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  • Subject: Elite vs Predator.

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

I still think the Plasma Caster would wreck an Elite.

  • 06.21.2011 11:20 PM PDT

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Elites have active camo thermal cannot detect. Energy swords, more updated gear. And can rip a spartan with full gear in half.

Pretty sure they can beat up a predator.

  • 06.21.2011 11:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: joshalot11
Elites have active camo thermal cannot detect. Energy swords, more updated gear. And can rip a spartan with full gear in half.

Pretty sure they can beat up a predator.


Funny, the people in Alpha Halo didn't think that, cause their thermal googles were able to detect the Stealth Elites.

  • 06.21.2011 11:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: joshalot11
Elites have active camo thermal cannot detect. Energy swords, more updated gear. And can rip a spartan with full gear in half.

Pretty sure they can beat up a predator.


Funny, the people in Alpha Halo didn't think that, cause their thermal googles were able to detect the Stealth Elites.


Even IF They could see the camo, I'm sure the Elites have detection for it too.

  • 06.21.2011 11:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: joshalot11

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: joshalot11
Elites have active camo thermal cannot detect. Energy swords, more updated gear. And can rip a spartan with full gear in half.

Pretty sure they can beat up a predator.


Funny, the people in Alpha Halo didn't think that, cause their thermal googles were able to detect the Stealth Elites.


Even IF They could see the camo, I'm sure the Elites have detection for it too.


Don't think so, why would they need detection for something that no other faction possesses?

  • 06.21.2011 11:52 PM PDT

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You do know there was an Elite rebellion with the covenant during Halo 2 and also there was multiple civil wars. Why WOULDN'T they have it?

And Plus, we're talking about two different universes. I don't even know how to continue the conversation.

  • 06.21.2011 11:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: SSgt Shapiro
I thought it was impossible to see an Elite (or any Covenant tech) when cloaked even with thermals?
Nope, they apparently give off an even bigger heat signature.

OT: Having seen every single movie with a Predator in it (Predator, Ped 2, Pred 3, and both AVPs) They do not strike as:

1) Being that strong

2) Being that quick.

The movies depict them as weak when it comes to the priority of preserving the story. The sad thing about the Predator series is that they almost always succumb to the "Stormtrooper effect" and they die at the hands of the protagonist.

They DO have some useful technology over the Elites, such as various vision modes. Outside of the vision modes, however, Elites have everything the Predators do but better.

1) A plasma rifle has more shots in it and does similar damage to a Pred caster (books depict them as being a weaker, but faster version of these infamous weapons; obliterating body parts with one shot and such).It doesn't. Take the plasmacaster from AvP and compare it to a plasma rifle. The caster would only require one shot, whereas the rifle would probably require 10-30% of it's battery to cause that kind of damage. (To put it in context, the scene where Scar is killing of Aliens in the tunnel after Lex gives him the caster. The caster destroys torsos, limbs, various Xenomorph bits everywhere.)

2) An energy sword would cut up any and all of the Pred's knives and swords. In a proper duelling situation, the Predator will probably lose. The Predator wouldn't try to make itself visible or have itself be in striking distance unless its going in for a sneak-attack, or it accepts the Elites offer to duel.
3) Preds are trained to hunt; Elites are trained to fight. When an Elite sees the Pred coming on his motion sensor, it will turn into a 1v1 brawl that, simply put, the Pred would lose. Elites' have shields remember.
Like I've said before, melee-based weaponry can bypass the shields. The plasmacaster is also presumed to be a hell of a lot more powerful than typical plasma rounds. Shields would be toast as well as 3/4 of your torso. The Predator could bypass the motion tracker considering it's a patient hunter and can move slowly as to prevent the tracker from spotting it. I'll admit though, this is not likely and unless the tracker is disabled, this could be quite a problem for the Predator.


You haven't read the books have you? For example: one single needle round smashed a marines internal organs, turning them to "meat." Ordinary plasma rounds are much, much more powerful then leaving a small burn mark. They really do melt limbs off and bake organs with single shots.

But of course the only comparible weapon Elites have to the caster is the Plasma Launcher or FRG. I meant only to point out the Plasma rifle is much more powerful then you'd think.


Yeah, I'm sorry I kind of exaggerated my point in that post. The Plasma Rifle is really destructive, and in the context of the book it does devastating damage with such little effort. The argument I was really trying to make was that the Caster has a bigger area of effect and overall power.

I didn't really want to take into consideration the FRG or Plasma Launcher because it's not too likely that an Elite is going to be wielding those. Especially in an environment like a jungle where this scenario would take place. It's more likely they'd have a rifle.

