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Subject: Elite vs Predator.

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: Herp Derpington
Predator vs. Video Game Elite, Predator wins.

Predator vs. Books Elite... it's a toss-up. Elites are about 9472 times more badass and lethal in the books than they are in the actual games, which should put them on par with Predator, at least.


Predators are much more dangerous in the books/comics too, there was even a comic with Superman fighting one, if I am correct.

  • 06.22.2011 6:58 PM PDT

"I'm sorry man, I don't even know why I got in on this side... SHOTGUN!!!"

The Batman ones were sorta funny, lol. I read the back cover one time and I think it said "The Predator vs. Judge Fudge." Wtf?

  • 06.23.2011 6:06 AM PDT

"Wake me...when you need me."

Two words:

Energy Shields

  • 06.23.2011 6:32 AM PDT

*reminisces when the Bungie/Halo community wasn't made up of CoD kids*
*sighs*
*activates time-machine and sets the clock back to Nov. 9, 2004*
glory days here I come..
*vanishes*

A Zealot would win, hands down.
A General would win.
An Ultra might beat a Predator.
An Officer may not win.
A Minor would not stand a chance.
A Spec ops could win if he stayed stealthy.
A Ranger would get owned.

  • 06.23.2011 7:50 AM PDT

I'm LITERALLY better than Tim Tebow
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Better than Tebow.


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Posted by: joshalot11
Elites have active camo thermal cannot detect.


Then they would switch to a vision that could detect camo.

  • 06.23.2011 8:16 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: Swamptik
Two words:

Energy Shields


If normal humans (Halo Wars opening cutscene) can defeat Elites, then so can an intergalactic hunter.

  • 06.23.2011 10:15 AM PDT

"I'm sorry man, I don't even know why I got in on this side... SHOTGUN!!!"

Posted by: Swamptik
Two words:

Energy Shields

Five words:

Read pages three and four.

  • 06.23.2011 6:57 PM PDT


Posted by: SSgt Shapiro

Posted by: the n00b pwner
Watch an assassination in Reach. You will see that the person being assassinated loses their shields a couple seconds before dying.
Elite and spartan shields will block any object regardless of its speed, even the ground. That is why they have to weaken the shields at the bottom of their feet, otherwise they would be slipping around.


... Here

...And here, frame-by-frames so you get the point [no pun intended].

The shields pop when the assassinator deals a blow with the knife/energy dagger or, like in the first scene, a snap of the neck.

The shields are on until the knife is thrusted into the victim.
They don't "lose their shields a couple seconds before dying."


Are you even reading what I'm writing out for this thread?


Are you even watching those? Almost all of them lose their shields a second before dying.

But more importantly, do you have any explanation as to why regular punches don't pass through shields, or why shields repel even stationary objects? I thought so.

  • 06.23.2011 7:08 PM PDT

Elites are nowhere near as disciplined or witty as Predators, thus, Predator wins. Elites may be stronger, but outsmarting a Predator is no easy task, and it is the other way around for the Elite.

  • 06.24.2011 1:28 AM PDT
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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Elites are nowhere near as disciplined or witty as Predators, thus, Predator wins. Elites may be stronger, but outsmarting a Predator is no easy task, and it is the other way around for the Elite.


Evidence please

  • 06.24.2011 2:49 AM PDT

Juz Hav Fun

if its predator vs elite 1 on 1, predators gonna win. predators got way much more physical strength than elites.
if the elites bring their army, they can just run over the preds without firing a single shot

  • 06.24.2011 5:44 AM PDT
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Give the Preds their wargear, and that elite army just went up in a mushroom cloud.

  • 06.24.2011 8:49 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Well, the Predator's Plasma Caster is strong enough to go through their hulls (Alien vs Predator: Requiem, at the beginning, a Predator tries to shoot the Predalien with his Plasma Caster and slightly misses, punching a hole into the hull of the scout ship)

OOC: Finally got my Heroic back :D

[Edited on 06.24.2011 12:51 PM PDT]

  • 06.24.2011 12:50 PM PDT

"The measure of a man is what he does with power"-Plato

Ripa Moramee V Predator.

