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Subject: The Halo universe COULD put up a good fight against the 40k universe

I have a few ways the Halo universe could put up a decent fight on the 40k universe.

>If the flood infection reached the Ork population, this could be catastrophic for the entire race. Orks are dumb, they will likely not know about complex quarantine and containment, meaning they will fall to the flood far quicker then any other race. Because there are so many orks, this means there's so much biomass for the flood to take.
Since the flood can utilise any ork weapon, vehicle or ship, they can then use this against other, far more sturdy races, like the imperial guard and whatnot. Using huge numbers, the orky flood can overwhelm other races of the 40k universe.

I'm not saying halo universe would win, I'm saying they can be a devastating force in the 40k universe. This is excluding the precursors, which I will exclude simple because we don't know much about it.





TL;DR = Flood infection+ork horde = pure devastation


[Edited on 06.12.2011 5:49 AM PDT]

  • 06.12.2011 5:48 AM PDT

the Orks aren't that great, there are bigger problems in the Warhammer 40,000 universe that make the Orks look like school children. the Necrons for example are an almost unstoppable race of living machines, they cannot be infected since they aren't biological and their weapons are god-like, breaking targets down at the atomic level, no amount of armour or protection makes a difference.

another enemy is the Tyranids, which are far far far worse than the Flood, billions of horrible, barbed clawed, razor toothed creatures shooting you with acidic weapons and such, controlled by a 'hive mind', they arrive at a world and that world is lost, pretty much regardless! also doubt they can be infected by the Flood as well, since they are very genetically advanced.

  • 06.12.2011 5:57 AM PDT

Not to mention a flood battle form could just blindly shoot at a space marine and a bullet would bounce upwards off the armor into their necks.

  • 06.12.2011 5:58 AM PDT

hah! imagine loads of Flood combat forms trying to take down something like a Carnifex, that would be a blood bath!

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Orks are little more then sentient fungus. If the Flood could infect fungus then it could infect Orks. I have doubts on that however.

A more important point is the fact that Ork tech does not work. Literally, the Inquistion once took apart an Ork gun and found it was missing several key components that would allow it to fire. All Orks generate a field which can bend reality to fit their beliefs. Ork guns work in Ork hands because all the Orks believe they should. As such, the Flood could not use any ranged weapons.

Orks travel in space hulks which are always infested with dozens of alien or other dangerous creatures. This also includes the Daemons which might drop in and kill everything. The only reason Orks survive this voyage is because they emit a cloud of spores upon death which grows into new Orks, Grots, Gretchin and Squigs. Flood infected Orks can't reproduce like that.

Good luck infecting humans though, the Imperium would lock all the Flood underground along with the mutants and if the Flood did start infecting the general populace on a large scale, the Inquisition would probably mistake them for Tyranids and nuke the planet into oblivion.

Edit: Tyranids have devoured dozens of galaxies before coming to ours and it is strongly implied that Behemoth,Leviathan and Kraken are just the vanguards for a larger invasion force. It is also said the 'Nids are running from something worse.

There are so many 'Nids that they literally clogged up guns meant to punch through orbiting starships.

[Edited on 06.12.2011 8:03 AM PDT]

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  • 06.12.2011 8:18 AM PDT


Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
the Orks aren't that great, there are bigger problems in the Warhammer 40,000 universe that make the Orks look like school children. the Necrons for example are an almost unstoppable race of living machines, they cannot be infected since they aren't biological and their weapons are god-like, breaking targets down at the atomic level, no amount of armour or protection makes a difference.

another enemy is the Tyranids, which are far far far worse than the Flood, billions of horrible, barbed clawed, razor toothed creatures shooting you with acidic weapons and such, controlled by a 'hive mind', they arrive at a world and that world is lost, pretty much regardless! also doubt they can be infected by the Flood as well, since they are very genetically advanced.


Yeha, that sounds like the Flood to me.

People need to realize the Flood has never shown their true colors. The games always depicted a small infestation, nothing close to what the "true" Flood could achieve.

Tyranids vs the Flood would likely never end. They'd just keep infecting each other (assuming on my part Tyranids are a virus of some sort) and swapping soldiers for all eternity. So long as Tyranids haven biomass, the Flood can use them for parts at the very least.

