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Subject: Thank you for Lying to my face, that makes me feel really good.

The Most Obvious Use for the "X" Button

MALSH

Dude, Pimps at Sea is like Halo, going 30 knots in a harbour, being chased by clippers and Man-o-war. And the Man-o-war are firing.

Well, it's only part of the point, but whatever.

  • 02.11.2006 10:14 PM PDT
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Well, I did only reply to one person in the thread. Apparently, you don't like having much support~

  • 02.11.2006 10:26 PM PDT
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Wow, look at all these new Maw-goers! Easy answer: it may be a marketing scheme, maybe not. What if Bungie decides to make an XP version? Halo 2 PC has been announced. This doesn't mean it'll be out in a month or two. By the time it's released, they might decide to make it for XP as well. And also, businesses don't always look to satisfy. Sometimes they want money instead.

  • 02.12.2006 6:38 AM PDT
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Vista is going to rely on your graphics card. The blam!ing operating system is going to have graphics lol! So think about it if the desktop looks good, then the games are going to have to look ten times better! Have you seen the flight sim that is lined up for Vista its going to be a huge land mark in flight sim history lol. But in all seriousness there is going to be major differences that could never be achieved on XP.

  • 02.12.2006 7:16 AM PDT
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That's all well and good, but how is Halo 2 actually going to be able to showcase the 'graphical prowess' of Vista? Halo 2 is a nice looking game... but by PC standards it's more than doable now.

Bungie certainly isn't going to revamp the whole game and take EVEN LONGER to release it than they already have.

  • 02.12.2006 7:22 AM PDT
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Wouldnt it be worth it though? If the game looks better than on the xbox(which is doable) then wouldnt it be nice to have something to rub in the face of all those xbox noobers. Finaly we will have the superior product.

  • 02.12.2006 7:28 AM PDT
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Well, the fact that we can run games at much higher resolutions anyway alone gives us something to rub in the face of Xbox players, but yeah I'll say that it'd be nice if they do actually optimize the game and Vista helps it achieve that. I don't really have a problem with it being on Vista... but I do find the methods pretty obnoxious.

I hope they at least make the damned crosshairs look like my playing a PC game. I always feel like I'm playing an xbox game through my monitor when I boot the damn thing up.

  • 02.12.2006 7:39 AM PDT
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*Opens mouth and rants*

*Realizes that discussion is pointless*

*edits post*



*walks away*

[Edited on 2/12/2006]

  • 02.12.2006 11:14 AM PDT
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*Realizes that Microsoft are aware and know exactly what they are doing and business wise*

*Realizes that they know it will be succesful*

*Follows Me15ter in the same direction...*

  • 02.12.2006 11:57 AM PDT
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Lying to your face? Who?

I've said this before in other threads already:

Bungie never even said that they would release "a" PC version of Halo2, let alone it would be a "Windows XP" version.

Be happy that it will be here at all. Besides, you're getting Vista anyway. Maybe not directly at release, but you will certainly have it after a few months.

The only thing that I don't like about it being Vista only is that I'll have to buy new hardware if I want to run it with the eye-candy on (DirectX 10, you know). By itself, the fact that it's Vista only doesn't bother me in the least.

[Edited on 2/12/2006]

  • 02.12.2006 1:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: Reeferdude
I miss DOS too. I've also completely forgotten how to use it. But then, I bet half the people on this forum haven't even seen a computer that uses Windows 3.1 let alone DOS only.

I'm going to play Colonization. That's even older than C&C. I bet some of you weren't even BORN when that game came out. The old days were so much better....


actually, the first computer i have ever used was an IBM PC. that thing was old skool. had to stick in dos diskettes to boot, then use all the command line stuff to run it... ive since forgotten how to use dos though :(

i used to use 3.1 at my old school. the first operating system i ever used extensively however is windows 98.

then i finally got XP in like 2004....... yeah. lol. anyway

you cant say that the OS has nothing to do with how exe's are run. it has EVERYTHING to do with how exe's are run. unless the program is written in x86 asm, then the cpu wont know how to handle the code. the operating system runs the exe, and also runs all your drivers, directx, then theres the .net runtime environment that many progs nowadays use extensively. i could name many more factors that, if not set up exactly right, the computer would not be able to run the program at all. windows vista will change nearly all of these factors. take for instance the fact that windows XP is actually based on windows NT. this means any game that was written for windows ME/98, 95, 3.1, or DOS will run using a dos EMULATOR. thats right. hold your brains together. windows XP is not based on, not even loosely, on DOS. not at all. i forgot the version number, but i think its actually windows NT 5.1. i might be wrong about the version number. aaaanyway... vista from what i hear is brand new code. therefore windows XP programs will not run natively. they will be run in a compatibility mode. and theres where you get problems.