Ripa would violate the -blam!- thing and use it's skin as a coat.

  • 06.24.2011 1:17 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: II Cipher
Ripa Moramee V Predator.

Ripa would violate the -blam!- thing and use it's skin as a coat.


Wolf Predator or Black Predator would molest Ripa day and night.

  • 06.24.2011 1:20 PM PDT

"I'm sorry man, I don't even know why I got in on this side... SHOTGUN!!!"


Posted by: the n00b pwner

Posted by: SSgt Shapiro

Posted by: the n00b pwner
Watch an assassination in Reach. You will see that the person being assassinated loses their shields a couple seconds before dying.
Elite and spartan shields will block any object regardless of its speed, even the ground. That is why they have to weaken the shields at the bottom of their feet, otherwise they would be slipping around.


... Here

...And here, frame-by-frames so you get the point [no pun intended].

The shields pop when the assassinator deals a blow with the knife/energy dagger or, like in the first scene, a snap of the neck.

The shields are on until the knife is thrusted into the victim.
They don't "lose their shields a couple seconds before dying."


Are you even reading what I'm writing out for this thread?


Are you even watching those? Almost all of them lose their shields a second before dying.

But more importantly, do you have any explanation as to why regular punches don't pass through shields, or why shields repel even stationary objects? I thought so.


No, they don't. The knife is thrusted towards the victim popping the shields due to the sheer pressure exherted on such a small surface area (tip of the blade), then proceeds to penetrate the body. You're obviously trolling at this point.

And a punch doesn't have the same amount of pressure exherted as the knife because the fist has more surface area than the knife. Since pressure and volume are inversely proportional, the less volume/surface area you have the more pressure there is.

[Edited on 06.26.2011 12:37 PM PDT]

  • 06.26.2011 12:33 PM PDT

"I came here to chew bubble gum and kick ass, and I'm all outta bubble gum."

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Member Since Spring '04

Hand to Hand- Elite.
With Weapons and Tech- Predator.

  • 06.26.2011 12:42 PM PDT

Since you cannot do good to all, you are to pay special attention to those who, by the accidents of time, or place, or circumstances, are brought into closer connection with you.
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I can't prove it, but I can say it.
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i am not shawn from youtube, I created this username because I thought it was an unique name but if I could change it I would since it did not belong to me originally

I know for sure that Thel Vadam ( the Arbiter) will defeat the Predators without difficulty

  • 06.26.2011 1:58 PM PDT

Personally I just think the Arbiter is awesome. But to get techinical. Most of their technologies cancel each other out. Active camo, plasma weapons and they both have size and strength. But the Arbiter has shields and if it gets close up the Arbiter has a plasma sword. The Predators blades have nothing on that up close.

  • 06.26.2011 2:27 PM PDT
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didn't vote, couldn't vote, me and the misses are having an arguement about it now, actually she finished with "elite with cricket bat FTW always 0_o"
lol love her to bits,

but one thing is for sure, i would pay top money to watch them two fight it out all tech enabled in a ziggurat like the one in Avp 1.

i am erring on the side of the of the elite. but its such a blinding question. nice one OP

  • 06.26.2011 3:00 PM PDT


Posted by: SSgt Shapiro

Posted by: the n00b pwner

Posted by: SSgt Shapiro

Posted by: the n00b pwner
Watch an assassination in Reach. You will see that the person being assassinated loses their shields a couple seconds before dying.
Elite and spartan shields will block any object regardless of its speed, even the ground. That is why they have to weaken the shields at the bottom of their feet, otherwise they would be slipping around.


... Here

...And here, frame-by-frames so you get the point [no pun intended].

The shields pop when the assassinator deals a blow with the knife/energy dagger or, like in the first scene, a snap of the neck.

The shields are on until the knife is thrusted into the victim.
They don't "lose their shields a couple seconds before dying."


Are you even reading what I'm writing out for this thread?


