any canon material. (I don't consider a Pelican firing a chain gun as air support).


Sorry, what?


What confuses you? canon?

  • 06.10.2011 7:22 PM PDT

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I heard the reason that the in game Banshee is so slow is partially for gameplay reasons, partially because its a ground support version and not an air-to-air combat version and partially because of the Spartan's increased reflex's and reaction time make it seem slower.


That just blew my mind. It's like: what if we've been playing in slow-motion the entire time that we've been playing as SPARTANs? Imagine how fast the action would be in the eyes of a regular marine?

  • 06.10.2011 7:23 PM PDT

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Also... I'm pretty sure that a Seraph would wipe the floor with any "modern" fighter craft.

Besides, we haven't really heard what Banshees weapons are capable of outside of gameplay. In one of the books a banshees normal plasma cannon hits a few feet in front of a warthog, and it is remarked that were it not for the water the tires would have melted completely.

We couldn't have somthing akin to modern ground attack plane in a halo game for the sake of gameplay.

  • 06.10.2011 7:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: zak2014

Posted by: Makko Mace
Posted by: zak2014
I want to know why no soldier EVER called in a single airstrike in any canon material. (I don't consider a Pelican firing a chain gun as air support).


Sorry, what?


What confuses you? canon?


No, just that you now said that you knew about the requested air strike that killed a lot of UNSC troops, completely refuting your previous statement that there were no requested airstrikes ever.

[Edited on 06.10.2011 7:25 PM PDT]

  • 06.10.2011 7:24 PM PDT
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What ever happened to AC130s? If they had those, the Covenant would suck.
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  • 06.10.2011 7:26 PM PDT


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Posted by: zak2014
I want to know why no soldier EVER called in a single airstrike in any canon material. (I don't consider a Pelican firing a chain gun as air support).


Sorry, what?


What confuses you? canon?


No, just that you now said that you knew about the requested air strike that killed a lot of UNSC troops


Oh, right, I kinda failed there, but it would be nice to see an airstrike in a game as well, but all you see in TFoR is the aftermath of the airstrike.

  • 06.10.2011 7:26 PM PDT

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