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Subject: Elite vs Predator.


Posted by: anton1792
I love the pathetic double standard that this forum has.

"The Flood in the games is not the "true" Flood so therefore it pawns everything. Just ignore the canon hierarchy"

But...

"The Stormtroopers/Predators in the movies do not portray them with such abilities and as per the fictions canon hierarchy they therefore do not have such abilities."


1) I don't recall ever seeing billions of Flood forms with hyper-advanced technology, along with sky-scraper sized super-pure forms in a single swarm, in any of the Halo games save the Terminals and Origins I...

You know, the true Flood

2) I don't think anyone says the Stormtroopers are actually that inaccurate. Plot shielding is a -blam!- to overcome. We all know that Stormtroopers are actually very dangerous. Unless you're the main character.

2.1) But the difference between the Preds and the Stormtroopers is the the troopers have been depicted in the movies to be excellent shots while fighting random Rebel troopers. They're only bad shots when the plot cant have someone die.

Preds, on the other hand, while definitely deadly, have consistently been proven to be bested by normal humans in hand to hand, and outsmarted by them on numerous occasions. I have never seen any evidence to suggest they are superior to the Elites.

  • 06.16.2011 12:54 PM PDT

If we are going to use elites from the future, we might as well use predators from the future and not the d5mn underpowered from the movies.

Remember the predators chose their armor and weaponry to give their opponent a chance to make the hunt more thrilling.
So if the predator where going to fight something like an elite it would have used much better technology than seen in the movies or any of the games.
And the ones in the games are pretty d5mn bad-5ss, they can take several rounds from an pulse rifle.

  • 06.16.2011 2:11 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
1) I don't recall ever seeing billions of Flood forms with hyper-advanced technology, along with sky-scraper sized super-pure forms in a single swarm, in any of the Halo games save the Terminals and Origins I...

You know, the true Flood


Um, yeah sure...

Even if they had 'hyper advanced tech' the flood in origins used jack squat of it.

  • 06.16.2011 2:38 PM PDT
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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.

I have to say this is a draw.

  • 06.16.2011 2:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

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Posted by: Alfdog
Elites are 8'6" and a alot heavier their other attributes would be most proably better than a Predator. Because Preadtors are Elites little brothers.


The Elites are 7 feet, Ripa 'Moramee was 8'1" and he was tall for his species, also according to the Encyclopedia, Elites weight less than 200 Kilograms (144, if I'm correct)

Yautja (Predators) average height ranging between 7 to 8 feet and weigh in at 250 to 350lbs (113 to 159 KG) average. So they are not that different, but the Yautja are far more powerful physically wise.


Then why don't the movies depict them as being that strong? I saw one get outsmarted by Ahnold, and one get beat and killed in a hand to hand with a cop.

If these guys really are as strong as the Pred defenders say they are, how is it a cop can hand to hand a Predator, and kill it, but an Elite cant???


Probably because of the "Stormtrooper Effect," where the antagonist(s) irrationaly suck in a fight against the protagonist for the sake of preserving the story.

  • 06.16.2011 8:20 PM PDT
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Elite, hands down.

  • 06.16.2011 8:23 PM PDT

"I'm sorry man, I don't even know why I got in on this side... SHOTGUN!!!"

I thought it was impossible to see an Elite (or any Covenant tech) when cloaked even with thermals?
Nope, they apparently give off an even bigger heat signature.

OT: Having seen every single movie with a Predator in it (Predator, Ped 2, Pred 3, and both AVPs) They do not strike as:

1) Being that strong

2) Being that quick.

The movies depict them as weak when it comes to the priority of preserving the story. The sad thing about the Predator series is that they almost always succumb to the "Stormtrooper effect" and they die at the hands of the protagonist.

They DO have some useful technology over the Elites, such as various vision modes. Outside of the vision modes, however, Elites have everything the Predators do but better.

1) A plasma rifle has more shots in it and does similar damage to a Pred caster (books depict them as being a weaker, but faster version of these infamous weapons; obliterating body parts with one shot and such).It doesn't. Take the plasmacaster from AvP and compare it to a plasma rifle. The caster would only require one shot, whereas the rifle would probably require 10-30% of it's battery to cause that kind of damage. (To put it in context, the scene where Scar is killing of Aliens in the tunnel after Lex gives him the caster. The caster destroys torsos, limbs, various Xenomorph bits everywhere.)

2) An energy sword would cut up any and all of the Pred's knives and swords. In a proper duelling situation, the Predator will probably lose. The Predator wouldn't try to make itself visible or have itself be in striking distance unless its going in for a sneak-attack, or it accepts the Elites offer to duel.
3) Preds are trained to hunt; Elites are trained to fight. When an Elite sees the Pred coming on his motion sensor, it will turn into a 1v1 brawl that, simply put, the Pred would lose. Elites' have shields remember.
Like I've said before, melee-based weaponry can bypass the shields. The plasmacaster is also presumed to be a hell of a lot more powerful than typical plasma rounds. Shields would be toast as well as 3/4 of your torso. The Predator could bypass the motion tracker considering it's a patient hunter and can move slowly as to prevent the tracker from spotting it. I'll admit though, this is not likely and unless the tracker is disabled, this could be quite a problem for the Predator.