OT: The Orks are incredibly stupid. The Mind wouldn't get much out of them other then resources (biomass). Now the Imperium...imagine an infected Space Marine

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
the Orks aren't that great, there are bigger problems in the Warhammer 40,000 universe that make the Orks look like school children. the Necrons for example are an almost unstoppable race of living machines, they cannot be infected since they aren't biological and their weapons are god-like, breaking targets down at the atomic level, no amount of armour or protection makes a difference.

another enemy is the Tyranids, which are far far far worse than the Flood, billions of horrible, barbed clawed, razor toothed creatures shooting you with acidic weapons and such, controlled by a 'hive mind', they arrive at a world and that world is lost, pretty much regardless! also doubt they can be infected by the Flood as well, since they are very genetically advanced.


Yeha, that sounds like the Flood to me.

People need to realize the Flood has never shown their true colors. The games always depicted a small infestation, nothing close to what the "true" Flood could achieve.

Tyranids vs the Flood would likely never end. They'd just keep infecting each other (assuming on my part Tyranids are a virus of some sort) and swapping soldiers for all eternity. So long as Tyranids haven biomass, the Flood can use them for parts at the very least.

OT: The Orks are incredibly stupid. The Mind wouldn't get much out of them other then resources (biomass). Now the Imperium...imagine an infected Space Marine
A lot of what you said about the Flood applies to the Tyranids as well. Having devoured dozens of galaxies, their Hive Fleets are massive beyond measure. One picture depicting a Hive Fleet showed them as a mass of tentacles almost as big as the Eye of Terror. The main difference between the Tyranids and the Flood is that Tyranids are not an infection. Rather, they take biomass, any biomass, and convert it into various gaunts, carnifexs, gargoyles etc. This gives them a slight advantage as Tyranids do not need their victims nervous system intact to make use of them.

An infected Space Marine would cause some problems. But the Imperium has a solution to those sorts of infections. They have a low tolerance for deviation.

[Edited on 06.12.2011 8:49 AM PDT]

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
the Orks aren't that great, there are bigger problems in the Warhammer 40,000 universe that make the Orks look like school children. the Necrons for example are an almost unstoppable race of living machines, they cannot be infected since they aren't biological and their weapons are god-like, breaking targets down at the atomic level, no amount of armour or protection makes a difference.

another enemy is the Tyranids, which are far far far worse than the Flood, billions of horrible, barbed clawed, razor toothed creatures shooting you with acidic weapons and such, controlled by a 'hive mind', they arrive at a world and that world is lost, pretty much regardless! also doubt they can be infected by the Flood as well, since they are very genetically advanced.


Yeha, that sounds like the Flood to me.

People need to realize the Flood has never shown their true colors. The games always depicted a small infestation, nothing close to what the "true" Flood could achieve.

Tyranids vs the Flood would likely never end. They'd just keep infecting each other (assuming on my part Tyranids are a virus of some sort) and swapping soldiers for all eternity. So long as Tyranids haven biomass, the Flood can use them for parts at the very least.

OT: The Orks are incredibly stupid. The Mind wouldn't get much out of them other then resources (biomass). Now the Imperium...imagine an infected Space Marine
A lot of what you said about the Flood applies to the Tyranids as well. Having devoured dozens of galaxies, their Hive Fleets are massive beyond measure. One picture depicting a Hive Fleet showed them as a mass of tentacles almost as big as the Eye of Terror. The main difference between the Tyranids and the Flood is that Tyranids are not an infection. Rather, they take biomass, any biomass, and convert it into various gaunts, carnifexs, gargoyles etc. This gives them a slight advantage as Tyranids do not need their victims nervous system intact to make use of them.

An infected Space Marine would cause some problems. But the Imperium has a solution to those sorts of infections.


I see ,but the Flood too use biomass to create Pure forms,they take biomass from the environment,just look at High Charity a space station transformed into a pile of Flood biomass.

Roberto is right,the games never showed the true form of the flood.But Halo 3 and Wars showed a bit more,oh and Origins part I.

I hope Halo 4 changes this.

  • 06.12.2011 8:50 AM PDT

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Flood?

No Flood

  • 06.12.2011 8:58 AM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Flood?

No Flood


Eh, even the forerunners had means of blowing up planets. Even the UNSC has the means to do this, but it doesn't matter.

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Posted by: CLAYsomeMOAR

Posted by: anton1792
Flood?

