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Subject: Marathon and Halo Universe Connected

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Now I want you to say you were wrong so we can all move on.

  • 06.14.2011 2:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Monitor117
343 is just another way of representing the number "7".. who represents the number "7" better than anyone??? Bungie!
343 is just a way for Bungie to work for both microsoft AND playstation <--- Is that better?


You do realize Bungie is at Activison and they would be on the Xbox, PS3, and PC regardless if 343 existed or not?


Do you realize that reputation is everything? There is Bungie, and there is 343. Two big names for 2 big consoles.

I appreciate you following me wherever i go on the forums like a troll does but please don't assume i'm stupid.

I can't even remember the last time i called someone a retard. Herp Derp.

  • 06.14.2011 2:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Monitor117



So is he worse than Joshua or are they on the same level?


Now that, my friend, is a tricky one...

  • 06.14.2011 2:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Monitor117



So is he worse than Joshua or are they on the same level?


Now that, my friend, is a tricky one...


depending on how this goes i say slightly more reasonable. but we have to see.

  • 06.14.2011 2:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: Monitor117
I just told you!! Dude 343 has ex-Bungie employees! Freddie is a prime example of these conspiracy! For all you know Bungie and Microsoft have been planning together.


All of the former-Bungie employees at 343 were not involved with the Marathon series. Hell, by the time Halo 2 was released, the number of people at Bungie who had worked on the Marathon trilogy could be counted on one hand. Bungie has also stated multiple times that they are done with the Marathon and Halo universes and are working on an entirely new IP. Microsoft, by their own comments and as seen recently, is only concerned with the Halo property (not to mention that the rights to Marathon are retained by Bungie, and any Halo cross-over would require the purchase or contracting of those rights).

Additionally, to address the point you made earlier, the Marathon trilogy has been freeware for several years now. It isn't a recent occurrence. Furthermore, it has always been painfully obvious that the majority of Halo fans who have played the Marathon games, as well as the gaming pundits who comment of them, only understand the trilogy's plot on a rudimentary and entirely simplistic level.

While there are some cursory similarities between the two titles, they are at best only coincidental. Any devoted research of the Marathon canon will reveal a plethora of differences that make any tie-in with Halo absurd and wholly out-of-the-question. Even a simple search of these forums will give you several threads in which these differences are enumerated and discussed.

So no, the two universes aren't connected. There is ample evidence supporting this and any arguments to the counter only exist in ignorance of this.

  • 06.14.2011 2:47 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Monitor117

Do you realize that reputation is everything? There is Bungie, and there is 343. Two big names for 2 big consoles.



343 belongs to Microsoft and are the official Halo branch, they are not going anywhere but on the Xbox. Bungie is working with Activision to go multiplatform. Both companies have different games and own different IPs, 343/MS own Halo and Bungie own Marathon/Aerospace.

They are not the same. George Lucas has references to Indiana Jones in his Star Wars movies and vice versa, doesn't mean they share the same universe.

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Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Monitor117



So is he worse than Joshua or are they on the same level?


Now that, my friend, is a tricky one...


I wasn't here for Joshua but... what are your thoughts on Joshua?
I bet ONI saved him..



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Posted by: Placid Platypus
Posted by: Monitor117
I just told you!! Dude 343 has ex-Bungie employees! Freddie is a prime example of these conspiracy! For all you know Bungie and Microsoft have been planning together.


All of the former-Bungie employees at 343 were not involved with the Marathon series. Hell, by the time Halo 2 was released, the number of people at Bungie who had worked on the Marathon trilogy could be counted on one hand. Bungie has also stated multiple times that they are done with the Marathon and Halo universes and are working on an entirely new IP. Microsoft, by their own comments and as seen recently, is only concerned with the Halo property (not to mention that the rights to Marathon are retained by Bungie, and any Halo cross-over would require the purchase or contracting of those rights).

Additionally, to address the point you made earlier, the Marathon trilogy has been freeware for several years now. It isn't a recent occurrence. Furthermore, it has always been painfully obvious that the majority of Halo fans who have played the Marathon games, as well as the gaming pundits who comment of them, only understand the trilogy's plot on a rudimentary and entirely simplistic level.

While there are some cursory similarities between the two titles, they are at best only coincidental. Any devoted research of the Marathon canon will reveal a plethora of differences that make any tie-in with Halo absurd and wholly out-of-the-question. Even a simple search of these forums will give you several threads in which these differences are enumerated and discussed.

So no, the two universes aren't connected. There is ample evidence supporting this and any arguments to the counter only exist in ignorance of this.


