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Subject: Halo Legends: The Package...errors?

1) There has only been one Nova Bomb in existence, and that was used after the Fall of Reach. Don't think a Prowler even HAS that many nukes, and if so, that would kinda defeat the purpose of said Prowler.

2) Still, if they were made for "that specific mission", then I'm pretty sure the UNSC would have made more of them if they were that successful, no?

3) My point with this one is that Solomon was so quick to go forth with it that he didn't even ask his CO about it first, and then ignored Kelly's pleas to wait for the Chief. Seems a little odd...

4) Guess I shouldn't have even said this one, because it's the only one everyone else cares about and the one I care about the least, I just thought bullets couldn't be fired in space, my bad everybody. -blam!- dude.

5) I had forgotten about the Shiela thing, you are correct. As for Anders, or Johnson, they were taken prisoner because they knew how to activate Forerunner technology, which the Covenant could not activate(I know Johnson was a prisoner, but that's because Truth knew he was capable of activating the rings).

6) High Charity is the capital city and houses all of the species, and Unyielding Hierophant was a space station for the Covenant, in which hundreds of ships could dock, so it makes sense that there would be Brutes and Elites there together. This isn't something that is really debatable: Brutes and Elites hate each other, and Elites would not have Brutes on their ship for fear of mutiny and inability to control the pack. Space Stations and "Homeworlds" aside, they don't reside on the same ship.

7) It's like a magnetic field which shapes ionized gas, that way, they can cut through anything. However, that proves my point: it isn't solid, so they can't deflect bullets.

8) I don't really care...

  • 06.14.2011 10:18 AM PDT


Posted by: jack0fhearts
They don't "destroy" it, but a gauss cannon, even in those numbers (though what were there, 3?) should not be able to blow a hole in a Covenant CCS Battlecruiser hulls. It just should not be possible.


Um, Covenant hulls have never been shown to be very resiliant.

Also, the two gauss cannon shots hit HANGER BAY DOORS, not the hull. Easier to bust those open then to punch through the hull. + all the missiles impacting the same point...

  • 06.14.2011 10:59 AM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: fxnavarro

3. Still, Spartans don't do stupid. Going rebel when you're out of combat and able to make plans when in combat? Not such a bad idea. Going rouge while inside a Covenant ship? Incredibly stupid.
6. Good thing the Hierarchs would never order such a thing. Brutes do not serve on Elite ships and vice versa.
8. No, his "canon" armor for that time period would be similar if not exact to the MJOLNIR IV in Halo Wars.

  • 06.14.2011 5:21 PM PDT


Posted by: Three00Jews
Ok. So I'm a HUGE Halo Canon lover...but the Halo Legends episode: The Package is FULL of errors...like-it's kinda sad. And they worked with 343i on this?

1) When Chief asks what will happen if they fail, the captain states they will have no choice but to "Annihilate the Covenant fleet, the Package, and your entire team." This makes ABSOLUTELY no sense. How does a single UNSC ONI Prowler annihilate an entire Covenant fleet, complete with multiple CCS Battlecruisers AND a Flagship? According to First Strike, Prowlers just drop Nuclear Mines before battles and stuff. How does a single Prowler do what he says they will do?

2) The Booster Frames. Some of the top UNSC officials even commented(in Ghosts of Onyx) that the cost of creating Mjolnir armor could fund an entire battle group. Also, the only reason the UNSC really loses is because they get destroyed in space. If a UNSC MAC gun can't even destroy some Covenant ships, how do 5 single X-Wing fighter type, single manned ships destroy entire ships? Like there are more weapons on those damn things than in an entire UNSC Battle Group. Did you SEE those MAC guns on them?

3) When Solomon thinks he has a reading and decides to go in alone. Kelly tells him to wait and he ignores her. This is incredibly wrong, as Spartans were trained with the most rigorous military discipline. Disobeying orders or a commanding officer is STRICTLY something Spartans do not do.

4) The Booster Frames shoot bullets. In space. Bullets can't shoot in space. (At least I think...)