  • 02.12.2006 2:23 PM PDT
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Your welcome. :)

  • 02.12.2006 2:36 PM PDT

I doubt it's deliberate on Bungie part.

The fact is that Microsoft will likely be releasing all its new gaming technologies (like the next version of DirectX) for Windows Vista only, and Bungie would be foolish not to take advantage of them (particularly as the development is going just as Vista is about to be released).

  • 02.12.2006 2:53 PM PDT

* Pr: ĭnʹtərnĕts: "I hear there's rumors on the uh (pause), Internets...

I really doubt that Halo 2 PC will take advantage of DirectX 10, I mean, it runs great on Xbox, and it uses DirectX 8 on that!

I also wonder why the jump to Vista, the only difference I can predict between an XP version is no ranked multiplayer, but that's it.

  • 02.12.2006 3:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: IceIceBaby
Lying to your face? Who?

Be happy that it will be here at all. Besides, you're getting Vista anyway. Maybe not directly at release, but you will certainly have it after a few months.


When u say this , u know that Vista may not be as good as ppl are making it out to be. If i can remember windows 2000 was a bit of a problem wen it first came out and it still was for a while untill Windows XP. I stuck with windows 98 untill XP. I might wait like a year or two to find out if Vistas really worth the $$$. If it is after that id say go for it but not until then.
This might be a bad idea on bungie's part cause vista Might not be all its cracked up to be! Ya never know

BTW- What will hapen to our games that were made for xp like Battlefield 2. I guess they will just have to patch it for Vista?

Oblivian

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  • 02.12.2006 4:00 PM PDT

The Most Obvious Use for the "X" Button

MALSH

Dude, Pimps at Sea is like Halo, going 30 knots in a harbour, being chased by clippers and Man-o-war. And the Man-o-war are firing.

Posted by: IceIceBaby
Lying to your face? Who?

I've said this before in other threads already:

Bungie never even said that they would release "a" PC version of Halo2, let alone it would be a "Windows XP" version.

Be happy that it will be here at all. Besides, you're getting Vista anyway. Maybe not directly at release, but you will certainly have it after a few months.

The only thing that I don't like about it being Vista only is that I'll have to buy new hardware if I want to run it with the eye-candy on (DirectX 10, you know). By itself, the fact that it's Vista only doesn't bother me in the least.

You did not even read what I typed. This has nothing to do with what I said.

Goweb makes a good point though.

[Edited on 2/12/2006]

  • 02.12.2006 5:44 PM PDT
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Mink, if youve seen what I have posted a few times, then Im sure you will agree.

I have said that *if* its not possible to get a version that will run on both, make 2 versions.

This will allow the majority (will everyone upgrade when Vista comes out? No) to play halo2, and therefore increase sales and profit.

The few points here are:

Its going to undoubtably be easier to port to XP/2000 than Vista.

It will sell more, due to the popularity of XP.

There isnt any good reason for not doing it, other than to push windows.

So yes mink, I do agree with you that its a lie they they are no using it to push Vista. And I would respect them a lot more if they just came out with it.

Dont blame bungie for it, microsoft now tell bungie what to say and when to say it. And bungie, being paid by them, does whatever they say.

  • 02.13.2006 2:51 AM PDT
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Posted by: MinkOWar
So, Halo 2 PC is being ported to Vista because it will be better? Halo 2 runs on a modified Windows 2000 operating system, doesn't it? So how is anyone going to be able to tell the quality difference between one compatible with XP and one compatible with Vista? I think this rationalization is a bit flimsy.

Halo 2 PC is being ported to Vista because it may help sell copied of Vista. That is the main reason, and we all know. I don't mind that though, because it makes sense. It's marketing, it's smart, it's Microsoft. That's not what I resent.

I resent being told up front that it is not the reason for the choice at all. I can respect your decision to sell te game however the -blam!- you want, it IS you game. I can't respect Bungie and Microsoft not acknowledging it though.

