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Subject: Halo 2 should not be marketed for VISTA
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Obviously haven't read the thread, have you?

  • 03.26.2006 9:23 AM PDT
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uh, no. I do believe XP and 2000 were not DOS. Even if they were, you can emulate a dos environment, which means it can be backwards compatable. They don't have to be coded for vista, vista interprets what a program does, not the other way around. There are features in vista that programs can take advantage of, but vista should be able to do everything XP could do, better.

  • 03.26.2006 12:16 PM PDT
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uh, no. I do believe XP and 2000 were not DOS. Even if they were, you can emulate a dos environment, which means it can be backwards compatable...They're not. And you don't even need to emulate. All you need is an OS that is capable of reading multiple code types.

Think about what you're saying this way: If Vista is what you describe it to be, then no program built to run on an OS system before it can run ON it. Thats not just games. thats your H&R Block/TurboTax program. Thats your media players, your web browsers, your Spyware and Anti-Virus.

Now, would M$ like you to purchase a bunch of stuff from a select few companies that they recieve kickbacks from on proprietary software compatibilty? Certainly. But if they do that Windows loses its hold on the market. Why? Because Vista suddenly becomes this Anit-Windows you decribe (an OS that cannot run most if not all the programs you will ever need with a UI you're farmiliar with.). If Vista shut the door on backwards compatible, none of the programs you own today would work tomorow if you bought it. people tend to take a step back when someone starts giving them that kind of balogna and call it steak, say things like 'Waiit a sec. if none of my old stuff will work with Vista, then i'm not paying 300$ for it...i'm paying several TOUSAND!"

While they may pay that anyway (eventually) expecting them to cough up that kind of money for programs to run on your OS at time of instalation is like asking people to buy the car and all the gas it will ever need, but still stop at the service station on a regular basis to buy soda and chips.

Another way to put it: few (if any) software companies have software on the market at the moment that is designed to run on WinVista. But Beta testers have had it since it was Longhorn and DX10, last I heard, was part of the test. They've been running programs for a long time with the new S-NTFS file mangers; installing new software into this non-DOS code. If Vista spat everything "not Vista approved" back up like a baby in carseat with bad shocks on a bumpy road, don't you think they'd be flooding the forums to tell us?

You've got yur propaganda backwards. Nothing that was written to run on XP will work on 2000 (unless you fiddle with it like mad). By proxy, and to make money, nothing that will be written to work on Vista will work on XP.
But if it was made to work on XP (and 2000, since its theirs not much difference) then it darn well better work on Vista.

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  • 03.26.2006 1:32 PM PDT
Subject: Halo 2 should be marketed for VISTA
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WTF?

I only read part of this thread but wtf? seriously wtf? Vista will be backwards compatible. Who thought up that piece of crap about Vista not being compatible?!? A few seconds later:
Posted by: OmniosSpartan
Posted by: TMH1988
Its DX10.....thats why we need to upgrade.

lets not forget that:
Vista wont be backward compatible with other windows programs.
it'll be buggy, and outdated when it comes out.
no games support Vista.
nor do any support DX10, look at project offset its running on windows XP pro, with a 7800GTX, and is on DX9, and the game is drop dead gorgeous.
forcing consumers to upgrade because they wont support XP anymore.

There you are you little idiot! Right now my XP can run games all the way back to a CD that still supported 3.1. You might be asking "What does that mean?", here is what it means. It means that 15 years later, games can run on today's PCs. Yes, some may be buggy because they address things that aren't supported anymore, but other programs still run as if they were new.

"Vista will be buggy and outdated" Buggy and outdated? How can something new be outdated at the same time? Its like saying that a new tree is old and moldy. ANYTHING can be buggy. Everything has bugs. There is not a single thing that does not have a bug.

Vista WILL support games. It will aslo support programs and music and pictures. I swear, some people are so stupid and pig-headed that their lack of intelligence blinds their ability to see the truth.

I which I was a mod so I can lock these kinds of crappy threads.

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  • 03.26.2006 3:15 PM PDT
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I dropped by a friend of mine's yesterday who's dad is on the Microsoft Beta program. Let me just say now that Vista will blow you away, i doubt that any of the complainers have seen it. With the rumoured integration of OpenGL into future versions of flash and the ability of windows to use the 3d graphics cards, it would be possible for someone with little to no skill in 3d design to create interactive 3d desktops. Think about it, no more hitting start and scrolling through a list of programs to get what you want, you could just make a giant sphere filled with hyperlinks and navigate around that to find the program you want. You could theoretically play any 3d game in your desktop. The possibilities in Vista are truly endless. Everything's integrated. Say goodbye to the word "online", everything will be "Live", we're already seeing it now with "MSN messenger Live" and "Hotmail Live". I think it will be totally Ace. It also allows for massive updates on networking technologies, especially wireless, which xp can't handle all that well. And with the advent of 802.11n (a draft wireless specification said to run at 600Mb/s), we could be seeing entire homes running on a wireless network, based on small home servers.

I'm moist just thinking about it.