  • 06.16.2011 8:45 PM PDT

To put it simply, Yautja would be slaughtered like pigs. Followed by a thorough teabagging. The Predator tech is nowhere near the Elite technology and their plasma casters can go blow a grunt in the time it takes between shots.
TL;DR Predators Suck, Elites Win.

  • 06.18.2011 4:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: ALI217
do elites have badass blades that come out of their arms? - no
do elites have badass bombs that blow -blam!- up? - no
do elites have semi-homing semi-auto plasma launchers - kind of but not really
do elites have what it takes to step-up to the most lethal hunters in teh known galaxy - hell -blam!- no!


You are a fool.

1) Elites have something called 'The Energy Dagger.'
2) Yes, wtf. Plasma Grenades.
3) Plazma Launcher... ANTI MOTHERFUC*ING AIRCRAFT.
4) Yes they do, they were trained to be Elite warriors since birth.

LOLUGOTOWNED.

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  • 06.18.2011 4:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: ChargedRogue
To put it simply, Yautja would be slaughtered like pigs. Followed by a thorough teabagging. The Predator tech is nowhere near the Elite technology and their plasma casters can go blow a grunt in the time it takes between shots.
TL;DR Predators Suck, Elites Win.


Plasma caster =/= slow

In that scene we see Wolf firing his plasma caster twice within two-three seconds, not only that, but he takes on 2 Aliens at the same time and he only gets beaten due to the Predalien appearing and attacking him.

Besides, Humans are way below Elite technology and yet, we see them killing a bunch of them during the opening scene of Halo Wars.

  • 06.19.2011 1:07 AM PDT

It depends on what the rules of engagements are I think. I mean when Elites lose ground engagements, they'll just glass the planet.

A species as a whole, the Elites would win as they'll just call for an entire fleet to glass the Predators' home planet.

One on one battle: since The Predator would just go Kamikaze with his nuke attachment.

  • 06.19.2011 8:55 AM PDT

"I'm sorry man, I don't even know why I got in on this side... SHOTGUN!!!"


Posted by: ChargedRogue
To put it simply, Yautja would be slaughtered like pigs. Followed by a thorough teabagging. The Predator tech is nowhere near the Elite technology and their plasma casters can go blow a grunt in the time it takes between shots.
TL;DR Predators Suck, Elites Win.

No.

Predator technology is much more advanced in different aspects. Their plasma casters are absolutely devastating and come in various forms.
---In Predators one of the Black Super Predators has a Plasmacaster in a repeater-form that acts like the Plasma Repeater from the Halo Universe, but much more potent and significantly smaller.

That means that if they were to make one the size of an actual Plasma Repeater, that Elite wouldn't have legs to teabag with, and be splattered all over the place like someone being killed by Dr. Manhattan.

And again, Predators have numerous different spectrums to see through with their masks. They managed to find a spectrum that can detect Xenomorphs, as well as those agents in Pred. 2, where they tried to hide their heat signature but got killed because the Predator could see the light pollution from their flashlights.

TL;DR: Predators have the bigger stick in ground combat; Elites can't hide.

  • 06.19.2011 10:10 AM PDT


Posted by: SSgt Shapiro
Like I've said before, melee-based weaponry can bypass the shields.


No, melee-based weaponry will not bypass an elites shield. If that were true, then when a spartan punched an elite its health would go down while its shields would be intact. That is obviously not the case.

  • 06.19.2011 6:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: the n00b pwner

Posted by: SSgt Shapiro
Like I've said before, melee-based weaponry can bypass the shields.


No, melee-based weaponry will not bypass an elites shield. If that were true, then when a spartan punched an elite its health would go down while its shields would be intact. That is obviously not the case.


Assassinations, anybody?

  • 06.19.2011 6:39 PM PDT

I write poetry, I write short-stories, I listen to hip-hop (80s&90s), Reggae, Classic Rock n Roll, Heavy Metal, Jazz, Blues, and the 60s, 70s.

I known about Predators longer than I knew Elites; so my love for those South-American Invading, Alien-Killing Warriors is much stonger than my love for the Elites. Predators Rock, 'Nuff Said.

  • 06.19.2011 6:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

Elites.

Reason: sexier.

  • 06.19.2011 8:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: the n00b pwner

Posted by: SSgt Shapiro
Like I've said before, melee-based weaponry can bypass the shields.


No, melee-based weaponry will not bypass an elites shield. If that were true, then when a spartan punched an elite its health would go down while its shields would be intact. That is obviously not the case.


Besides from what RKOSNAKE is suggesting**, how is it that Sgt. Forge managed to stick "Lucy" into Ripa 'Moramee's neck?

**Predators use a variety of melee weapons that involve stabbing and slashing. Provided that they are near the level of strength that the Elites possess, it wouldn't be that difficult to pierce through their combat harnesses considering the material the weapons are made from.

According to Predator 2, their weaponry is made from a metal lighter and far stronger than anything on the periodic table of elements.


