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Subject: If there were no Halo books published...

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Would people have enjoyed Reach more? Seeing as most people's gripe about it was because it didn't fit the canon of the rather pitiful fall of Reach in the books.

  • 06.12.2011 12:14 PM PDT

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  • 06.12.2011 12:14 PM PDT
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Be nice to noobs..Remember even MLG players were noobs at one point.

How can you call it pitiful? The whole point of the way The Fall of Reach was told was to show just how desperate humanities situation was.


Posted by: Grizzled Ancient
Would people have enjoyed Reach more? Seeing as most people's gripe about it was because it didn't fit the canon of the rather pitiful fall of Reach in the books.

  • 06.12.2011 12:29 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: halo3f3ak
How can you call it pitiful? The whole point of the way The Fall of Reach was told was to show just how desperate humanities situation was.
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Because the book's ending felt like a big cop-out. Nylund spent so much time on events other than Reach, it felt like he went "Oh right, this is the Fall of Reach, crap I only have about ten pages left, oh hey, let's have the Covenant Zerg rush Reach!"

  • 06.12.2011 12:34 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

People would rage because the manual for CE says John is the last Spartan and then we would have Noble Team, and without the limits set by the Fall of Reach, they would probably survive, effectively making the people rage.

  • 06.12.2011 12:36 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: halo3f3ak
How can you call it pitiful? The whole point of the way The Fall of Reach was told was to show just how desperate humanities situation was.
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Because the book's ending felt like a big cop-out. Nylund spent so much time on events other than Reach, it felt like he went "Oh right, this is the Fall of Reach, crap I only have about ten pages left, oh hey, let's have the Covenant Zerg rush Reach!"

No, the ending of the book was nearly perfect, it illustrated the strength of our enemy, and how humanity lost Reach, heart of the UNSC's military.

I just can't understand why people think that "Halo: Reach" is better. Because the fight lasts a month instead of a day? That doesn't makes the battle more epic, in fact, it makes it lame.

And no, even if the books didn't exist, nothing in the game makes sense, so I would still hate the Campaign.

  • 06.12.2011 12:46 PM PDT

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Because the most protected planet in the galaxy, other than Earth, fell within 24 hours. That was pathetic.
Posted by: halo3f3ak
How can you call it pitiful? The whole point of the way The Fall of Reach was told was to show just how desperate humanities situation was.


Posted by: Grizzled Ancient
Would people have enjoyed Reach more? Seeing as most people's gripe about it was because it didn't fit the canon of the rather pitiful fall of Reach in the books.

  • 06.12.2011 12:46 PM PDT
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Not for me. The campaign is only one thing I don't like about Reach.

  • 06.12.2011 12:47 PM PDT


Posted by: Grizzled Ancient
Because the most protected planet in the galaxy, other than Earth, fell within 24 hours. That was pathetic.
Posted by: halo3f3ak
How can you call it pitiful? The whole point of the way The Fall of Reach was told was to show just how desperate humanities situation was.


Posted by: Grizzled Ancient
Would people have enjoyed Reach more? Seeing as most people's gripe about it was because it didn't fit the canon of the rather pitiful fall of Reach in the books.
Why? Why is it pathetic? Have you even read the book?

  • 06.12.2011 12:48 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Juan Teran

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: halo3f3ak
How can you call it pitiful? The whole point of the way The Fall of Reach was told was to show just how desperate humanities situation was.
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Because the book's ending felt like a big cop-out. Nylund spent so much time on events other than Reach, it felt like he went "Oh right, this is the Fall of Reach, crap I only have about ten pages left, oh hey, let's have the Covenant Zerg rush Reach!"

No, the ending of the book was nearly perfect, it illustrated the strength of our enemy, and how humanity lost Reach, heart of the UNSC's military.

I just can't understand why people think that "Halo: Reach" is better. Because the fight lasts a month instead of a day? That doesn't makes the battle more epic, in fact, it makes it lame.

And no, even if the books didn't exist, nothing in the game makes sense, so I would still hate the Campaign.


Because it makes more sense, at least to me. Reach was humanities fortress among the stars and yet they were so unprepared for a Covenant invasion. At least they put up a fighting chance in Reach, but in TFoR, it was pathetic.

  • 06.12.2011 12:49 PM PDT
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It's pathetic because WE'RE THE BEST! HUMANS -blam!- YEAH! FTW!