No Flood


Eh, even the forerunners had means of blowing up planets. Even the UNSC has the means to do this, but it doesn't matter.
The difference is the Imperium is a lot more trigger happy with these kinds of weapons. Most starships use weapons of similar magnitude. An example is the Blackstone Fortesses which where designed to kill Gods.

  • 06.12.2011 9:12 AM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792
Flood?

No Flood

Eh, even the forerunners had means of blowing up planets. Even the UNSC has the means to do this, but it doesn't matter.

Well, doesn't the Imperium of Man order an Exterminatus immediately upon discovery of chaos elements or Tyranid? The UNSC and Forerunner are not willing to sacrifice billions in a heartbeat for small contaminants.

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The only thing in halo that could put up a fight against 40K is the Flood.
The UNSC would not even stand a chance, what with all that "morality", and that weird obsession with "peace".

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Posted by: JETO40K
The only thing in halo that could put up a fight against 40K is the Flood.
The UNSC would not even stand a chance, what with all that "morality", and that weird obsession with "peace".
They do give peace a chance.

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Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: CLAYsomeMOAR
Posted by: anton1792
Flood?

No Flood

Eh, even the forerunners had means of blowing up planets. Even the UNSC has the means to do this, but it doesn't matter.

Well, doesn't the Imperium of Man order an Exterminatus immediately upon discovery of chaos elements or Tyranid? The UNSC and Forerunner are not willing to sacrifice billions in a heartbeat for small contaminants.

Read the terminals and Cryptum. The Forerunners could take most baryonic races in 40k. They had no compunction about causing supernovae as firebreaks.

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: anton1792
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Posted by: anton1792
Flood?

No Flood

Eh, even the forerunners had means of blowing up planets. Even the UNSC has the means to do this, but it doesn't matter.

Well, doesn't the Imperium of Man order an Exterminatus immediately upon discovery of chaos elements or Tyranid? The UNSC and Forerunner are not willing to sacrifice billions in a heartbeat for small contaminants.

Read the terminals and Cryptum. The Forerunners could take most baryonic races in 40k. They had no compunction about causing supernovae as firebreaks.


Also not mention that Forerunner's weapons generate about several hundred teratons of TNT to ten peratons of TNT, estimated by other thread here, based on PoA blowing up the ring, and cryptum describing about forerunners destroying larger ring with ease. With calculations to destroy rings at ease, it would be have to be over several hundred teratons of TNT to ten peratons to achieve this.

I'm pretty sure that Forerunners would win against the Warhammer 40k races at ease.

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: CLAYsomeMOAR
Eh, even the forerunners had means of blowing up planets. Even the UNSC has the means to do this, but it doesn't matter.

Well, doesn't the Imperium of Man order an Exterminatus immediately upon discovery of chaos elements or Tyranid? The UNSC and Forerunner are not willing to sacrifice billions in a heartbeat for small contaminants.

Read the terminals and Cryptum. The Forerunners could take most baryonic races in 40k. They had no compunction about causing supernovae as firebreaks.


Also not mention that Forerunner's weapons generate about several hundred teratons of TNT to ten peratons of TNT, estimated by other thread here, based on PoA blowing up the ring, and cryptum describing about forerunners destroying larger ring with ease. With calculations to destroy rings at ease, it would be have to be over several hundred teratons of TNT to ten peratons to achieve this.

I'm pretty sure that Forerunners would win against the Warhammer 40k races at ease.

Not with ease, but the conclusion would be forgone. The Forerunners would win, given how they can shuffle planets around for fun, put said planets into slipspace, do not use the warp, but a much safer way of travel... go into different realities... have some time travel capability.

  • 06.12.2011 11:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Posted by: anton1792
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Posted by: anton1792
Flood?

No Flood

Eh, even the forerunners had means of blowing up planets. Even the UNSC has the means to do this, but it doesn't matter.

Well, doesn't the Imperium of Man order an Exterminatus immediately upon discovery of chaos elements or Tyranid? The UNSC and Forerunner are not willing to sacrifice billions in a heartbeat for small contaminants.

Read the terminals and Cryptum. The Forerunners could take most baryonic races in 40k. They had no compunction about causing supernovae as firebreaks.

