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Subject: who thinks elites are weaker than spartans

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Posted by: Ins3ktz
Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Ins3ktz
Elites are more powerful in the books.

That and the fact that they can one hand Rocket Launchers...

The Jackhammer only weighs 15kg... And it is also gameplay.

What examples do you have to support you first sentence?

And in the books, it's clear from the line in "The Fall Of Reach" that Elites (Even Minors) were at least as strong as Spartans.

That does not support what you said. You said:

"Elites are more powerful in the books."

Elites being at least as strong as Spartans does not mean anything for what you originally said. They are equal, but suddenly that means one is definitely stronger than the other... -_-

  • 06.11.2011 3:52 PM PDT
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elites are actually stronger because they're the ones who took over reach.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Ins3ktz

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Posted by: Lord Slade
Posted by: Makko Mace
No. Please state a source of cannon that negates this.

Elites are capable of running faster than Spartans. That excerpt implied otherwise, invalidating it.


Where if ever, is that stated?


Well if you look at any Halo game in existence that featured Brutes, the Brutes are always 20 time sslower than Elites. Bungie even said that Elites were supposed to be more agile.


Yeah... berserking brutes.

That's all I have to say about that. Oh, and halo 2 brutes took many melees to get killed :P. Halo 2 had the best gameplay showing of how tough brutes are.


Posted by: Ins3ktz
And it's pretty much extremely well known that the Chieftain would get fried.


Hand to hand no weapons? The chieftain would own the other two.

With weapons? The zealot has a chance.


It is incredible that you have completely ignored pages of facts, evidence, and information pointing to Spartan's being superior to both Brute's and Elite's in hand to hand combat. You have clearly been defeated in the other thread, yet you continue to post in this one, spewing your bull@#$% statements pulled directly out of your ass, which I have effectively countered in the other thread time after time after time. Stop annoying us.

  • 06.11.2011 5:35 PM PDT
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The Elite that was as strong as John was a freak Elites are not 10ft tall like the elite thst john fought. A more fair comparison would be using Sam against said elite.

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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.

In cannon the Elites are weaker.

  • 06.11.2011 6:13 PM PDT



It is incredible that you have completely ignored pages of facts, evidence, and information pointing to Spartan's being superior to both Brute's and Elite's in hand to hand combat. You have clearly been defeated in the other thread, yet you continue to post in this one, spewing your bull@#$% statements pulled directly out of your ass, which I have effectively countered in the other thread time after time after time. Stop annoying us.

I have a question. Why do you HATE him so much?

  • 06.11.2011 8:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: TheIntergalactic


It is incredible that you have completely ignored pages of facts, evidence, and information pointing to Spartan's being superior to both Brute's and Elite's in hand to hand combat. You have clearly been defeated in the other thread, yet you continue to post in this one, spewing your bull@#$% statements pulled directly out of your ass, which I have effectively countered in the other thread time after time after time. Stop annoying us.

I have a question. Why do you HATE him so much?


Read the spartan vs elites vs brutes in hand to hand combat thread... lols will be had. Also I hope someone else appreciates the irony in his statements.

[Edited on 06.11.2011 10:50 PM PDT]

  • 06.11.2011 10:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Elites are physically stronger and faster and bigger than SPARTANS, and Brutes are all of those things a lot more than Elites.

Overall, I think it depends on the SPARTAN in question. Linda probably wouldn't be stronger than an Elite, but Jorge... well, -blam!-, look at him.

Brutes do pwn all, though. They are insane.
Though Jorge is big, i dont think he's that taller than MC cause he's a spartan lll and Chief is ll

Jorge is MUCH larger than Master Chief. The Chief is closer to Carter's and Six's size, and Jorge isn't a Model III, he's a II.

  • 06.11.2011 11:20 PM PDT
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I can't find the source but jorge is 7'4 in armour whilst chief is 7'2 in armour . the reason ALL II's are bigger than the III's is because of the growth augumentation they were given . Carter and six are around 6'7 in armour.

  • 06.12.2011 4:32 AM PDT

Posted by: strugz94
I can't find the source but jorge is 7'4 in armour whilst chief is 7'2 in armour . the reason ALL II's are bigger than the III's is because of the growth augumentation they were given . Carter and six are around 6'7 in armour.


Wrong. Carter is 6 feet 10 inches unarmored. Six is around 7 foot 1.

