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Subject: Imagine if TFOR stated reach fell in 1 month, and Halo:Reach....

"A LIE is a LIE"


- Truly intelligent and deep Black ops trailer

Think about it. If TFOR originally stated Reach fell in 1 month, and then Bungie's game came along and changed that to ONE day, people would be acting the exact same way they are acting now.

  • 06.12.2011 2:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

What is the point of this stupid thread?


and the point of reach losing the planet in "one day" was to show how strong the covenant are. The game completely undermined that and made the covenant look far more stupid than they are.

  • 06.12.2011 2:50 PM PDT

"A LIE is a LIE"


- Truly intelligent and deep Black ops trailer


Posted by: grey101
What is the point of this stupid thread?


and the point of reach losing the planet in "one day" was to show how strong the covenant are. The game completely undermined that and made the covenant look far more stupid than they are.


Not your best day, pal.


One month is short enough for the fall of reach to still be a complete and utter shock. 1 month isn't that long. And I'm pointing out that no matter how good the changes are, for good or for bad, halo fans will still be outraged.

[Edited on 06.12.2011 2:54 PM PDT]

  • 06.12.2011 2:52 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

That would be a completely different story. A completely different Halo. Firstly, there would need to be far less Covenant ships arriving, or the Covenant would need to be vastly weaker.

Which changes the entirety of Halo itself.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: grey101
What is the point of this stupid thread?


and the point of reach losing the planet in "one day" was to show how strong the covenant are. The game completely undermined that and made the covenant look far more stupid than they are.


Not your best day, pal.


One month is short enough for the fall of reach to still be a complete and utter shock. 1 month isn't that long.


Today is actually one of my better days.

1 month is far too long. The covenant beat the UNSC in space 99 percent of the time. so explain how reach could survive 1 month without a fleet.

  • 06.12.2011 2:54 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
What is the point of this stupid thread?


and the point of reach losing the planet in "one day" was to show how strong the covenant are. The game completely undermined that and made the covenant look far more stupid than they are.


Instead it showed the UNSC as utter fools and retards with tactics, instead of the Covenant being strong.

Besides, Reach's battle takes place... week-2weeks most with the game version.

Though to the OP, it'd be very amusing, cause then they'd be saying about how it falling in one day is crazy from a logical/tactical standpoint :P.

  • 06.12.2011 2:57 PM PDT

"A LIE is a LIE"


- Truly intelligent and deep Black ops trailer


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: grey101
What is the point of this stupid thread?


and the point of reach losing the planet in "one day" was to show how strong the covenant are. The game completely undermined that and made the covenant look far more stupid than they are.


Not your best day, pal.


One month is short enough for the fall of reach to still be a complete and utter shock. 1 month isn't that long.


Today is actually one of my better days.

1 month is far too long. The covenant beat the UNSC in space 99 percent of the time. so explain how reach could survive 1 month without a fleet.



I'm not here to explain that. I'm explaining that IF the 2001 edition of TFOR told that a 1 month battle happened and then Bungie changed it to 1 day 9 years later , people would still be unhappy.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: grey101
What is the point of this stupid thread?


and the point of reach losing the planet in "one day" was to show how strong the covenant are. The game completely undermined that and made the covenant look far more stupid than they are.


Not your best day, pal.


One month is short enough for the fall of reach to still be a complete and utter shock. 1 month isn't that long.


Today is actually one of my better days.

1 month is far too long. The covenant beat the UNSC in space 99 percent of the time. so explain how reach could survive 1 month without a fleet.



I'm not here to explain that. I'm explaining that IF the 2001 edition of TFOR told that a 1 month battle happened and then Bungie changed it to 1 day 9 years later , people would still be unhappy.


This is an absolutely pointless thread then.

  • 06.12.2011 2:58 PM PDT

"A LIE is a LIE"


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Posted by: grey101

This is an absolutely pointless thread then.