It shouldn't matter whether they had anything to do with marathon or not. Freddie wasn't there for CE yet he's basically in control of the next Halo trilogy. Who's to say they are Bungie Ninjas. Spies!
But seriously.. bungie says, hey you're the president of this, just make sure this and that (just like the american government lmao) you can say they have the rights to this and they have the rights to that but they probably cooperate with each other on a level you don't even know about (aka ONI?)

It isn't like any of you work for Bungie.
That's really all I have to say. I'm not here to argue but to speculate and gain info from what you guys speculate. Every once in a while ill get some awesome troll like Wazooty (forgive me if you take offense to the "troll" comment) who will shed light on shadows and open your eyes.

  • 06.14.2011 2:55 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Monitor117


So you go from saying "Marathon=Halo" to a conspiracy theory and making fun of the American government. Kindly -blam!- off.

[Edited on 06.14.2011 2:57 PM PDT]

  • 06.14.2011 2:57 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

I'm still waiting for an explanation from the OP. The year 2194 was marked by the war between Icarus and Thermopylae in the Marathon universe, then in 2472, the Marathon Project was completed, and then was commissioned. Now where at all in the Halo canon is either of these significant events recorded?

For reference, the Marathon Project was a massive undertaking, involving the conversion of one of the moons of Mars, Deimos, into the UESC Marathon. If this was completed in 2472, how comes Mars is still very much Mars in the Halo universe?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Monitor117


So you go from saying "Marathon=Halo" to a conspiracy theory and making fun of the American government. Kindly -blam!- off.


Are you ok sir? I hope you're not serious.
The main speculation here is "Marathon=Halo", the conspiracy is a mix of joking speculation, that theory has no importance anywhere in these forums.. and neither does the Emerican government, which im not here to discuss. We all have our own opinions. My government teacher in high school hates our government yet he teached it with pride to help us overcome it when needed just like my science teacher first told us that most of what we know about science is only speculated. We didn't bust out an endless ruler and space walk it to jupiter to tell the world how far the distance was, we just used technology that has no 100% way to be proved correct. Why do you think using technology in court that isnt reconnaissance is frowned upon.

Don't get mad over forums.. we can all be civil adults here. Now.. if you're not an adult.. you should probably pick elsewhere to mature yourself sir.

  • 06.14.2011 3:04 PM PDT
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I'm sorry, i thought i explained this but i guess i forgot.

Posted by: ajw34307
I'm still waiting for an explanation from the OP. The year 2194 was marked by the war between Icarus and Thermopylae in the Marathon universe, then in 2472, the Marathon Project was completed, and then was commissioned. Now where at all in the Halo canon is either of these significant events recorded?

For reference, the Marathon Project was a massive undertaking, involving the conversion of one of the moons of Mars, Deimos, into the UESC Marathon. If this was completed in 2472, how comes Mars is still very much Mars in the Halo universe?


ONI is my explanation. What ONI doesn't tell us.. we don't know. Just like what Bungie doesn't tell us.. we don't know. Doesn't necessarily mean it's not true, just not proven.

  • 06.14.2011 3:06 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Monitor117
I'm sorry, i thought i explained this but i guess i forgot.

Posted by: ajw34307
I'm still waiting for an explanation from the OP. The year 2194 was marked by the war between Icarus and Thermopylae in the Marathon universe, then in 2472, the Marathon Project was completed, and then was commissioned. Now where at all in the Halo canon is either of these significant events recorded?

For reference, the Marathon Project was a massive undertaking, involving the conversion of one of the moons of Mars, Deimos, into the UESC Marathon. If this was completed in 2472, how comes Mars is still very much Mars in the Halo universe?


ONI is my explanation. What ONI doesn't tell us.. we don't know. Just like what Bungie doesn't tell us.. we don't know. Doesn't necessarily mean it's not true, just not proven.

That is a cop out. Besides, why wouldn't the UNSC call the Marathon the UNSC Marathon instead of the UESC Marathon? Please come up with a better theory because you can't just say "ONI did it".

  • 06.14.2011 3:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: Monitor117
I'm not here to argue but to speculate and gain info from what you guys speculate.


Speculate all you want, but there are some of us who are huge Marathon fans and have played the series since the '90s. We understand the plot and fully realize the inconsistencies between the two canons that prohibit a cross-over for ever being realized. Speculate all you want, but know that without doing any in depth research into either IP, your arguments are largely baseless.

  • 06.14.2011 3:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: Monitor117
I'm sorry, i thought i explained this but i guess i forgot.