Was I talking about the Forerunners? Nope. I was stating how a Flood infestation would be cauterised rather quickly by the Imperium's utterly ruthless zero tolerance policy.

It absolutely amazes me how the point gets completely missed in this forum all the time now.

  • 06.12.2011 11:48 AM PDT


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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
the Orks aren't that great, there are bigger problems in the Warhammer 40,000 universe that make the Orks look like school children. the Necrons for example are an almost unstoppable race of living machines, they cannot be infected since they aren't biological and their weapons are god-like, breaking targets down at the atomic level, no amount of armour or protection makes a difference.

another enemy is the Tyranids, which are far far far worse than the Flood, billions of horrible, barbed clawed, razor toothed creatures shooting you with acidic weapons and such, controlled by a 'hive mind', they arrive at a world and that world is lost, pretty much regardless! also doubt they can be infected by the Flood as well, since they are very genetically advanced.


Yeha, that sounds like the Flood to me.

People need to realize the Flood has never shown their true colors. The games always depicted a small infestation, nothing close to what the "true" Flood could achieve.

Tyranids vs the Flood would likely never end. They'd just keep infecting each other (assuming on my part Tyranids are a virus of some sort) and swapping soldiers for all eternity. So long as Tyranids haven biomass, the Flood can use them for parts at the very least.

OT: The Orks are incredibly stupid. The Mind wouldn't get much out of them other then resources (biomass). Now the Imperium...imagine an infected Space Marine
A lot of what you said about the Flood applies to the Tyranids as well. Having devoured dozens of galaxies, their Hive Fleets are massive beyond measure. One picture depicting a Hive Fleet showed them as a mass of tentacles almost as big as the Eye of Terror. The main difference between the Tyranids and the Flood is that Tyranids are not an infection. Rather, they take biomass, any biomass, and convert it into various gaunts, carnifexs, gargoyles etc. This gives them a slight advantage as Tyranids do not need their victims nervous system intact to make use of them.

An infected Space Marine would cause some problems. But the Imperium has a solution to those sorts of infections. They have a low tolerance for deviation.


Neither do the Flood. The nervous system hack is merely to gain information off of the creature. Remember in Halo 1? There was a pile of very dead corpses the Flood were planning to infect? Or how you can blow the Flood's head off and it keeps coming?

And thats why the Tyranids vs the Flood would be a tie; too close a match to be discerned without guess work.

Though I'm not saying WH would lose. I'm just fantasizing different scenarios.

[Edited on 06.12.2011 12:00 PM PDT]

  • 06.12.2011 11:55 AM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: CLAYsomeMOAR
Posted by: anton1792
Flood?

No Flood

Eh, even the forerunners had means of blowing up planets. Even the UNSC has the means to do this, but it doesn't matter.

Well, doesn't the Imperium of Man order an Exterminatus immediately upon discovery of chaos elements or Tyranid? The UNSC and Forerunner are not willing to sacrifice billions in a heartbeat for small contaminants.


UNSC, no, Forerunners yes. Any planet was considered lost the instant a Flood spore was reported on any world, followed by swift destruction of the entire world, death star style by their ships. Either that, or they would detonate the local star if it was a system-wide infection.

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: CLAYsomeMOAR
Posted by: anton1792
Flood?

No Flood

Eh, even the forerunners had means of blowing up planets. Even the UNSC has the means to do this, but it doesn't matter.

Well, doesn't the Imperium of Man order an Exterminatus immediately upon discovery of chaos elements or Tyranid? The UNSC and Forerunner are not willing to sacrifice billions in a heartbeat for small contaminants.

Read the terminals and Cryptum. The Forerunners could take most baryonic races in 40k. They had no compunction about causing supernovae as firebreaks.
The Imperium of Man considers manpower as it's sole unlimited resource. And this is where they can recharge their weapons by exposing them to sunlight for a while. Some planets even list soldiers for the Guard as their chief export.

Tyranids are capable of evolving resistance to weapons over time. One Splinter Fleet attacked the Tau Empire and evolved complete immunitie to their weapons within hours of first contact. There is also The Doom of Malan'tai: a single zoanthrope broke into Malan'tai's infinity circuit and consumed every soul within it. This single zoanthrope proceeded to destroy the entire Craftworld and escaped.
The Tyranids have consumed dozens of galaxies and have perfected their methods. The Genestealers will destroy a planets infrastructure to soften them up and then the Fleet attacks and kills everything. Ours is just the next galaxy.