5) The Package itself. Is a human. The Covenant take NO prisoners, which means they would have never captured Dr.Halsey, they would have just killed her. Also, I don't think Halsey was ever off of the planet Reach except for when she went to meet the Spartans when they were kids(not entirely sure, but I think this is true). Therefore, it isn't possible for her to even encounter the Covenant personally until Reach, which happens long after this episode. And also, there is no reason for the Covenant to keep her because aside from "Demons", they don't know of any specific humans, and, supposedly, some can't even tell human genders apart.

Also, Dr.Halsey is younger than Chief in this episode. Possibly an artistic choice, but one that makes ABSOLUTELY no sense. I'll let you figure this one out.

6) The crew of the Flagship. The crew is made up of both Brutes and Elites. This never happens on a Covenant ship as both races hate each other. Elites would never let Brute savages onto their ship for multiple reasons, and we all know what they are. Brutes have their own ships(hardly, but still), so there would be no Brutes to kill.

Also, some of the Grunts have Plasma Rifles. Umm...

Also, the Major's two Elite comrades both have swords, but their armor is that of a Minor. Owning a Plasma Sword shows you have achieved a high rank, are incredibly skilled and have lots of honor, something Elite Minor's don't have. They would have Plasma Pistols, probably, but not swords. The Major? Yes. Minors? No.

7) The Major's sword deflects an entire clip of AR bullets. Plasma isn't a solid object, it can't deflect solid bullets. Maybe the handle could, but then the Major's hand would have gotten shot and you would have seen his shields flare.

8) There is a 117 clearly on the front of his armor...he never had that. The whole 117 thing is the # he was in the identification process-he was 117/150. Many people didn't even use the 117 when talking to/about him, except for his CO's. Like-they would use Sierra 117, but otherwise, it was Master Chief, or John.

Just...a few things I noticed XD


None of these are errors in the slightest, yeesh, I knew people didn't like Halo Legends but I didn't know it could get this bad :/

1. Prowlers have varying sizes, they're not all tiny little things, and seeing as this was a special mission it would be outfitted with armaments to make the captain's claim at least somewhat based in reality, the UNSC does have some very high-yield nukes at its disposal (especially earlier on in the war) and enough of them launched into the tightly packed Covenant ships would be enough to destroy quite a few of them. I the line was probably more exageration than fact though, much like Hood's line in Halo 2 about the fleet at Reach being fifty times the size of that at Earth.

2. What does the cost of Mjolner have to do with the Booster Frames? And unless we're talking about different videos here, the Booster Frames didn't destroy any Covenant ships at all. And they were nowhere near as well armed as you seem to think, they had a lot of missiles, a high-powered variant of the common Gauss (not a MAC gun) canon, and a couple machine guns on the wings, that's it. The only ships they destroyed were Seraphs.

3. He doesn't ignore her, I believe his line is something along the lines of "there's no time" in response to her suggestion to wait for Chief. And I don't think Kelly was higher ranked than him or holding a more seniorative position on the team (not really enough to order him around anyway). The positions of leader would be Chief as Team Leader, and then Fred would be the most likely candidate for second in command as he often led his own team.

4. Nothing to say here since other people have already explained it and you already conceded it.

5. We've known for a very long time that that is complete and utter bull--blam!-. The Covenant take prisoners ALL the time. Especially if it's someone they know would be important such as Halsey, Keyes, and Colonel Ackerson. Heck they ever take prisoners even they know they're not important, such as several squads of marines in both Halo 2 and 3, the marines with Keyes on the Truth and Reconciliation in CE, and probably other instances I'm possibly forgetting.

As for Halsey's appearance, yes, that was just artistic license.

6. The only Elites we actually see in the episode are on the bridge then entire time except for when the Major and his two guards go to confront Chief, Fred, and Kelly. And I don't think it would really be a significant problem having them on the same ship, happened on High Charity, and the relations between Elites and Brutes are practically same as Grunts and Jackals, yet those two are always on ships together. But really both Brutes and Elites will do what the Prophets tell them to (if perhaps grudgingly at best on the Elite's part).

I don't remember seeing any Grunts wielding Plasma Rifles, care to elaborate on what part you're talking about specifically that shows them with that weapon? And if they actually are holding Plasma Rifles I would just attribute it to artistic license.

And wielding a sword is not dependent on rank at all the Elites are all about skill and ability (among others we're all familiar with), thus a swordsman can be of any rank.