Posted by: ajw34307
I'm still waiting for an explanation from the OP. The year 2194 was marked by the war between Icarus and Thermopylae in the Marathon universe, then in 2472, the Marathon Project was completed, and then was commissioned. Now where at all in the Halo canon is either of these significant events recorded?

For reference, the Marathon Project was a massive undertaking, involving the conversion of one of the moons of Mars, Deimos, into the UESC Marathon. If this was completed in 2472, how comes Mars is still very much Mars in the Halo universe?


ONI is my explanation. What ONI doesn't tell us.. we don't know. Just like what Bungie doesn't tell us.. we don't know. Doesn't necessarily mean it's not true, just not proven.


No, that is not an explanation. Kindly explain how Mars could still exist in the Halo universe if it was torn apart to make the UESC Marathon. You'd think that 23 billion humans would be in space and say "oh look, we've managed to lose a planet somehow".

So how could Dutch have grown up on Mars if it ceased to exist? Where was the UESC Marathon during the events of the Halo series, in the Marathon universe it's right where Mars should be. If these universes are the same then explain how any of this can happen.

  • 06.14.2011 3:14 PM PDT
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Bungie did it.

  • 06.14.2011 3:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: Monitor117
Bungie did it.


You're an idiot, any argument you make is invalid.

  • 06.14.2011 3:23 PM PDT

Isn't this the same guy who said Master Chief was god?

  • 06.14.2011 3:34 PM PDT

I'm slightly amused and at the same time saddened that so few people are interested in looking for an answer to the question of why Marathon and Halo can't be the same universe beyond "because Bungie said so". Particularly because there are precise contradictions which clearly illustrate that both stories cannot simultaneously coexist in one universe. The two most common and most damning contradictions are found in technologies unique to each universe.

Faster Than Light Travel
The first contradiction involves the technology of faster than light (FTL) travel. Everyone knows that in Halo, FTL travel is possible by using Slipspace. According to the Halo timeline, the Shaw-Fujikawa Translight Engine was created in 2291. By 2310 FTL travel was being used to start colonies. By 2390, colonization of the Inner Colonies was fully underway. By 2468, Outer Colonies were being settled. By 2490, the colonization boom was well underway and human space encompassed more than 800 worlds.

A quick study of Marathon's timeline will reveal a very different story. The conversion of Mars' moon Deimos into the Colony Ship Marathon began in 2408. It was completed 64 years later in 2472. It took the Marathon 300 years to travel from Sol to Tau Ceti (a distance of 12 light years). Obviously the Marathon was not equipped with FTL travel capability.

It is unconscionable that a colony ship would be built without FTL travel capability 117 years after the discovery of the FTL travel engine and during the golden age of FTL travel driven space exploration and colonization. Therefore it is not possible that the Halo and Marathon stories exist in the same universe.

Teleportation Technology
According to the Marathon timeline, teleporters began to be used in Sol as early as 2319. The Marathon, which was constructed from 2408 - 2472 was equipped with teleportation technology.

In the Halo universe teleportation technology was still unknown to humanity in 2552, 233 years after it was being used in Sol in the Marathon universe.

FTL travel and teleportation technologies are both unique to their respective universes and of primary importance in the telling of each story. These technological contradictions are irreconcilable, and therefore prove that the Marathon and Halo universes cannot be one in the same.

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Posted by: Sardonic13
I'm slightly amused and at the same time saddened that so few people are interested in looking for an answer to the question of why Marathon and Halo can't be the same universe beyond "because Bungie said so". Particularly because there are precise contradictions which clearly illustrate that both stories cannot simultaneously coexist in one universe. The two most common and most damning contradictions are found in technologies unique to each universe.

Faster Than Light Travel
The first contradiction involves the technology of faster than light (FTL) travel. Everyone knows that in Halo, FTL travel is possible by using Slipspace. According to the Halo timeline, the Shaw-Fujikawa Translight Engine was created in 2291. By 2310 FTL travel was being used to start colonies. By 2390, colonization of the Inner Colonies was fully underway. By 2468, Outer Colonies were being settled. By 2490, the colonization boom was well underway and human space encompassed more than 800 worlds.

A quick study of Marathon's timeline will reveal a very different story. The conversion of Mars' moon Deimos into the Colony Ship Marathon began in 2408. It was completed 64 years later in 2472. It took the Marathon 300 years to travel from Sol to Tau Ceti (a distance of 12 light years). Obviously the Marathon was not equipped with FTL travel capability.