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Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: TheIntergalactic


It is incredible that you have completely ignored pages of facts, evidence, and information pointing to Spartan's being superior to both Brute's and Elite's in hand to hand combat. You have clearly been defeated in the other thread, yet you continue to post in this one, spewing your bull@#$% statements pulled directly out of your ass, which I have effectively countered in the other thread time after time after time. Stop annoying us.

I have a question. Why do you HATE him so much?


Read the spartan vs elites vs brutes in hand to hand combat thread... lols will be had. Also I hope someone else appreciates the irony in his statements.


Yes, please read that thread. Maybe then you will see why I dislike him.

And Makko, I love how you even stated in your own words that you admitted defeat in our debate, yet you still say how my statements have irony in them? How can you say my statements contain irony, yet previously, you have FAILED to counter ANY of my statements, and even admitted to give up on the argument?

Talk about irony.

  • 06.12.2011 11:03 AM PDT

I DO have time to bleed...i just dont want to.

think about it tho spartans are full of augmentations and steroids and have power armour on most of the time and elites are unalterd so imagine how doomed humanity would be if spartans were never invented

  • 06.12.2011 12:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: strugz94
I can't find the source but jorge is 7'4 in armour whilst chief is 7'2 in armour . the reason ALL II's are bigger than the III's is because of the growth augumentation they were given . Carter and six are around 6'7 in armour.


Wrong. Carter is 6 feet 10 inches unarmored. Six is around 7 foot 1.


John is 6 feet 11 inches unarmored, so it's not that big of a difference.

  • 06.12.2011 12:29 PM PDT

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They are both at a fairly equal degree of strength (provided the SPARTAN is in armor); height does not really act as an independent variable.

I think the reason a SPARTAN usually wins in a hand-to-hand fight with an Elite is due to their enhanced reaction time due to the augmentation. The SPARTAN has enhanced reflexes that supposedly aren't even traceable by a computer.

I don't really believe the Sangheili would have that kind of speed naturally; and I also wouldn't assume they'd be genetically augmented considering they're so naturally strong that there's no need. And I also wouldn't really expect their combat harnesses to give them the same type of "boost" that MJOLNIR Mk. VI would; it's probably not meant to drastically increase strength or reaction time.

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Posted by: Jonzx5

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: TheIntergalactic


It is incredible that you have completely ignored pages of facts, evidence, and information pointing to Spartan's being superior to both Brute's and Elite's in hand to hand combat. You have clearly been defeated in the other thread, yet you continue to post in this one, spewing your bull@#$% statements pulled directly out of your ass, which I have effectively countered in the other thread time after time after time. Stop annoying us.

I have a question. Why do you HATE him so much?


Read the spartan vs elites vs brutes in hand to hand combat thread... lols will be had. Also I hope someone else appreciates the irony in his statements.


Yes, please read that thread. Maybe then you will see why I dislike him.

And Makko, I love how you even stated in your own words that you admitted defeat in our debate, yet you still say how my statements have irony in them? How can you say my statements contain irony, yet previously, you have FAILED to counter ANY of my statements, and even admitted to give up on the argument?

Talk about irony.


I'm pretty sure that I cited a cannon source saying Brutes are a fast as Spartans, and you raged for several pages how fast Spartans were, totally ignoring that Brutes are just as fast...

  • 06.12.2011 1:28 PM PDT


Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Jonzx5

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: TheIntergalactic


It is incredible that you have completely ignored pages of facts, evidence, and information pointing to Spartan's being superior to both Brute's and Elite's in hand to hand combat. You have clearly been defeated in the other thread, yet you continue to post in this one, spewing your bull@#$% statements pulled directly out of your ass, which I have effectively countered in the other thread time after time after time. Stop annoying us.

I have a question. Why do you HATE him so much?


Read the spartan vs elites vs brutes in hand to hand combat thread... lols will be had. Also I hope someone else appreciates the irony in his statements.


Yes, please read that thread. Maybe then you will see why I dislike him.

And Makko, I love how you even stated in your own words that you admitted defeat in our debate, yet you still say how my statements have irony in them? How can you say my statements contain irony, yet previously, you have FAILED to counter ANY of my statements, and even admitted to give up on the argument?

Talk about irony.


I'm pretty sure that I cited a cannon source saying Brutes are a fast as Spartans, and you raged for several pages how fast Spartans were, totally ignoring that Brutes are just as fast...


Yep, he claims to have "refuted" it, but if we try bringing in many of his comments about the speed are only mentioned in single instances and not repeatedly, he screams at us for ignoring canon.