7. If the swords were not solid, or semi-solid then they would not have sort of cutting power to them at all, and they certainly would "clash" with each other like in the games. The energy swords are similar to the Jackal shields or the shielding systems on Mjolner, IE more like solid objects than the bolts of plasma fired by the Covenat weaponry.

8. So what? Artistic license that is entirely plausible, it's probably mostly though so the fans can identify Chief at a glance. In reality there is nothing at all wrong with him bearing his numerical disignation on his armor, especially since he has been referred to as Spartan-117 before in Halo lore.

There you go, easy explanations for your supposed "errors" in the story.

  • 06.14.2011 8:23 PM PDT


Posted by: Sigma617
^^^ not buying any of that. The Package did a pretty good job of chewing up Canon no matter how you cut it.


Not buying this. I've seen this line tossed around so much it just fails now.

It reeks of "I don't feel like thinking about it, therefore it ruins canon no matter what is said, and no matter what logical explanations are brought up."

Nearly all of legends "canon breakers" are artistic license only.

  • 06.14.2011 8:45 PM PDT


Posted by: Sigma617
^^^ not buying any of that. The Package did a pretty good job of chewing up Canon no matter how you cut it.

She me ONE thing. Coma proved all the BS wrong. Show me some more BS.

  • 06.14.2011 8:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Posted by: Tipaa

Posted by: TheGreenAlloy
8) How can you know? Have you seen his Mk. IV?

Halo Wars?

Master Chief was not included in the Halo Wars campaign.

every single spartan recieved mark iv.

  • 06.14.2011 8:53 PM PDT

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I can't find the article but Booster Frames have been used for more than one mission and they're classified as ammunition and not vehicles. Also, that line might have been there to put presure on the spartans. Also, the brutes might have been there in case the spartans found the right ship.

[Edited on 06.14.2011 9:05 PM PDT]

  • 06.14.2011 9:01 PM PDT


Posted by: sa7anicBarracuda

Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Posted by: Tipaa

Posted by: TheGreenAlloy
8) How can you know? Have you seen his Mk. IV?

Halo Wars?

Master Chief was not included in the Halo Wars campaign.

every single spartan recieved mark iv.


On the front of the new TFoR you see Master Chief in Canon Mk IV with 117 on his chest but it's not as obvious as it was in The Package.

  • 06.14.2011 9:04 PM PDT

Um... you do know MJOLNIR armor is not labeled by it's looks, it's by what it does?

Mark IV can have many appearances, but since they all do the same thing they are all Mark IV.

  • 06.14.2011 9:07 PM PDT

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Its no secret amongst us that Legends and particularly The Package is rife with canon errors, head scratchers and just plain bad writing. Origins was an amazing experience, but all of the other episodes in the Legends series were either pretty bad or very bad.

I've gotten over The Package now, but I still remember being incredibly annoyed and disappointed by the amount of artistic liberty and easy to avoid errors in the animation.

In short; The Package doesn't make any sense and dilutes the quality of the Halo franchise.

  • 06.14.2011 10:16 PM PDT

I am One One Seven.

I just want to say, I thought I was the only person that disliked that story... SO MUCH. from the very beginning, I finished it scratching my head going wtf? so many errors.

  • 06.14.2011 10:28 PM PDT

The strongest Rivals are also the strongest allies.

booster frames were between the shields and the ships when firing upon them?

Bullets work fine in space.

grunts use plasma rifles in halo 2.

plasma melts bullets?

the 117 was used simply to identify him to the audiance.

  • 06.14.2011 10:50 PM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: OrderedComa

1. Uh, no. A UNSC Prowler is a class of ship, and as such has one size; 530 ft long. We don't see varying sizes of CCS Battlecruisers, do we? The ship in The Package is an ONI PRO-49776, and as stated by Frankie, is not a Prowler.

But here's where it gets interesting. The PRO-49776 has energy weapons. It's speculated that it uses pulse lasers. Now, why in the hell would a UNSC ship have energy weapons, and not utilize that in the coming battles? At this point in the known UNSC history, plasma weapons were completely unused by the UNSC due to lack of technological understanding.

Now, as for a single UNSC ship destroying the Covenant fleet, do you know how many ships were in the Third Fleet of Glorious Consequence? Over thirteen ships. While that may seem small, those odds are extremely against the ONI ship in question. Even with a nuke - which this ship is unlisted as having - 13 ships would obliterate the ONI ship before any significant damage could be done to the fleet.