Opinion. Although this is not hot-topic material, its worth a discussion about the way Halo fans think about canon; and the "What if?" scenario

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: grey101

This is an absolutely pointless thread then.


Opinion. Although this is not hot-topic material, its worth a discussion about the way Halo fans think about canon; and the "What if?" scenario


Hmm.

In that case people don't think halo legends is canon because they don't know the lore around it and artistic license.

  • 06.12.2011 3:05 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: grey101

This is an absolutely pointless thread then.


Opinion. Although this is not hot-topic material, its worth a discussion about the way Halo fans think about canon; and the "What if?" scenario


Hmm.

In that case people don't think halo legends is canon because they don't know the lore around it and artistic license.



Depends. I believe that Halo legends is half and half, sometimes the artistic license just gets in the way and clouds/misleads the way characters and locations is portrayed. Halsey being portrayed as a cliche anime teen is one example - people who are wanting to learn more and more about the halo universe will be mislead by this kind of stuff.

  • 06.12.2011 3:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: grey101

This is an absolutely pointless thread then.


Opinion. Although this is not hot-topic material, its worth a discussion about the way Halo fans think about canon; and the "What if?" scenario

Human nature is incredibly inertial. People resist change, both positive and negative. If TFoR stated that Reach fell in a month and Halo Reach said day then people would have the same 8+ month long argument about the validity of the change.

  • 06.12.2011 3:09 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Why are we assuming that the one month scenario would not make sense in the context of its own story? Can anyone explain that? Because this thread is pointless if it can't be.

It is obvious that if Reach originally fell in one month then the entire universe would accommodate that fact. You are not seriously telling me that Bungie would create a Universe that makes no sense within itself are you? In the event that it did not, then very little people would be moaning that things were changed to make more sense. If it did originally make sense, then people would moan.

Stop oversimplifying things.

  • 06.12.2011 3:10 PM PDT


Posted by: Pipboy 3050
Think about it. If TFOR originally stated Reach fell in 1 month, and then Bungie's game came along and changed that to ONE day, people would be acting the exact same way they are acting now.



Oh pipboy, your attempt at defending the game is quite pathetic.

Face it, you played a -blam!- campaign.

  • 06.12.2011 3:28 PM PDT


Posted by: A Puzzled Mind

Posted by: Pipboy 3050
Think about it. If TFOR originally stated Reach fell in 1 month, and then Bungie's game came along and changed that to ONE day, people would be acting the exact same way they are acting now.



Oh pipboy, your attempt at defending the game is quite pathetic.

Face it, you played a -blam!- campaign.


Oh puzzled mind, your attempt at making your opinion fact is quite pathetic.

  • 06.12.2011 3:29 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: A Puzzled Mind

Posted by: Pipboy 3050
Think about it. If TFOR originally stated Reach fell in 1 month, and then Bungie's game came along and changed that to ONE day, people would be acting the exact same way they are acting now.





Oh pipboy, your attempt at defending the game is quite pathetic.

Face it, you played a -blam!- campaign.


Oh puzzled mind, your attempt at making your opinion fact is quite pathetic.


Oh gee, I feel so hurt because I stated my opinion...

  • 06.12.2011 3:39 PM PDT

You must be proud of that exact same comment you made in the other thread.

What's the reason of this thread? To point out that the fans would be angry if the Campaign and the novel were backwards? Can't you really see the problem?

Bungie created the whole Halo Story in the Halo Story Bible. They gave all that information to Eric Nylund so he could write the novels. It's not like Nylund said "wouldn't it be awesome if Reach fell in a single day?", it was written by the employees at Bungie.

Suddenly, they decide to change the whole thing for no apparent reason. Stop defending the Campaign with such a weak argument.

  • 06.12.2011 3:40 PM PDT


Posted by: Juan Teran
You must be proud of that exact same comment you made in the other thread.

What's the reason of this thread? To point out that the fans would be angry if the Campaign and the novel were backwards? Can't you really see the problem?