  • 03.26.2006 4:15 PM PDT
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Come on guys. Microsoft not expecting you to go out and go "Hey, H2PC is out! But I have to buy Vista to play it! I guess I'll spend a few hundred bucks just to play H2 on my computer!"

No, chances are everybody is going to switch their OS to Vista eventually. It doesn't matter how much you're going to complain about having to spend several hundred dollars just to play H2PC, you're going to go Vista anyways.

  • 03.26.2006 4:30 PM PDT
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Anywhoo, in 2 years you probably will NEED to have Vista because the world does not wait for people who complain. The future is tommorow and you people want to stay in the past. I will be getting the public beta when it comes out. Alot of you are afraid of the future and can not see through the fog of the unknown.

Oh ya, i saw one screen shot of the ui, and it was black. sweet was all i could think of.

  • 03.26.2006 4:52 PM PDT
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I'VE GOT A GREAT IDEA!!!!.......

Why not make the H2PC Game for Vista that takes dx10 along with a dx9 less visual and gameplay for XP Service Pack 2???? the H2PC for xp doesn't need dx10......have you ever seen the game "Fear"???? some of the best graphics i've seen...there is no need in having to update to a new OS when H2PC Vista i think is going to be near or maybe even less the level that "Fear" was......

MY WHOLE POINT IS (not trying to nag on anyone but,) YOU SHOULD MAKE A H2PC FOR BOTH XP AND VISTA!!!

  • 03.27.2006 9:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: Boo_Diddly
Everything has bugs. There is not a single thing that does not have a bug.


oh yes there is! i can name one program that has no bugs!!!!!!

lets see... pull out my qbasic help file

ah yes. lets see.


PRINT "This program has no bugs."


HA! that has no bugs.

aaaand c++ (borland (i think 3.1) for you picky people out there)

#include<iostream.h>
#include<conio.h>
#include<dos.h>
main()
{
return(0)
}

wohoo! this program does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!
but its bugless ;)



ok, so ive kind of ignored your point. but i agree. lots of programs have bugs. nearly all programs have bugs. and for vista to be outdated as soon as it comes out...

i have three letters for that.

L.O.L.

ridiculous.

as for this being a marketing strat to sell vista. whats sad is itll probably work. and ill contribute to it. under certain circumstances.

and vista will pwn xp. youll see.


btw, XP and 2000 are windows NT. ever wonder why they stopped the NT line? they didnt. 2000 and XP are NT. DOS is dead. long dead. 2000 and XP emulate dos functions because they cant be run natively. which is why you get some errors in older games and programs.

annnnnyway. im done.

  • 03.27.2006 11:17 PM PDT
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Hmm...To whoever compared a free OS to free gasoline somewhere back there , have you ever heard of GNU/Linux?

  • 03.28.2006 1:57 AM PDT
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I AGREE...They should have made it for XP. Its just a stu pid way of promoting their new OS. Its BS. I don't think it will make it sell any better than it would have anyway.

  • 03.28.2006 7:57 AM PDT
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It's going to be for Vista and Vista only. That's the official word, so stop complaining. You think you're gonna "fight the power" on this one? Get out of your mother's basement, get some fresh air, and slap yourself in the face. Every few years, you just have to upgrade. Don't like it? Don't buy Vista or H2 PC.

  • 03.28.2006 11:37 AM PDT

Let there be CHAOS!

i'm not sure what to think at this point, but i know that i'm getting a new computer some time soon anyways, so i'm going to get one when vista comes out (and is standard in all new computers...most anyway). as for compatibility... i really hope you are wrong whoever said xp programs wont work well with vista. i dont want to have to upgrade every program i have right now, that would be insanely time consuming and possibly cost me alot of money. however, i know microsoft, and i know that they will come up with some way to overcome compatibility issues. has microsoft ever let you down? ...ok ok it has. but dont worry guys, microsoft's got it covered... we (and our old programs) will be fine.

btw, vista sure as HELL better run halo pc and custom edition....

thank God i have more than one comptuer, so if anything, i can run vista on my new computer and keep xp on my older ones heh.

EDIT: i just thought of something else, maybe vista will come with an integrated version of virtual pc so we can run xp inside of vista......hmmm

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  • 03.28.2006 12:01 PM PDT
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Hey, i just want to say:

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE! STOP B****ING AND LIVE WITH IT! WE DON'T KNOW WHAT VISTA IS GOING TO BE LIKE OR HOW MUCH IT WILL COST! MAYBE IT'LL COST 60 BUCKS OR MAYBE IT'LL COST 600 WHO THE H*** KNOWS-THAT'S RIGHT, NO ONE! JUST FREAKING WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 03.28.2006 2:14 PM PDT
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AAAAAANDDDD! AS FOR THE WHOLE BUNGIE/MICROSOFT MARKETING CONSPIRACY...... SHUT THE F*** UP! FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, VISTA IS SUPPOSED TO BE HIGH-END, AND WHY WOULD BUNGIE WANT TO PUT THEIR GAME ON AN OUTDATED OS(mac *cough* *cough*) IT'S JUST COMMON SENSE, THEY WANT TO MAKE THE GAME KICK A** BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO PUT IT ON A CRUDDY OLD OS SO STOP B****ING ABOUT IT AND WAIT TILL YOU AT least HAVE THE FACTS!!!!!!!!