3. Regardless, Solomon wouldn't have gone charging in alone. Spartan II's didn't do "lone wolf," they worked as a squad. The only reason John-117 does "lone wolf" is because he's practically the last available Spartan II.

6. No. Elites wouldn't stand for having Brutes on their ships, even as low-ranking foot-soldiers. In the same manner, Brutes wouldn't have Elites on their fleet ships, as they viewed the Elites as too "weak." It is very likely that the creator of The Package was simply wanting to show that the Elites were superior in rank and class to the Brutes, but he just succeeded in snubbing canon.

As for the sword?

Elites are very skilled in most weapons such as plasma rifle and carbine, and hand-to-hand combat. One interesting example of this martial focus is that only aristocrats are allowed to wield swords and that sword-wielders are then no longer eligible for marriage; however, they may breed with any female they choose, married or otherwise, to ensure successful transmission of "swordsman" genes.


Only in The Package do we see Minors carry swords. Minors are described as "The most common and least experienced Sangheili." This would not be an aristocrat. Given the nature of their culture, a Swordsman would likely be promoted immediately to a Major at least.

7. Did you know that water can cut? We also use plasma cutters. Both are not solids, yet are able to cut metal with ease. What causes the swords to "clash" is likely a conflict in the magnetic fields stabilizing the projected plasma.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Um... you do know MJOLNIR armor is not labeled by it's looks, it's by what it does?
Mark IV can have many appearances, but since they all do the same thing they are all Mark IV.

Not really, no. I feel like we've been explaining this so many times, and yet it's not being heard. The Mark IV has one canonical appearance; Halo Wars. On the cover of The Cole Protocol the Mark IV show is more likely than not heavily represented with artistic license. It suggests that Grey Team was able to modify their armor, but it would always be based on the Mark IV as seen in Halo Wars.

Yes, the armor is classified based on the technology, but the UNSC isn't matchmaking. The different Marks of MJOLNIR had distinguished and uniform looks. They're military, not mercenaries.

MJOLNIR Mark IV

[Edited on 06.14.2011 11:59 PM PDT]

  • 06.14.2011 10:54 PM PDT

The Package was an abomination to canon is all.

  • 06.14.2011 11:22 PM PDT

Posted by: jack0fhearts
1. Uh, no. A UNSC Prowler is a class of ship, and as such has one size; 530 ft long. We don't see varying sizes of CCS Battlecruisers, do we? The ship in The Package is an ONI PRO-49776, and as stated by Frankie, is not a Prowler.

But here's where it gets interesting. The PRO-49776 has energy weapons. It's speculated that it uses pulse lasers. Now, why in the hell would a UNSC ship have energy weapons, and not utilize that in the coming battles? At this point in the known UNSC history, plasma weapons were completely unused by the UNSC due to lack of technological understanding.

Now, as for a single UNSC ship destroying the Covenant fleet, do you know how many ships were in the Third Fleet of Glorious Consequence? Over thirteen ships. While that may seem small, those odds are extremely against the ONI ship in question. Even with a nuke - which this ship is unlisted as having - 13 ships would obliterate the ONI ship before any significant damage could be done to the fleet.

3. Regardless, Solomon wouldn't have gone charging in alone. Spartan II's didn't do "lone wolf," they worked as a squad. The only reason John-117 does "lone wolf" is because he's practically the last available Spartan II.

6. No. Elites wouldn't stand for having Brutes on their ships, even as low-ranking foot-soldiers. In the same manner, Brutes wouldn't have Elites on their fleet ships, as they viewed the Elites as too "weak." It is very likely that the creator of The Package was simply wanting to show that the Elites were superior in rank and class to the Brutes, but he just succeeded in snubbing canon.

As for the sword?

Only in The Package do we see Minors carry swords. Minors are described as "The most common and least experienced Sangheili." This would not be an aristocrat. Given the nature of their culture, a Swordsman would likely be promoted immediately to a Major at least.

7. Did you know that water can cut? We also use plasma cutters. Both are not solids, yet are able to cut metal with ease. What causes the swords to "clash" is likely a conflict in the magnetic fields stabilizing the projected plasma.