  • 06.12.2011 1:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Jonzx5

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: TheIntergalactic


It is incredible that you have completely ignored pages of facts, evidence, and information pointing to Spartan's being superior to both Brute's and Elite's in hand to hand combat. You have clearly been defeated in the other thread, yet you continue to post in this one, spewing your bull@#$% statements pulled directly out of your ass, which I have effectively countered in the other thread time after time after time. Stop annoying us.

I have a question. Why do you HATE him so much?


Read the spartan vs elites vs brutes in hand to hand combat thread... lols will be had. Also I hope someone else appreciates the irony in his statements.


Yes, please read that thread. Maybe then you will see why I dislike him.

And Makko, I love how you even stated in your own words that you admitted defeat in our debate, yet you still say how my statements have irony in them? How can you say my statements contain irony, yet previously, you have FAILED to counter ANY of my statements, and even admitted to give up on the argument?

Talk about irony.


I'm pretty sure that I cited a cannon source saying Brutes are a fast as Spartans, and you raged for several pages how fast Spartans were, totally ignoring that Brutes are just as fast...


Yep, he claims to have "refuted" it, but if we try bringing in many of his comments about the speed are only mentioned in single instances and not repeatedly, he screams at us for ignoring canon.


Not to mention that Brutes' armor doesn't boost their attributes and so, even without equipment they are superior, unlike the Elites and Spartans.

  • 06.12.2011 1:40 PM PDT

"The alien was as strong as the Master Chief"
Fall of Reach, page 353.

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Deva Path


Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I believe frankie stated in a halo 2 era vidoc that spartan II were equal to an elite major.

  • 06.12.2011 1:50 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Not to mention that Brutes' armor doesn't boost their attributes and so, even without equipment they are superior, unlike the Elites and Spartans.


Hmm, I don't think it's ever been talked about has it?

Then again, if it did enhance their speed/strength... an unarmored one was at least as fast as John, and far stronger...

  • 06.12.2011 1:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Not to mention that Brutes' armor doesn't boost their attributes and so, even without equipment they are superior, unlike the Elites and Spartans.


Hmm, I don't think it's ever been talked about has it?

Then again, if it did enhance their speed/strength... an unarmored one was at least as fast as John, and far stronger...


Unlike the MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor worn by the SPARTANs, Jiralhanae power armor does not augment the wearer's strength.

It makes sense that it doesn't given how they are just plates of metal strapped to their clothes unlike the MJOLNIR armor that is pretty much a walking computer due to all it's components.

  • 06.12.2011 2:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Not to mention that Brutes' armor doesn't boost their attributes and so, even without equipment they are superior, unlike the Elites and Spartans.

Hmm, I don't think it's ever been talked about has it?

Then again, if it did enhance their speed/strength... an unarmored one was at least as fast as John, and far stronger...

It is explicitly stated in the Encyclopaedia that it does not enhance them like Spartan/Elites. I also don't remember it being mentioned anywhere else, so the Encyclopaedia has backing here. (Because it is not entirely trustworthy at times). In addition to this, the armour weighs almost 500kg/1000lbs, and yet Brutes are still able to retain impressive speed, strength and stamina.

Edit: He beat me. :P ^

[Edited on 06.12.2011 2:07 PM PDT]

  • 06.12.2011 2:06 PM PDT

Ah, don't have that book so I didn't know that. Thanks for the information :P.

  • 06.12.2011 2:38 PM PDT


Posted by: Lord Slade
Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
Edit: the only strength problem is the fact Forge is able to tackle and hold down the Arbiters arm, which seems odd because there is no way in hell he could hold down the arm of an armoured Spartan.

Plot shields can let characters do amazing things.

Posted by: anton1792
The armour makes no difference, Elites get the same benefits from it as Spartans do. (Other than Biofoam and AI housing) Taking it away solves nothing really.

8'6 is from the Halo CE instruction manual, not the Bestiarium. Coincidently enough Halopedia have also sourced that incorrectly...

Halopedia is so beaaaaaaad. You're right though, I checked the CE manual and it says 8'6" on page 11, but Thel 'Vadam was considered tall for his kind and he's only 7'10", so that was retconned pretty early on.

As for the armor, the kind worn by Elite warriors doesn't have a reactive force-amplifying layer like MJOLNIR does. It's just a skinsuit for the bottom layer and armored plates plus the shielding and camouflage mechanisms attached to that. Is there a canon source that says their armor enhances them?


Xytan 'Jar Wattinree was 11.6", I dont know where it is said that Thel 'Vadam is considered tall for his race, but there's a taller guy out there.

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