  • 06.12.2011 12:50 PM PDT

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The entire Navy was wiped out in a matter of hours. And even with the MAC platforms, transports made it planet-side. I would expect them to have a little tighter of a defense.
Posted by: Juan Teran

Posted by: Grizzled Ancient
Because the most protected planet in the galaxy, other than Earth, fell within 24 hours. That was pathetic.
Posted by: halo3f3ak
How can you call it pitiful? The whole point of the way The Fall of Reach was told was to show just how desperate humanities situation was.


Posted by: Grizzled Ancient
Would people have enjoyed Reach more? Seeing as most people's gripe about it was because it didn't fit the canon of the rather pitiful fall of Reach in the books.
Why? Why is it pathetic? Have you even read the book?

  • 06.12.2011 12:53 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Because it makes more sense, at least to me.
Nothing in the game makes sense. Even if the books weren't published, the game still makes no sense at all.

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
At least they put up a fighting chance in Reach
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... wait, that was something serious? In the game, Reach felt like a random farmer's planet, they were out of nukes for God's sake, they couldn't destroy a single supercarrier, and you are telling me that they fought against the Covenant?

In fact, Kat says that in 48 hours (in The Long Night of Solace), the whole planet would be destroyed, or something like that. Are you telling me the whole planet would be lost because of a single supercarrier? The heart of the UNSC's military can't against it? And don't give me that lame excuse that the MACs were offline, that made no sense at all.

In The Fall of Reach, the fight was over in a single day, yes, but there was a real and desperate fight against the Covenant. Not to mention that it was the biggest fleet against the strongest human planet.

Again, people like to think that "if the fight lasts longer, it's better".

  • 06.12.2011 12:56 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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If the UNSC and the Covenant can contest for Harvest with 5 years of constant fighting, what excuse does Reach have for falling so quickly?

  • 06.12.2011 1:01 PM PDT

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Exactly. The only argument is that they outnumbered the Covenant 3:1
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
If the UNSC and the Covenant can contest for Harvest with 5 years of constant fighting, what excuse does Reach have for falling so quickly?

  • 06.12.2011 1:02 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: Juan Teran

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Because it makes more sense, at least to me.
Nothing in the game makes sense. Even if the books weren't published, the game still makes no sense at all.

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
At least they put up a fighting chance in Reach
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... wait, that was something serious? In the game, Reach felt like a random farmer's planet, they were out of nukes for God's sake, they couldn't destroy a single supercarrier, and you are telling me that they fought against the Covenant?

In fact, Kat says that in 48 hours (in The Long Night of Solace), the whole planet would be destroyed, or something like that. Are you telling me the whole planet would be lost because of a single supercarrier? The heart of the UNSC's military can't against it? And don't give me that lame excuse that the MACs were offline, that made no sense at all.

In The Fall of Reach, the fight was over in a single day, yes, but there was a real and desperate fight against the Covenant. Not to mention that it was the biggest fleet against the strongest human planet.

Again, people like to think that "if the fight lasts longer, it's better".


Auntie Dot (COM): "Thankfully, help is imminent. Sixty percent of the UNSC fleet is en route to Reach from existing deployments. The first battle group should arrive within forty-eight hours."

So no, she didn't said the planet would be destroyed, Auntie told them that reinforcements would arrive.

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  • 06.12.2011 1:06 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Humanity's fortress world, the most prepared world for a Covenant threat. The very best we have.

No nukes available.
No resident guardian fleet.
No SMACs.
Crappy detection systems.

It all adds up to one Covenant ship being a big deal for Humanity's best.

For shame.

  • 06.12.2011 1:09 PM PDT

The battle of Harvest lasted longer because the conflict started on that planet. Negotiations witht the Covenant failed, so they got the upper hand as they had more advanced technology in order to attack the planet.

Again, I'm not expert, and haven't read Contact Harvest, but it seems that the first attempt to retake Harvest started 13 months after the first battle, and humanity was able to defeat the enemy.

The planet kept being contested, until 2531 (five years, indeed), when the Covenant finally found the Forerunner structure that led them to Arcadia, in order to get those Forerunner ships to eliminate humanity.

In the fight against Reach, the fight lasted a single day, but both sides had heavy losses. Even if the Covenant glassed the planet, they lost many of their ships. Again, you can't compare those two battles, as the battle for Harvest was just the beginning of the war. Even after the victory for the planet, humanity soon realized that Harvest had little to no strategic value, so they decided to protect other planets.