1. Then explain why Grey Team would be given one? And why the ONI headquarters Point of no Return is classed as a Prowler. It may not specifically be a Prowler, but it is definitely in the same family, it looks exactly like one.

The UNSC has been experimenting with plasma based since technology as late as 2531 (Rhino in Halo Wars), the episode the Package takes place in 2544, how do you know they stopped experimenting or found something workable on a small scale such as the lasers on the ship? And since this ship isn't really a Prowler and also has cloaking technology more similar to Active Camo than other UNSC incarnations of invisibility, I think it likely that the ship is a modified varient of the Prowler using either experimental tech or using technology that is in field testing before being made widely used.

And fielding new technology in a war spanning multiple systems is no easy feat, even if the UNSC did invent workable plasma technology there is no way they would be able to widely field it or implement it on all of their ships that late into the war. Especially since a great deal of their resources for ship building have been cut off.

Since it seems that you missed it, I said the line was most likely an exaggeration like Hood's line about Regret's fleet in Halo 2. And remember, the ship is pretty much invisible when it has it's cloak active, it is not an impossible feat to get up in there and lay a bunch of mines or launch high yield nukes into the fleet and bugger out of there before getting nailed. And on top of that, it's also comparatively small in comparison to the Covenant ships, do you have any idea how much harder it is to hit something small like that if you're in a much bigger ship? That's you send out fighters and the like to take them out.

3. He had Kelly backing him up, and besides which, just because they work in teams most often does not mean that there are not times when they work alone.

6. The only Elites we actually see in the episode are the Shipmaster, the Elite with the Assault Harness, Lodamee, and Lodamee's two guys. And in any case, if that is how Prophets assign a mission, or if a Prophet brings Brutes or Elites in his retinue to a fleet of the other species, they have no choice but to suck it up. Really there are any number of explanations and this is not a canon error in any way shape or form.

And what classifies an Aristocrat, hmm?

It doesn't say, so you can't say that a Minor can't wield a sword. An aristocrat is a station determined by birth (usually), that would not exclude a Minor. And quite frankly the armor of Lodamee's two guys looked more like Spec-Ops if you ask me.

Actually knowing how Sangheili culture works, I don't think a Swordsman would receive any sort of instant promotions, they may rank up more quickly, but they would have to start at the bottom like all others.

7. I know that water can "cut" things, and I know there are plasma torches as well, neither cut like the energy sword does however...and that would be like a solid object would. The Energy Sword's blade is designed to work like a solid at best, at worst it's a semi-solid.

  • 06.17.2011 3:49 PM PDT

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A little off topic, but... well, the problem i had with legends was it basically -blam!- all over the canon and existing spartan II lore. They went from silent, vigilant supersoldiers to girls with 2 meter golden hair or teddy bears stuck to their armour.

And the ODST sniper was a 13 year old.

And that frankly ridiculous non-canon Spartan L337 one...

...bleurgh.

  • 06.17.2011 8:22 PM PDT

In memory of those fallen in the defense of Earth and her colonies.

March 3, 2553

I hate Halo legends. Its overally asian inspired.

  • 06.17.2011 8:46 PM PDT

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tenn' Ambar-metta!

In first strike the M.Chief states he never encountered a Brute before and his first encounter he barely survived. In the package he faced several Brutes with no problem at all.

But again 343 doesn't care about canon. Again it's mentioned several times through the novels that Spartans think it's suicidal or nearly impossible to board a Covenant warship and still in the package they board in the mist of several Covenant warships with barely a problem.

343 it's gonna bring down the Halo franchise.

  • 06.17.2011 8:53 PM PDT

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It's been retconed quite a long time ago.


Posted by: MasterSin
In first strike the M.Chief states he never encountered a Brute before and his first encounter he barely survived. In the package he faced several Brutes with no problem at all.

But again 343 doesn't care about canon. Again it's mentioned several times through the novels that Spartans think it's suicidal or nearly impossible to board a Covenant warship and still in the package they board in the mist of several Covenant warships with barely a problem.

343 it's gonna bring down the Halo franchise.

They used modular technology against them, if it weren't for those elites who slowed down Fred, they would all have died.

  • 06.17.2011 9:02 PM PDT

"Living in the past is a luxury none of us can afford..."
"I know what the ladies like..."