As for the Needler, we weren't discussing that earlier. The Needler would most likely kill the Predator. To me, it's the same deal with the FRG and PL; I don't picture Elites carrying needlers too often, but it's more likely than a FRG or PL.

  • 06.22.2011 6:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

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Like I've said before, melee-based weaponry can bypass the shields.


No, melee-based weaponry will not bypass an elites shield. If that were true, then when a spartan punched an elite its health would go down while its shields would be intact. That is obviously not the case.


Besides from what RKOSNAKE is suggesting**, how is it that Sgt. Forge managed to stick "Lucy" into Ripa 'Moramee's neck?

**Predators use a variety of melee weapons that involve stabbing and slashing. Provided that they are near the level of strength that the Elites possess, it wouldn't be that difficult to pierce through their combat harnesses considering the material the weapons are made from.

According to Predator 2, their weaponry is made from a metal lighter and far stronger than anything on the periodic table of elements.


Apparently the whole not good technology thing is used on all the Arbiter Armors, because, looking at the scene, it looks like either every Elite lacked Energy Shields or the Arbiter's armor was broken.


Kind of made me chuckle, heh.

I want to assume the Arbiter didn't have shielding at the time, but that makes me wonder how he survived most of the campaign then. Same for the Elites because I figured they'd have shielding, especially those honor guards.

It might've just been made out to make the SPARTANs look good...

[Edited on 06.22.2011 1:08 PM PDT]

  • 06.22.2011 7:00 AM PDT

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Like I've said before, melee-based weaponry can bypass the shields.


No, melee-based weaponry will not bypass an elites shield. If that were true, then when a spartan punched an elite its health would go down while its shields would be intact. That is obviously not the case.


Besides from what RKOSNAKE is suggesting**, how is it that Sgt. Forge managed to stick "Lucy" into Ripa 'Moramee's neck?

**Predators use a variety of melee weapons that involve stabbing and slashing. Provided that they are near the level of strength that the Elites possess, it wouldn't be that difficult to pierce through their combat harnesses considering the material the weapons are made from.

According to Predator 2, their weaponry is made from a metal lighter and far stronger than anything on the periodic table of elements.

Assassinations are proof that I am correct, because the enemy's shield are taken down before they are killed. As for Ripa 'Moramee, he had his shields down for some reason (ftl drive hitting him, assault rifle rounds, or maybe just arrogance). The rounds from Forge's pistol hit him, so his shield were obviously not up.

What? You said it proves you right, but you don't elaborate? I don't understand the context of "the enemy's shields are taken down before they are killed."

Anyways, I've noticed that I've been using the word "bypass" a lot. That's not what I really meant to use and I apologize for the miscontruity. What I'm really trying to say is, the shields will pop from the sheer pressure exherted onto the armor.

You have the strength of a Predator which is most likely comparable to an Elite, combined with the stab-based melee weaponry like it's wrist blades or telescopic spear. The kinetic energy that the Predator produces when trying to stab its opponent is pretty much intensified due to the small surface area at the tip of the blade/spear; now you have that tip come into contact with the armor, and the sheer pressure of that contact causes the shields to pop.

  • 06.22.2011 7:15 AM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

Elite.

  • 06.22.2011 8:13 AM PDT

Deal with it.

For the love of God people this goes in The Flood section. If it doesn't relate 100% to the Bungie universe it goes in The Flood.

  • 06.22.2011 9:45 AM PDT


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Posted by: SSgt Shapiro
Like I've said before, melee-based weaponry can bypass the shields.


No, melee-based weaponry will not bypass an elites shield. If that were true, then when a spartan punched an elite its health would go down while its shields would be intact. That is obviously not the case.


Besides from what RKOSNAKE is suggesting**, how is it that Sgt. Forge managed to stick "Lucy" into Ripa 'Moramee's neck?

**Predators use a variety of melee weapons that involve stabbing and slashing. Provided that they are near the level of strength that the Elites possess, it wouldn't be that difficult to pierce through their combat harnesses considering the material the weapons are made from.

According to Predator 2, their weaponry is made from a metal lighter and far stronger than anything on the periodic table of elements.

Assassinations are proof that I am correct, because the enemy's shield are taken down before they are killed. As for Ripa 'Moramee, he had his shields down for some reason (ftl drive hitting him, assault rifle rounds, or maybe just arrogance). The rounds from Forge's pistol hit him, so his shield were obviously not up.

What? You said it proves you right, but you don't elaborate? I don't understand the context of "the enemy's shields are taken down before they are killed."

Anyways, I've noticed that I've been using the word "bypass" a lot. That's not what I really meant to use and I apologize for the miscontruity. What I'm really trying to say is, the shields will pop from the sheer pressure exherted onto the armor.

