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Poll: Who's intentions are more innocent?  [closed]
The Precursors:  6%
(1 Votes)
The Forerunners:  0%
(0 Votes)
The Flood:  33%
(6 Votes)
The Covenant:  0%
(0 Votes)
ONI:  6%
(1 Votes)
Master Chief :  44%
(8 Votes)
Mixed, Explain:  6%
(1 Votes)
Other or None, Explain:  6%
(1 Votes)
Total Votes: 18

So I honestly think the Precursors were just chillin' one day, you know, just creatin' life and such.

Then again the Forerunner's basically took the part of Jesus and sacrificed themselves for all of the other species to live...i bet the respawned 3 days later, just a thought.

Pre-historic Humans were just being human.. making war, makin' slaves do the work, you know.. racism.

The Flood was just trying to be god! What's wrong with this?

I know i know!! I know the story behind the wars and who started it and why and technically everyone had a good side and a bad side. But if you think about the fact that the covenant love calling MC a demon.. well MC IS in fact killing everyone...takin' orders and such.. killing everyone by himself with his such luck. I've read a thread where MC was depicted as the bad guy and it seemed pretty legit.

Who are the TRUE good guys, are they even alive?
Who is the TRUE evil, what exactly are we fighting against?
Who are we fighting for when we play as MC.. are we following orders.. or are we doing what we think MC thinks is right?

I wanna know what you guys think b/c after playing Halo 2 I've always wondered who the real bad guys were. I mean at that point it seemed like the Flood but now all i hear is this talk of the Forerunners being our next enemy.

  • 06.14.2011 1:26 PM PDT

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I don't see the UNSC on the list.

Oh, the ONI?

HAHAHA.

-blam!- those spooks.

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Posted by: LIL Smurf DOGG
I don't see the UNSC on the list.

Oh, the ONI?

HAHAHA.

-blam!- those spooks.

^this guy

  • 06.14.2011 1:34 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

The Flood. All they want is to exist.

  • 06.14.2011 1:38 PM PDT

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SOMONE SHOW ME CANON EVIDENCE THAT PRECURSORS CREATE LIFE PLEASE!
I have not found a single piece of evidence suggesting so, other than the flood and viewing Forerunners as their legacy... NOT CRITICISING OP jus genuinly haven't found evidence they are a 'god' like race - just a super advanced one.

  • 06.14.2011 1:40 PM PDT

"Defiant Reclaimer, he who will shatter the land and break the sky apart..."

Poor grunts :(

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: SparD
SOMONE SHOW ME CANON EVIDENCE THAT PRECURSORS CREATE LIFE PLEASE!


They didn't create the flood as of canon right now.

according to the prisoner precursors created forerunners, so humanity must have been created by one of the two at some point.

Precursors were said to spread life across the galaxy, like sea scorpions on earth and other worlds.

  • 06.14.2011 1:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: SparD
SOMONE SHOW ME CANON EVIDENCE THAT PRECURSORS CREATE LIFE PLEASE!
I have not found a single piece of evidence suggesting so, other than the flood and viewing Forerunners as their legacy... NOT CRITICISING OP jus genuinly haven't found evidence they are a 'god' like race - just a super advanced one.


"We meet again, young one. I am the last of those who gave you breath and shape and form, millions of years ago. I am the last of those your kind rose up against and ruthlessly destroyed. I am the last Precursor. And our answer is at hand."

The Prisoner talking to the Didact.

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Posted by: SparD
SOMONE SHOW ME CANON EVIDENCE THAT PRECURSORS CREATE LIFE PLEASE!
I have not found a single piece of evidence suggesting so, other than the flood and viewing Forerunners as their legacy... NOT CRITICISING OP jus genuinly haven't found evidence they are a 'god' like race - just a super advanced one.


"We meet again, young one. I am the last of those who gave you breath and shape and form, millions of years ago. I am the last of those your kind rose up against and ruthlessly destroyed. I am the last Precursor. And our answer is at hand."
-The Timeless One speaking to the Didact

  • 06.14.2011 1:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: SparD
SOMONE SHOW ME CANON EVIDENCE THAT PRECURSORS CREATE LIFE PLEASE!


They didn't create the flood as of canon right now.

according to the prisoner precursors created forerunners, so humanity must have been created by one of the two at some point.

Precursors were said to spread life across the galaxy, like sea scorpions on earth and other worlds.


Thanks for that, however is it canon the prisoner is a precursor? He could be lying or gravemind related. (Although i too believe his words.) I dont think he is a canon precursor, also the spreading of life doesn't mean creating it does it? The Forerunners 'spread' life through seeding.

Also that doesn't mean that human life was created by Precursors at all? The canon states they can accelerate inelligent life not neccessarily create it.

[Edited on 06.14.2011 2:05 PM PDT]

  • 06.14.2011 1:46 PM PDT

The Flood are just existing. They need to infect other speacies to survive, if they don't they'll go extinct.

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Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
The Flood are just existing. They need to infect other speacies to survive, if they don't they'll go extinct.


Their excuse is survival in your words.

So if they're not the true evil.. who is?

Who has the full intentions of taking down this evil?

  • 06.14.2011 2:15 PM PDT


Posted by: Monitor117

Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
The Flood are just existing. They need to infect other speacies to survive, if they don't they'll go extinct.


Their excuse is survival in your words.

So if they're not the true evil.. who is?

Who has the full intentions of taking down this evil?


I would say that Gravemind is evil, but doesn't he control the flood? He's doing all the stuff it does to survive, but it also seems intelligent enough to know what he's doing, and he appears to take joy in killing others.