Bungie created the whole Halo Story in the Halo Story Bible. They gave all that information to Eric Nylund so he could write the novels. It's not like Nylund said "wouldn't it be awesome if Reach fell in a single day?", it was written by the employees at Bungie.

Suddenly, they decide to change the whole thing for no apparent reason. Stop defending the Campaign with such a weak argument.


They didn't change the whole thing. For all we know Nylund was given a limited view of the battle, and that is what we got.

Also, it was written when halo was just being formed. Clearly they went back and updated it.

I think it was said the authors do not get the halo story bible. They only get bits and pieces relating to what they needed to know.

TFOR dealt with the space battle. So Nylund got the main one (The one on the 30th).

  • 06.12.2011 3:44 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Juan Teran
You must be proud of that exact same comment you made in the other thread.

What's the reason of this thread? To point out that the fans would be angry if the Campaign and the novel were backwards? Can't you really see the problem?

Bungie created the whole Halo Story in the Halo Story Bible. They gave all that information to Eric Nylund so he could write the novels. It's not like Nylund said "wouldn't it be awesome if Reach fell in a single day?", it was written by the employees at Bungie.

Suddenly, they decide to change the whole thing for no apparent reason. Stop defending the Campaign with such a weak argument.


They didn't change the whole thing. For all we know Nylund was given a limited view of the battle, and that is what we got.

Also, it was written when halo was just being formed. Clearly they went back and updated it.

I think it was said the authors do not get the halo story bible. They only get bits and pieces relating to what they needed to know.

TFOR dealt with the space battle. So Nylund got the main one (The one on the 30th).
All the Halo media that expands the universe has always established that Reach fell in a single day.

And if he was given a "limited view" of the battle, then how can you justify all the events that happened at Reach during "Halo: The Fall of Reach"? No one ever said that the Covenant had already invaded the planet, they were too busy making a plan to capture a Prophet so they could stop the war, testing the MJOLNIR Mark V, etc.

I haven't read Halsey's journal yet, but apparently, ONI managed to trick the whole population (even the readers... apparently), hiding everything that revealed the Covenant's presence in the planet. [sarcasm]BRILLIANT[/sarcasm]

Yes, The Fall of Reach deals with the space battle, but what about the introduction for First Strike? Another point of view from Spartans that were fighting in the ground.

  • 06.12.2011 3:52 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Juan, you do realize that ODST backs up Reach's timeline, right?

  • 06.12.2011 3:54 PM PDT

Because of that monument at ONI Alpha Site?

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  • 06.12.2011 3:57 PM PDT

Um... last I checked the bulk of the rest of Halo lore doesn't even mention Reach. Other then it being there, or falling. Not that it fell in a day or a few hours (Which should be -blam!- impossible anyway for reasons stated before here.)

  • 06.12.2011 3:58 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Yes, because of the monument.

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Imagine a triangle. It's perfect, but a little plain. You take a chisel, and carve a small decorative symbol into it to make it a little more interesting. People like it, but it could use a little more.

So you then take a sledgehammer..


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(Which should be -blam!- impossible anyway for reasons stated before here.)

Why is that?

  • 06.12.2011 3:59 PM PDT

The Fall of Reach clearly states that Reach fell in a single day. First Strike backs everything that happened in the first book, and it's been accepted by the community that it fits perfectly in the canon... before 2010.

I never heard people complaining about Reach falling in a single day UNTIL Halo: Reach was released. That defeat had a huge impact on humanity, the heart of the UNSC military forces, Reach, falling in a single day, against the biggest Covenant fleet (over 350 ships).

It made sense, now I'm forced to retcon a story that I liked for a story where the Covenant appear out of nowhere in the planet for no apparent reason... and nothing makes sense. Seriously, Reach tries to be smart, adding complex words and some "backstory" (like in the opening scene in The Long Night of Solace) just to cover all the stupidity in the story.

  • 06.12.2011 4:07 PM PDT

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