You have the strength of a Predator which is most likely comparable to an Elite, combined with the stab-based melee weaponry like it's wrist blades or telescopic spear. The kinetic energy that the Predator produces when trying to stab its opponent is pretty much intensified due to the small surface area at the tip of the blade/spear; now you have that tip come into contact with the armor, and the sheer pressure of that contact causes the shields to pop.


Watch an assassination in Reach. You will see that the person being assassinated loses their shields a couple seconds before dying.
Elite and spartan shields will block any object regardless of its speed, even the ground. That is why they have to weaken the shields at the bottom of their feet, otherwise they would be slipping around.

  • 06.22.2011 9:52 AM PDT

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Posted by: the n00b pwner
Watch an assassination in Reach. You will see that the person being assassinated loses their shields a couple seconds before dying.
Elite and spartan shields will block any object regardless of its speed, even the ground. That is why they have to weaken the shields at the bottom of their feet, otherwise they would be slipping around.


... Here

...And here, frame-by-frames so you get the point [no pun intended].

The shields pop when the assassinator deals a blow with the knife/energy dagger or, like in the first scene, a snap of the neck.

The shields are on until the knife is thrusted into the victim.
They don't "lose their shields a couple seconds before dying."


Are you even reading what I'm writing out for this thread?

[Edited on 06.22.2011 1:19 PM PDT]

  • 06.22.2011 1:07 PM PDT

"I'm sorry man, I don't even know why I got in on this side... SHOTGUN!!!"


Posted by: joshalot11
You do know there was an Elite rebellion with the covenant during Halo 2 and also there was multiple civil wars. Why WOULDN'T they have it?

Yeah, there was an uprising. How does that affect what gear they have? They probably never developed anything related to thermal goggles for infantry. Why would they have time in the middle of an uprising going on within their own military to make one?



Posted by:joshalot11
I don't even know how to continue the conversation.

Well, alrighty then.

[Edited on 06.22.2011 1:30 PM PDT]

  • 06.22.2011 1:29 PM PDT

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Predators will get their ships glassed like there's no tomorrow.

  • 06.22.2011 1:39 PM PDT


Posted by: joshalot11
Elites have active camo thermal cannot detect. Energy swords, more updated gear. And can rip a spartan with full gear in half.

Pretty sure they can beat up a predator.

Um, correct me if i'm wrong, but in the book" Th Flood" said that the elites claoking shield produced heat. I really can't hold all this Halo details in my head.

  • 06.22.2011 1:39 PM PDT

I would have to give this one to the predator because the predator is more of the assassin type while elites are more of the brute force type.

  • 06.22.2011 1:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: wonderbreadd
For the love of God people this goes in The Flood section. If it doesn't relate 100% to the Bungie universe it goes in The Flood.


But it does...

  • 06.22.2011 1:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: xecnalxes117
Predators will get their ships glassed like there's no tomorrow.
It's a one on one. If it was ship to ship, we wouldn't really know. I sure as hell don't know what the Predators have on their ships aside from that giant cannon that vaporized a giant hole ~2000ft deep.

  • 06.22.2011 2:11 PM PDT

Predators are cooler, but I like how the Sangheli are like holy warriors.

It's cool to hear them say things like "DIE FOUL INFIDEL" when battling the flood.

  • 06.22.2011 2:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: joshalot11
You do know there was an Elite rebellion with the covenant during Halo 2 and also there was multiple civil wars. Why WOULDN'T they have it?

And Plus, we're talking about two different universes. I don't even know how to continue the conversation.


If they do, we haven't seen them use it in the games; Mind you they may have it in one of the books, and I haven't read them all, so its possible they do have their own IR/thermal Vision.

But Fun Fact, Predator Cloaking(Unlike the Elite Active Cammo) actually masks the heat by quite a bit.* Not completely mind you, but unless you know what you're looking for its possible to miss something with an active Predator Cloak.(That is until it starts shooting you)


*: This is from the latest Alien Vs Predator game; In the later Pred levels you go up against Weyland-Yutani Combat Androids that have stolen Pred Cloaks. Also, If I remember correctly from the 2nd Pred film Thermal sensors set up in the Human Trap don't pick the predator up.


  • 06.22.2011 5:49 PM PDT

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I dunno, the Predator didn't use cloaking while it was in the meat locker. I think they had a lock on it's heat signature, and used the frost to make it stick out more; physically, by accumulating on the Predator's body, and via technologically, by lowering the temperature of everything around the Predator in order to make it's heat signature stand out.

  • 06.22.2011 6:18 PM PDT
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Well, Its been A while since I've seen the movie; you're probably right.

  • 06.22.2011 6:29 PM PDT