I guesse if each flood had their own identity/brain then they would be more innocent, but Gravemind is pretty darn evil and I believe he controls the Flood.

  • 06.14.2011 2:25 PM PDT

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I'd say Master Chief. He's only taking orders.

  • 06.14.2011 2:30 PM PDT

What a waste....

The flood. We have no real knowledge of the Precursors to tell of their innocence.

  • 06.14.2011 2:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Monitor117
Pre-historic Humans were just being human.. making war, makin' slaves do the work, you know.. racism.

Take your pernicious statements elsewhere please.

Posted by: Monitor117
I know i know!! I know the story behind the wars and who started it and why and technically everyone had a good side and a bad side. But if you think about the fact that the covenant love calling MC a demon.. well MC IS in fact killing everyone...takin' orders and such.. killing everyone by himself with his such luck. I've read a thread where MC was depicted as the bad guy and it seemed pretty legit.

Legit only to a person who believes the Covenant religion. Objectively speaking I cannot see how it could possibly be legit.

Posted by: Monitor117
Who is the TRUE evil, what exactly are we fighting against?

The Precursors.

They create this "Mantle" and offer no justification for its existence. They expect every single living thing in existence to follow it. It is essentially moral absolutism. The Precursors must have been an incredible naive race to think that there would be even moderate bloodshed in the acceptance of such a belief system. (If you want proof of this, go and try to persuade a religious person that your beliefs are the right one)

If not naive, then probably abuse of their knowledge and power into stirring the lower species into wars for malignant purposes. It would not really be surprising given that they create the Flood to punish an entire galaxy based on the actions of a single species.

Posted by: Monitor117
Who are we fighting for when we play as MC.. are we following orders.. or are we doing what we think MC thinks is right?

Following orders that the Master Chief think are right. On the whole, MC's orders are for the greater welfare of Humanity, who is being slaughtered in order to preserve a pitiful lie so that 3 people can retain their power.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Well anton we also have to consider that the mantle doesn't exist at all.

  • 06.14.2011 2:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
Well anton we also have to consider that the mantle doesn't exist at all.

Yeah. In which case that would frame the Forerunner.

I'm not really sure what to make of things just yet. I'm going to wait for the next book. There are so many things that could be possible but there is just not enough evidence for anything just yet.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: grey101
Well anton we also have to consider that the mantle doesn't exist at all.

Yeah. In which case that would frame the Forerunner.

I'm not really sure what to make of things just yet. I'm going to wait for the next book. There are so many things that could be possible but there is just not enough evidence for anything just yet.


same here, which is why i am avoiding any debate based with the gravemind "never dying".

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I agree with you anton to an extent but grey101 brings a good point.


Posted by: Thomsn0w
I'd say Master Chief. He's only taking orders.


Who is he taking orders from now?.. now the pong ball is on your side of the table :P

[Edited on 06.14.2011 2:58 PM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Monitor117
I agree with you anton to an extent but grey101 brings a good point.


Posted by: Thomsn0w
I'd say Master Chief. He's only taking orders.


Who is he taking orders from now?.. now the pong ball is on your side of the table :P


Soon he is going to be taking orders from a forerunner.

I would seriously spam anton into a party if i am right and a didact 3.0 will be in halo 4 or he has a son that lives, or if bornstellers siblings survive.


what a second... could filial devotion be bornstellers brother???

  • 06.14.2011 3:01 PM PDT
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The Flood.

Everyone depicts them as some evil horde of monsters, yet they are just a species who is trying to survive, regardless if they were created by the Precursors. Is this not why the humans continued their war against the Covenant despite all odds... for survival?

  • 06.14.2011 3:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
I would seriously spam anton into a party if i am right

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Posted by: Monitor117
I agree with you anton to an extent but grey101 brings a good point.


Posted by: Thomsn0w
I'd say Master Chief. He's only taking orders.


Who is he taking orders from now?.. now the pong ball is on your side of the table :P


Soon he is going to be taking orders from a forerunner.

I would seriously spam anton into a party if i am right and a didact 3.0 will be in halo 4 or he has a son that lives, or if bornstellers siblings survive.


what a second... could filial devotion be bornstellers brother???


I like this guy, he's good at ping pong.

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Posted by: Monitor117
So I honestly think the Precursors were just chillin' one day, you know, just creatin' life and such.

Then again the Forerunner's basically took the part of Jesus and sacrificed themselves for all of the other species to live...i bet the respawned 3 days later, just a thought.

Pre-historic Humans were just being human.. making war, makin' slaves do the work, you know.. racism.

The Flood was just trying to be god! What's wrong with this?

I know i know!! I know the story behind the wars and who started it and why and technically everyone had a good side and a bad side. But if you think about the fact that the covenant love calling MC a demon.. well MC IS in fact killing everyone...takin' orders and such.. killing everyone by himself with his such luck. I've read a thread where MC was depicted as the bad guy and it seemed pretty legit.

Who are the TRUE good guys, are they even alive?
Who is the TRUE evil, what exactly are we fighting against?
Who are we fighting for when we play as MC.. are we following orders.. or are we doing what we think MC thinks is right?

I wanna know what you guys think b/c after playing Halo 2 I've always wondered who the real bad guys were. I mean at that point it seemed like the Flood but now all i hear is this talk of the Forerunners being our next enemy.



Maybe there are no good guys or bad guys. Just interests. As the Chief, you are all about advancing humanity's interests. Its all a big game, except the losing species go extinct.

  • 06.14.2011 3:23 PM PDT

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