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Subject: who thinks elites are weaker than spartans


Posted by: SSgt Shapiro
They are both at a fairly equal degree of strength (provided the SPARTAN is in armor); height does not really act as an independent variable.

I think the reason a SPARTAN usually wins in a hand-to-hand fight with an Elite is due to their enhanced reaction time due to the augmentation. The SPARTAN has enhanced reflexes that supposedly aren't even traceable by a computer.

I don't really believe the Sangheili would have that kind of speed naturally; and I also wouldn't assume they'd be genetically augmented considering they're so naturally strong that there's no need. And I also wouldn't really expect their combat harnesses to give them the same type of "boost" that MJOLNIR Mk. VI would; it's probably not meant to drastically increase strength or reaction time.


^This. Speaking of RAW strenght though (like the weights each can lift) I think it would goes like this: Brutes then Spartan/Elites (I also remember reading a long time ago that major elites are equal with Spartans). In hand to hand combat it would depend on which is which, but Spartan with the aformentionned reflexes have a good advantage.

  • 06.12.2011 4:53 PM PDT

haha oh no not this again. Anton want to debate on this thread instead?

  • 06.12.2011 5:04 PM PDT


Posted by: EchoGamer

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Elites are physically stronger and faster and bigger than SPARTANS, and Brutes are all of those things a lot more than Elites.

Overall, I think it depends on the SPARTAN in question. Linda probably wouldn't be stronger than an Elite, but Jorge... well, -blam!-, look at him.

Brutes do pwn all, though. They are insane.

Brutes may be big and strong, but they are still too much like dumb animals. They are not the smartest group. Plus, elites are quicker and more agile.(my opinion) Brutes would get killed by elites, elites would be killed by SIIIs, SIIIs would get murdered by SIIs. Marines are at the bottom. ODSTs would kill a good amount of brutes (Halo 3: ODST) and would kill some elites (depending on the elite's rank).

  • 06.12.2011 5:06 PM PDT


Xytan 'Jar Wattinree was 11.6", I dont know where it is said that Thel 'Vadam is considered tall for his race, but there's a taller guy out there.

Guys this is what I mean about the books being a bit dodgey at times. I love the idea of an Elite being that tall but I know that just ain't the case. Yes he might have been talk but that's just ridculous, same as the Brute situation.

  • 06.12.2011 5:07 PM PDT


Posted by: jvc8996

Posted by: EchoGamer

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Elites are physically stronger and faster and bigger than SPARTANS, and Brutes are all of those things a lot more than Elites.

Overall, I think it depends on the SPARTAN in question. Linda probably wouldn't be stronger than an Elite, but Jorge... well, -blam!-, look at him.

Brutes do pwn all, though. They are insane.

Brutes may be big and strong, but they are still too much like dumb animals. They are not the smartest group. Plus, elites are quicker and more agile.(my opinion) Brutes would get killed by elites, elites would be killed by SIIIs, SIIIs would get murdered by SIIs. Marines are at the bottom. ODSTs would kill a good amount of brutes (Halo 3: ODST) and would kill some elites (depending on the elite's rank).


Brutes are not as mentally slow as they may appear, and are often fairly cunning tacticians. As such they can pilot vehicles & ships and command both land based & fleet encounters with strategic competence, albeit lacking in artistic flair.

Brutes are not dumb apes.

  • 06.12.2011 6:11 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: Alfdog
haha oh no not this again. Anton want to debate on this thread instead?

I don't really want to get sucked into another one of these huge debates to be truthfully honest. I see Spartans/Elites as equals on average and relying heavily on external factors for either one to win, but Brutes generally being physically superior to both. That is the way I have interpreted canon thus far.

  • 06.12.2011 6:32 PM PDT

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: strugz94
I can't find the source but jorge is 7'4 in armour whilst chief is 7'2 in armour . the reason ALL II's are bigger than the III's is because of the growth augumentation they were given . Carter and six are around 6'7 in armour.


Wrong. Carter is 6 feet 10 inches unarmored. Six is around 7 foot 1.


John is 6 feet 11 inches unarmored, so it's not that big of a difference.


My point exactly. =P

  • 06.12.2011 9:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Alfdog
haha oh no not this again. Anton want to debate on this thread instead?

I don't really want to get sucked into another one of these huge debates to be truthfully honest. I see Spartans/Elites as equals on average and relying heavily on external factors for either one to win, but Brutes generally being physically superior to both. That is the way I have interpreted canon thus far.


Could not have said it better.

  • 06.12.2011 10:13 PM PDT


Posted by: Ryle Cytarai
Spartans wear power armor, bro.

So do Elites. All they could do without it is Ninja Kick.

  • 06.12.2011 10:15 PM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Elites are physically stronger and faster and bigger than SPARTANS, and Brutes are all of those things a lot more than Elites.

brutes are just freak'in stupid though :P

  • 06.13.2011 12:37 AM PDT

Posted by: internet cable

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Elites are physically stronger and faster and bigger than SPARTANS, and Brutes are all of those things a lot more than Elites.

brutes are just freak'in stupid though :P


No, they are quite intelligent to be frank.

  • 06.13.2011 12:56 AM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Alfdog
haha oh no not this again. Anton want to debate on this thread instead?

I don't really want to get sucked into another one of these huge debates to be truthfully honest. I see Spartans/Elites as equals on average and relying heavily on external factors for either one to win, but Brutes generally being physically superior to both. That is the way I have interpreted canon thus far.


Don't worry mate I was joking. I know where you stand and you know where I stand and I think we both have good evidence for both of our opinons. Maybe it's just down to how the indivdual interprets the books and games.

  • 06.13.2011 7:10 AM PDT
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  • 06.13.2011 9:39 AM PDT