[Edited on 06.19.2011 9:50 PM PDT]

  • 06.19.2011 9:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: SSgt Shapiro

Posted by: the n00b pwner

Posted by: SSgt Shapiro
Like I've said before, melee-based weaponry can bypass the shields.


No, melee-based weaponry will not bypass an elites shield. If that were true, then when a spartan punched an elite its health would go down while its shields would be intact. That is obviously not the case.


Besides from what RKOSNAKE is suggesting**, how is it that Sgt. Forge managed to stick "Lucy" into Ripa 'Moramee's neck?

**Predators use a variety of melee weapons that involve stabbing and slashing. Provided that they are near the level of strength that the Elites possess, it wouldn't be that difficult to pierce through their combat harnesses considering the material the weapons are made from.

According to Predator 2, their weaponry is made from a metal lighter and far stronger than anything on the periodic table of elements.


Apparently the whole not good technology thing is used on all the Arbiter Armors, because, looking at the scene, it looks like either every Elite lacked Energy Shields or the Arbiter's armor was broken.

  • 06.19.2011 10:08 PM PDT


Posted by: SSgt Shapiro

Posted by: the n00b pwner

Posted by: SSgt Shapiro
Like I've said before, melee-based weaponry can bypass the shields.


No, melee-based weaponry will not bypass an elites shield. If that were true, then when a spartan punched an elite its health would go down while its shields would be intact. That is obviously not the case.


Besides from what RKOSNAKE is suggesting**, how is it that Sgt. Forge managed to stick "Lucy" into Ripa 'Moramee's neck?

**Predators use a variety of melee weapons that involve stabbing and slashing. Provided that they are near the level of strength that the Elites possess, it wouldn't be that difficult to pierce through their combat harnesses considering the material the weapons are made from.

According to Predator 2, their weaponry is made from a metal lighter and far stronger than anything on the periodic table of elements.

Assassinations are proof that I am correct, because the enemy's shield are taken down before they are killed. As for Ripa 'Moramee, he had his shields down for some reason (ftl drive hitting him, assault rifle rounds, or maybe just arrogance). The rounds from Forge's pistol hit him, so his shield were obviously not up.

  • 06.20.2011 4:45 PM PDT

Actually, I read (on halopedia) that Ripa's armor was outfitted with an advanced camo generator, however that remove the armor shielding capabilities, making him rely on the armor plating.

  • 06.20.2011 4:53 PM PDT

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Bottom line, Elites are better.

  • 06.21.2011 6:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: PAPA SANTOIS
Bottom line, Elites are better.


I think Predators are better.

  • 06.21.2011 7:18 PM PDT

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  • 06.21.2011 7:20 PM PDT


Posted by: SSgt Shapiro
I thought it was impossible to see an Elite (or any Covenant tech) when cloaked even with thermals?
Nope, they apparently give off an even bigger heat signature.

OT: Having seen every single movie with a Predator in it (Predator, Ped 2, Pred 3, and both AVPs) They do not strike as:

1) Being that strong

2) Being that quick.

The movies depict them as weak when it comes to the priority of preserving the story. The sad thing about the Predator series is that they almost always succumb to the "Stormtrooper effect" and they die at the hands of the protagonist.

They DO have some useful technology over the Elites, such as various vision modes. Outside of the vision modes, however, Elites have everything the Predators do but better.

1) A plasma rifle has more shots in it and does similar damage to a Pred caster (books depict them as being a weaker, but faster version of these infamous weapons; obliterating body parts with one shot and such).It doesn't. Take the plasmacaster from AvP and compare it to a plasma rifle. The caster would only require one shot, whereas the rifle would probably require 10-30% of it's battery to cause that kind of damage. (To put it in context, the scene where Scar is killing of Aliens in the tunnel after Lex gives him the caster. The caster destroys torsos, limbs, various Xenomorph bits everywhere.)

2) An energy sword would cut up any and all of the Pred's knives and swords. In a proper duelling situation, the Predator will probably lose. The Predator wouldn't try to make itself visible or have itself be in striking distance unless its going in for a sneak-attack, or it accepts the Elites offer to duel.
3) Preds are trained to hunt; Elites are trained to fight. When an Elite sees the Pred coming on his motion sensor, it will turn into a 1v1 brawl that, simply put, the Pred would lose. Elites' have shields remember.
Like I've said before, melee-based weaponry can bypass the shields. The plasmacaster is also presumed to be a hell of a lot more powerful than typical plasma rounds. Shields would be toast as well as 3/4 of your torso. The Predator could bypass the motion tracker considering it's a patient hunter and can move slowly as to prevent the tracker from spotting it. I'll admit though, this is not likely and unless the tracker is disabled, this could be quite a problem for the Predator.


You haven't read the books have you? For example: one single needle round smashed a marines internal organs, turning them to "meat." Ordinary plasma rounds are much, much more powerful then leaving a small burn mark. They really do melt limbs off and bake organs with single shots.

But of course the only comparible weapon Elites have to the caster is the Plasma Launcher or FRG. I meant only to point out the Plasma rifle is much more powerful then you'd think.

  • 06.21.2011 7:37 PM PDT