  • 03.28.2006 2:18 PM PDT
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srry for the caps, but it does get your attention (i never use it unless i have to)


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  • 03.28.2006 2:19 PM PDT
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I just skip all caps posts. Doesn't get my attention.

  • 03.28.2006 2:44 PM PDT

Let there be CHAOS!

first of all....damn man, triple post? second of all, take a few deep breathes and just calm down. third of all, we're posting our opinions, that's what you do in a forum. so dont tell us what we can and cant -blam!- about.

  • 03.28.2006 3:26 PM PDT
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srry for the caps, but it does get your attention (i never use it unless i have to)
I just skip all caps posts. Doesn't get my attention.
Doesn't get my attention either. In fact I'd give it more attention if it was not in caps. Especially with proper spelling and correct use of punctuation.

Also, you didn't have to use caps in the first place. If you make sentence after sentence capitalized, no one will like it. It's okay if you want to exclaim something and say "LOL I SHOT HIM IN THE HEAD!" but if you keep talking in caps you will look like a retard.

So it's okay to cap in my opinion, but not that often. It makes you sound like you're a screaming imbecile. Having said that...

PEOPLE, IT DOES NOT MATTER IF H2PC ON VISTA IS A MARKETING PLOY OR IF VISTA WILL BE A BETTER OS TO USE FOR H2PC THAN XP! CHANCES ARE THAT YOU'RE ALL GOING TO EVENTUALLY MAKE THE TRANSITION TO VISTA ANYWAYS!

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  • 03.28.2006 7:08 PM PDT
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OK THIS IS THE FINAL POST!

when it comes down to it, the only people who dont want halo 2 to be on Vista are the people who can't afford it. Simple as that. I mean its not even ready right now, and it won't be until the Vista release. It probably wont even be ready a few months after vista is released. So why use old technology if it can be programmed for a better environment? Seriously just think about it.

  • 03.28.2006 7:50 PM PDT
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Having played Halo for PC quite a long time and being a fan of other FPS here is what I think they need to create for Halo 2 PC.

- First I would love it to come to XP but I don't believe that, that will not happen as we do need to move on from XP. Microsoft has had enough issues with it and is ready to move on, bringing Halo 2 to Vista seems like a logical progression in all cases even if we want to stay with what we know.

- Having played Half life 2 and Battlefront 2 there are definate advantages to these but sometimes it is much faster to get onto a halo server. The main advantages of these is the online config, Halo 2 needs if pos to reinvent a more easy way to find friends, fav servers, and most especially leader boards and and to implement a score chart, so that you can still be the best but dont have to play 1000000000 times to be spotted as good. This all should be fast and easy to access.

- One of the main things I believe they should do to generate more game sales is add new things to the games, much like they did when they released halo for PC adding maps and guns! This will generate more sales as xbox halo 2 owners will then want a copy!

- PCs are the future of gaming as the next gen computers that are soon coming out will far out strip any console for power, games will become extreamly brilliant for the PC and Microsoft need to see this potential, esspecially with Halo 2, with this game they need to make an amazing statment saying this is how games will be on vista - basically it had better blow our socks off in all ways, other wise there is no need to port it to vista!

- Cant wait to get the game but I wont be buying Vista for a few months at least until there is an amount of stabilaty with the new OS I should imagine that it will be attacked much more than XP is and I hope that Microsft is ready for that. So even though I seriously want the game I am ready to wait until a few of the bugs have been kicked.

- Who knows maybe some kid somewhere will come up with a vista console for XP in which we can play Halo 2 without Vista - that would be ace!

  • 03.29.2006 11:00 AM PDT
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We need to let Bungie release some more facts.

  • 04.10.2006 6:47 PM PDT
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Halo2 will be on Vista because of it's hardware requirements (DX10) and because it will run so much better on Vista. Vista is being built as a better gaming OS.

Vista is not going to be $299. XP Pro goes for like $139 on newegg, so if you paid $299 for it, you're a moron.

Why should an OS be free? It takes alot of people alot of hard work to make it, they're work should all be for free? If you want a free OS, stick to Linux. I'm not downing Linux, I like SuSe and all, but WindowsXP is so much better.

My ONLY complaint is that there are no screenshots of Halo2 PC yet!!!

  • 04.10.2006 8:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: m3talc0re
Halo2 will be on Vista because of it's hardware requirements (DX10) and because it will run so much better on Vista. Vista is being built as a better gaming OS.

Vista is not going to be $299. XP Pro goes for like $139 on newegg, so if you paid $299 for it, you're a moron.

Why should an OS be free? It takes alot of people alot of hard work to make it, they're work should all be for free? If you want a free OS, stick to Linux. I'm not downing Linux, I like SuSe and all, but WindowsXP is so much better.

My ONLY complaint is that there are no screenshots of Halo2 PC yet!!!


OMG! LEAKED H2 SCREENSHOTZ!!!!!1!1

(Oh, and as a side note, while I would condone bumping a thread, I'll make an exception to this particular thread.)

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  • 04.11.2006 2:16 PM PDT