It is unconscionable that a colony ship would be built without FTL travel capability 117 years after the discovery of the FTL travel engine and during the golden age of FTL travel driven space exploration and colonization. Therefore it is not possible that the Halo and Marathon stories exist in the same universe.

Teleportation Technology
According to the Marathon timeline, teleporters began to be used in Sol as early as 2319. The Marathon, which was constructed from 2408 - 2472 was equipped with teleportation technology.

In the Halo universe teleportation technology was still unknown to humanity in 2552, 233 years after it was being used in Sol in the Marathon universe.

FTL travel and teleportation technologies are both unique to their respective universes and of primary importance in the telling of each story. These technological contradictions are irreconcilable, and therefore prove that the Marathon and Halo universes cannot be one in the same.


Finally someone with a valid argument. Now we can save this to the archives so if ANYONE ever says Halo=Marathon.. we can just go back to this.


Kudos and thank you to Sardonic13

The rest of you just like to argue, none of you answered your own questions.

  • 06.14.2011 4:28 PM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
No, that is not an explanation. Kindly explain how Mars could still exist in the Halo universe if it was torn apart to make the UESC Marathon. You'd think that 23 billion humans would be in space and say "oh look, we've managed to lose a planet somehow".

So how could Dutch have grown up on Mars if it ceased to exist? Where was the UESC Marathon during the events of the Halo series, in the Marathon universe it's right where Mars should be. If these universes are the same then explain how any of this can happen.
It was not Mars that was transformed into the Marathon, but the Martian moon of Deimos. Mars is still in Sol in the Marathon Universe.

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Posted by: ajw34307
No, that is not an explanation. Kindly explain how Mars could still exist in the Halo universe if it was torn apart to make the UESC Marathon. You'd think that 23 billion humans would be in space and say "oh look, we've managed to lose a planet somehow".

So how could Dutch have grown up on Mars if it ceased to exist? Where was the UESC Marathon during the events of the Halo series, in the Marathon universe it's right where Mars should be. If these universes are the same then explain how any of this can happen.
It was not Mars that was transformed into the Marathon, but the Martian moon of Deimos. Mars is still in Sol in the Marathon Universe.

^This guy is win.

  • 06.14.2011 4:32 PM PDT


Posted by: Monitor117

Posted by: Sardonic13

Posted by: ajw34307
No, that is not an explanation. Kindly explain how Mars could still exist in the Halo universe if it was torn apart to make the UESC Marathon. You'd think that 23 billion humans would be in space and say "oh look, we've managed to lose a planet somehow".

So how could Dutch have grown up on Mars if it ceased to exist? Where was the UESC Marathon during the events of the Halo series, in the Marathon universe it's right where Mars should be. If these universes are the same then explain how any of this can happen.
It was not Mars that was transformed into the Marathon, but the Martian moon of Deimos. Mars is still in Sol in the Marathon Universe.

^This guy is win.
It is easy to see the distant horizon when standing on Hamish's shoulders. The person you should tip your hat to is 819.

[Edited on 06.14.2011 4:43 PM PDT]

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Posted by: ajw34307
No, that is not an explanation. Kindly explain how Mars could still exist in the Halo universe if it was torn apart to make the UESC Marathon. You'd think that 23 billion humans would be in space and say "oh look, we've managed to lose a planet somehow".

So how could Dutch have grown up on Mars if it ceased to exist? Where was the UESC Marathon during the events of the Halo series, in the Marathon universe it's right where Mars should be. If these universes are the same then explain how any of this can happen.
It was not Mars that was transformed into the Marathon, but the Martian moon of Deimos. Mars is still in Sol in the Marathon Universe.

^This guy is win.
It is easy to see the distant horizon when standing on Hamish's shoulders. The person you should tip your hat to is 819.


"Seven hundred and sixty one armless and legless corpses float inconspicuously around the inside of hangar ninety six. I say that they are inconspicuous because it is their arms and legs which demand my attention. I did this, or I could have stopped it. Which is it? It doesn't matter now. I did this and could have stopped it, but nothing in nature ever follows a gaussian curve. Sure, they'll tell you that it does. They say that every five minutes someone dies in a car accident, but how often are there seven hundred and sixty one armless and legless corpses in one hangar?"

I lol'd

  • 06.14.2011 4:48 PM PDT

"If I'm not back in five minutes... just wait longer."

Because Bungie likes to reference stuff they made? If I made a game, and then a different game, I'd have references, too. It's just easter eggs.

  • 06.14.2011 6:23 PM PDT

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