The Eldar and their Dark cousins had technology that rivaled the Forerunners and weapons that can cut through any armor. Crafworld Eldar shoot disks of metal that are a single molecule thick and the residents of Commoraggh fire solid poison that can kill even deamons. They also go to war with their Gods. The Dark Eldar also posses many elaborate killing devices such as a mirror that, when shattered, kills anyone reflected in it.

The Tau are so dynamic with their group ethic that they went from having just discovered the wheel to being on par with the Imperium's technology in just 6000 years. For a comparison: we discovered the wheel almost 6000 years ago.

The Necrons flay targets apart, molecule by molecule. When hit, it is not a question of if your armor can protect but rather how many milliseconds it will take for the weapons to reach your flesh. The thinner the armor, the shorter the time. They destroyed the galaxy before, and now they will do it again.

[Edited on 06.13.2011 6:07 PM PDT]

  • 06.12.2011 1:44 PM PDT

how can anyone say the Tyranids and the Flood would be a draw? what the devil? have you seen a Tyranid, they are huge, vicious things with claws the size of people that can slice tanks in half without much trouble, how in the name of Jesus would Flood be able to stop a swarm of Genestealers, they would just be ripped apart like cooked chicken! also they reproduce like Xenomorphs from the Alien movies except they are probably more deadly!

  • 06.13.2011 12:13 PM PDT


Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
how can anyone say the Tyranids and the Flood would be a draw? what the devil? have you seen a Tyranid, they are huge, vicious things with claws the size of people that can slice tanks in half without much trouble, how in the name of Jesus would Flood be able to stop a swarm of Genestealers, they would just be ripped apart like cooked chicken! also they reproduce like Xenomorphs from the Alien movies except they are probably more deadly!


How coud the Flood lose to a demi-godlike race with starship weapons that could Death Star planets, obliterate stars, had small vehicular weapons/power armor that could devestate cities (Forerunner super cities that is) and blast continents into orbit?

Except they already did that. This is the same race of beings (Forerunners) that wouldn't dare get any where near a planet with so much as a single Flood spore on the surface. They instead would just destroy it without even evacuating any remaining population centers. They were automatically signed off as lost.

As I said, people constantly underestimate the Flood.

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
how can anyone say the Tyranids and the Flood would be a draw? what the devil? have you seen a Tyranid, they are huge, vicious things with claws the size of people that can slice tanks in half without much trouble, how in the name of Jesus would Flood be able to stop a swarm of Genestealers, they would just be ripped apart like cooked chicken! also they reproduce like Xenomorphs from the Alien movies except they are probably more deadly!


How coud the Flood lose to a demi-godlike race with starship weapons that could Death Star planets, obliterate stars, had small vehicular weapons/power armor that could devestate cities (Forerunner super cities that is) and blast continents into orbit?

Except they already did that. This is the same race of beings (Forerunners) that wouldn't dare get any where near a planet with so much as a single Flood spore on the surface. They instead would just destroy it without even evacuating any remaining population centers. They were automatically signed off as lost.

As I said, people constantly underestimate the Flood.
And you are constantly underestimating the Tyranids. When I said the ones we have seen are just the vanguard, I mean it. You can't kill a dozen galaxies by being a pushover (no exageration, the 'Nids really have killed a dozen galaxies).

Each and every 'Nid is a creature designed for only one purpose: the death and consummption of all organic life. Every day they mutate into something new, perfectly suited for the job at hand.

Old One Eye for example, this is a Carnifex that has been killed dozens of times, each time regenrating with no damage. Scout Sergeant Telion of the Ultramarines fought it and shot it through the eye with a sniper rifle destroying it's brain. It came back.

The Nercrons are also at a similar level to the Forerunners. When the invaded the planet of Damnos, they drained the planet sized sea into a trans-dimensional sinkhole. The Herald of Dismay also state that he trapped his an attempted usuper in a prison a millisecond apart from the rest of the universe.

And then, there are the daemons, a impossible horde that feeds off of emotion. Each and every one of them is an army unto itself. Nurgle is also capable of creating disease to which none are immune. The only reason there are cures is because the Eldar Goddess of Healing is imprisoned there and Nurgle tests his diseases on her.

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