Most of the episodes broke, raped, ignored, or took a turd on existing canon. :C And Microsoft is letting the people in charge of overlooking the development of these episodes continue the Halo story. D:

  • 06.17.2011 10:41 PM PDT


Posted by: MasterSin
In first strike the M.Chief states he never encountered a Brute before and his first encounter he barely survived. In the package he faced several Brutes with no problem at all.

But again 343 doesn't care about canon. Again it's mentioned several times through the novels that Spartans think it's suicidal or nearly impossible to board a Covenant warship and still in the package they board in the mist of several Covenant warships with barely a problem.

343 it's gonna bring down the Halo franchise.


Brutes have been encountered all throughout the war, so that being their first encounter with UNSC forces has since been retconned. Whether or not that is still meant to be Chief's first encounter with the Jiralhanae, I don't know for certain since I haven't read the reissued First Strike yet. I'd imagine he has encountered or at the very least seen Brutes before. And Chief didn't really engage any of the Brutes in the Package, it was just running down hallways shooting them.

Funny, I don't ever remember a Spartan ever saying or thinking anything like that. And we have several instances of Spartans either boarding or hijacking Covenant ships before Halo Legends came out, so your point here is moot. To list the instances, we have the Truth and Reconciliation in CE, the Ascendant Justice in First Strike, and the Bloodied Spirit in Ghosts of Onyx. Oh, and when Kelly, John, and Sam boarded that Covenant ship in the Fall of Reach.
...But I guess all those instances don't count since they must be breaking canon >_> /sarcasm

If you have any doubts about 343i's abilities then just go read Halo Evolutions.

  • 06.19.2011 10:00 AM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: OrderedComa

1. Grey Team was a specialized Spartan II team. I don't see any reason why they wouldn't be able to request a Prowler, and I don't see why this has any bearing on the discussion at all. The UNSC Point of No Return is a stealth cruiser in the United Nations Space Command's Office of Naval Intelligence. While technically a Prowler (I assume in function) it is the largest ever built. I imagine this is something similar to a Sniper Rifle and an Assault Rifle both being Rifles, yet one is more specialized than the other. Ironically, it is the most advanced, yet doesn't have laser weapons.

Experimenting with Laser technology doesn't mean perfecting it. Anders was one of the only ones who really succeeded with utilizing and reverse-engineering Covenant weapons, and guess where all of her work and notes are? Lost with the Spirit of Fire. If by 2544 they had perfected plasma weapons to that level - and remember, the Rhinos were very crude - you would think that more ships would have been outfitted with them by 2552.

Now, as for an exaggeration, you're damn right it is. Not only is it an exaggeration, it was greatly uncalled for; a typical "Anime Muscle Flex." What Lord Hood said ("The fleet that attacked Reach was fifty times this size,") was a) A guess, and b) more accurate than some bluff. There were at least three fleets that attacked Reach, the Fleet of Particular Justice containing 314 ships. There were only 15 ships in Regret's fleet that attacked Earth.

3. I don't care what the justifications are, I really don't. It was a stupid action that someone trained vigorously since the age of six would not have done. I see it as inexcusable.

6. No, even at this point Truth was trying to divide the Covenant. The rivalry between the Brutes and the Elites was kept going even in 2535, as read in The Cole Protocol. They would not have been on the same ship, or even in the same fleet.

What classifies an Aristocrat? Well, we know an Aristocrat in human society to be a Noble, so it's safely assumed that Elite Aristocrats are those who are more skilled than others, as they are a military race. As such a Minor - the most common and least experienced Sangheili - would not be an Aristocrat. They are common.

7. No, the Energy Sword doesn't cut like something "solid" exactly. It cuts like a lightsaber would, burning or melting through resistance, not displacing the matter physically.

Posted by: The Dutchman
And the ODST sniper was a 13 year old.

Seriously? He was literally 13? Yeah, that just takes a big dump over not only canon but military regulations...

Posted by: OrderedComa
Funny, I don't ever remember a Spartan ever saying or thinking anything like that.

Read the Fall of Reach. They were immensely nervous about boarding a Covenant ship in space. Yet in The Package they're so gung-ho it's completely uncharacteristic.

  • 06.19.2011 11:05 AM PDT

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