  • 06.12.2011 1:16 PM PDT

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You're laughing us off as if you were. Facts are facts, its been said multiple times in canonized books that Reach was the most heavily guarded planet in the Epsilon Eridanus system. For it to fall in hours is lazy writing, and a disrespecting the intelligence of the reader.
Posted by: Juan Teran
Again, I'm not expert

  • 06.12.2011 1:20 PM PDT


Posted by: Grizzled Ancient
You're laughing us off as if you were. Facts are facts, its been said multiple times in canonized books that Reach was the most heavily guarded planet in the Epsilon Eridanus system. For it to fall in hours is lazy writing, and a disrespecting the intelligence of the reader.
Posted by: Juan Teran
Again, I'm not expert
It was the most heavily guarded planet humanity had colonized. For it to fall in hours proves the real strength of the Covenant, and the impending doom humanity would eventually face.

Why is it disrespecting for the reader? Because the whole fight lasted a single day while in the game it lasts over a month? I beg to differ, the fight in the books made a lot more sense, and it had a bigger impact.

To begin with, the initial Covenant assault was wiped out thanks to the Super MACs, which could easily destroy those ships. Why aren't those things present in the game? Because they are offline? LOL!

The Covenant decides to deploy units in the ground in order to destroy the generators, and there's where the real fight begins. In the books, humanity is indeed showing up a fight, but they eventually realize that they can't win. Not even the strongest UNSC colonized planet can win, it has a bigger impact.

In the game, the Covenant appears out of nowhere for no apparent reason, and humanity can't against a single Supercarrier. Now, that's disrespecting for anyone who has read the book and takes the canon seriously.

  • 06.12.2011 1:27 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: halo3f3ak
How can you call it pitiful? The whole point of the way The Fall of Reach was told was to show just how desperate humanities situation was.
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Because the book's ending felt like a big cop-out. Nylund spent so much time on events other than Reach, it felt like he went "Oh right, this is the Fall of Reach, crap I only have about ten pages left, oh hey, let's have the Covenant Zerg rush Reach!"


The book focused more on John and the other Spartan-IIs.


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  • 06.12.2011 1:55 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

No because Reach would still have an ABYSMAL "story".

  • 06.12.2011 2:16 PM PDT

Yea you people are saying Halo Reach was better, because the fight was longer and they put up a fight. Okay. The most highly protected military planet in the Galaxy...
1. Couldn't even detect a single scout ship holding a small Army inside.
2. The covenant could have built a whole city and had a giant orgy in that vally before anyone, ON THE MOST HIGHLY PROTECTED MILTARY PLANET IN THE GALAXY, would have noticed. But yea I guess nobody would have noticed giant towers being built on their own planet.
3. I'm flying around in space and there's one single Defense station protecting Reach. Like seriously wtf, are you kidding?
4. The whole planet is just a giant farm. No wonder the Covenant just walked right in.
5. If there is a scout team on Reach then you would think the UNSC would call back a ton of ships preparing a defense, because the Covenant know where Reach is.
6. The -blam!- UNSC couldn't even take out a single Assult carrier without comming up with a very risky plan. You would think, the most highly protected military planet in the Galaxy would be able to handle a single ship. Atleast I would hope so.
7. A small Covenant Army was able to just walk into Sword Base with almost no difficulty.

Those are just the examples off the top of my head.
Now for the books. They are better, because the Covenant attacked Reach with their biggest Army they had ever throwin into battle, assuming that Reach was our homeworld. They attacked hard with full force so they could get us out of the way once and for all. Its no suprise they were able to take out Reach within a day. Take out the super mac guns and it was over. Which they did.
If you read the books you will know that the UNSC had difficulty taking out Covenant ships with their own ships. Many UNSC ships were not present, but there was still a nice chunk defending Reach. Once the Covies got passed the SMG and UNSC ships, they were able to invade the planet with millions of soilders. Thus turning the planet into glass within a single day.
That is something I would have much rather seen then the Halo Reach bullcrap.

  • 06.12.2011 2:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: halo3f3ak
How can you call it pitiful? The whole point of the way The Fall of Reach was told was to show just how desperate humanities situation was.
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Because the book's ending felt like a big cop-out. Nylund spent so much time on events other than Reach, it felt like he went "Oh right, this is the Fall of Reach, crap I only have about ten pages left, oh hey, let's have the Covenant Zerg rush Reach!"

I felt the exact same way when reading it, by the end of the book they had spent mostly all the time at Reach up in space... I was expecting most of the action to take place on the ground but they saved that for First Strike

  • 06.12.2011 2:39 PM PDT

"A LIE is a LIE"


- Truly intelligent and deep Black ops trailer

They would accept the story more. If it was the other way around, lets say fanboys thought reach fell in a month for the last 10 years, and then Bungie re-conned it to 1 day, people would not be happy bunnies.

  • 06.12.2011 2:42 PM PDT

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