Respect me enough to tell me to my face, I'd do the same for you.

1. All new PCs will be using vista... so that is a very sensible step on MS's part
2. Halo 2 will help sell vista
3. Theoretically if the OS is refined, then it can be more efficient which means it can do things faster and better.

  • 02.13.2006 8:03 AM PDT

Posted by: darthbob
I really doubt that Halo 2 PC will take advantage of DirectX 10, I mean, it runs great on Xbox, and it uses DirectX 8 on that!

The Xbox actually uses something BASED ON DirectX 8, rather than the library you used to have on your PC.

And why do you suppose that the team porting Halo 2 aren't going to improve the graphical quality? Or maybe take advantage of a possible new sound library? Or even use a new networking library to improve the internet experience?

I don't know what the porting team have planned, and neither do you. All I know is that they know a hell of a lot more about what they have planned than any of us do. So don't try to second-guess them.

  • 02.13.2006 9:47 AM PDT
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I had a 'top of the line' box when HPC first dropped and now I have to turn down to 640x480, medium textures, low particle density, no specular effects, etc. Now we come to H2.

H2 - a game that from time to time even graphically lags on the xbox. And we want to run it on an OS that can only operate in a single CPU, 32-bit environment?

No people. I'll say it for the last time. H2PC will be multi-threaded and possibly even 64 bit. The handwriting has been on the wall for awhile now. Processing power can develop no further linearly. Megahertz don't mean jack. MHz is being replaced by 64-bit and dual cores (and, within the next few years, quad-cores). This is why Steve Jobs announced Apple was switching to Intel chips - because PowerPC was still developing chips using the old Megahertz theory.

Windows XP won't support a 64-bit, multithreaded game. It wasn't designed to and it can't be converted to do it. Windows Vista will. So, in order to make it so that you won't need an FX-57 and two GeForce 7800 GTXs in an SLi with 2 GB of Low-Latency DDR OC'ed, the team will use multi-threaded programming.

Oh yeah, and H2PC will look nicer than H2 on XBOX.

Windows 95, 98, 2000, ME, XP (2001).... What's the time delay between each of those? Three years - tops. Windows XP is five years old. It had a good run.

  • 02.13.2006 10:55 AM PDT
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DX10 = Vista only...end of story.

As it stands right now, any game utilizing DX10 will be Vista only. DX10 will not run on XP. DX10 is top of the line for game development, what would you do if you were a game developer starting a new project?

You are giving H2 too much credit here. The number of people that will purchase Vista to play H2PC will be an extremely small percentage (I would guess less than 1%) of the overall PC users running a Windows OS. I'm sure it played a factor in the decision, but overall this appears to be a technical decision to use the best available development platform.

One other note: Even if they had decided to make H2 a DX9 game, you most likely would still have to upgrade your PC to play it.

[Edited on 2/13/2006]

  • 02.13.2006 2:42 PM PDT

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Its another marketing ploy! Open your eyes people! Microsoft is using Halo 2 as a carrot dangling above Windows Vista.

There have been games FAR more advanced that run perfectly on XP, and the Xbox is no magical machine... My current PC with XP can run circles around the Xbox 360 even. So don't bother with the "Vista is the only platform" nonsense.

We're talking Halo 2 here. The game that ran flawlessly on Xbox for a year and a half now.

  • 02.13.2006 6:00 PM PDT
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Tell you what.

Lets all wait and see what the outcome is.

To make it worth being on vista only, its going to have to take advantage of all inspire said.

Therefore, Im expecting something really really special, something that blows Halflife 2, battlefield 2, and the rest clean out of the water.

If it doesnt impress, then they have missed a whopping great chance.

  • 02.14.2006 3:00 AM PDT
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this halo 2 subject is getting a lot of contraversy....
just wait till the vista os comes out and then the came and then you could wine about it as long as you want...
focus on the present not the future

(BTW vista is gonna replace xp as the standard os on modern comps... get over it)

  • 02.14.2006 8:44 AM PDT
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to what toxic lag said about halo pc being horrible, the only thing that is bad about it is that halo 1 was not made for online play and neither was the netcode and so in multiplayer you have to lead and whatnot, otherwise it runs just fine on story mode, i have a geforce 5500 fx and it runs at full settings on 800x600 if i run it in directx8 mode.

  • 02.14.2006 8:57 AM PDT

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