Are you even watching those? Almost all of them lose their shields a second before dying.

But more importantly, do you have any explanation as to why regular punches don't pass through shields, or why shields repel even stationary objects? I thought so.


No, they don't. The knife is thrusted towards the victim popping the shields due to the sheer pressure exherted on such a small surface area (tip of the blade), then proceeds to penetrate the body. You're obviously trolling at this point.

And a punch doesn't have the same amount of pressure exherted as the knife because the fist has more surface area than the knife. Since pressure and volume are inversely proportional, the less volume/surface area you have the more pressure there is.

Energy shields are different than regular shields in that they do not work based on pressure in any way, they only work on force. If you have increased pressure on a regular shield then it will be more likely to break, but on an energy shield it will instead divert more energy to the smaller area and will be no more like to break given the same amount of force.

When a spartan or elite is assassinated, it is the force of the blow that breaks the shields. The only difference from a regular melee is that they follow through with the knife instead of bouncing off of the shield.

Learn how shields work before calling me a troll.

[Edited on 06.26.2011 3:38 PM PDT]

  • 06.26.2011 3:37 PM PDT
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Hunters + Elites vs. Aliens + Predator..

  • 06.26.2011 3:40 PM PDT

"I'm sorry man, I don't even know why I got in on this side... SHOTGUN!!!"


Posted by: the n00b pwner
Energy shields are different than regular shields in that they do not work based on pressure in any way, they only work on force. If you have increased pressure on a regular shield then it will be more likely to break, but on an energy shield it will instead divert more energy to the smaller area and will be no more like to break given the same amount of force.

When a spartan or elite is assassinated, it is the force of the blow that breaks the shields. The only difference from a regular melee is that they follow through with the knife instead of bouncing off of the shield.

Learn how shields work before calling me a troll.


So.... What about this?:http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pressure

And no, a stab based melee with a fine pointed weapon is going to be more likely to pop an energy shield. With the extremely small amount of surface area at the tip of the weapon, all of that pressure/force is going to be greatly enhanced; popping the shields and penetrating into the body.

To remain on topic, the Predator have a vast arsenal of stab based weaponry:
-Wrist Blades (w/ projectile capabilities)
-Telescopic Spear
-Glaive
-Maul
-Wrist Mounted Scimitars
-Spear Gun
-Bladed Discs

All of these are capable of penetrating a Sangheili Combat Harness considering the sheer strength of an adult male Predator. Combine that with it's remarkable hunting skills and profeciency in hand-to-hand combat, that Predator is going to win the fight like many others have said.

The difference between a typical punch and a stab from a blade is the surface area. I thought I explained this in my last post; not to mention the other examples RKOSNAKE and I have given you. It seems like you're just ignoring them.

Maybe you're right, but you're astoundingly unspecific with your reasoning and examples. Regardless, if you really feel like you need to prove a point about this then make your own thread. This conversation has pretty much derailed from the original post and it's getting old.

  • 06.26.2011 9:46 PM PDT

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KOTOR

obviously a Protoss would win.

But I would say fight location plays a huge part into this. Sangheili culture is a warrior culture, not a hunter culture as the Predator culture is. In a setting with a lot of cover, I think the hunter instincts of a Predator would give it the edge. On an open battlefield with little cover, I'm not so sure. I think that setting boils down to just skill, in which case I'm giving it to an Elite Field Marshall, General, perhaps Zealot, and most Arbiters.

  • 06.26.2011 10:04 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

I don't see how Elites have any chance of winning this, I mean, we are talking about Predators, the same creatures that would go directly into the heart of a Xenomorph hive to kill their Queen so they could ascend in rank and honor. This is a little description of the Yautja Clan Leaders.

The only way to become a Clan Leader is to clean out an entire Xenomorph hive larger than 300 members in population with a maximum of two others. When this has been proven, the three (or fewer) Yautja all become Clan Leaders. They become the forefathers of that clan and will repopulate with females of their choosing. In order to be elligable for the trials of a hive cleansing, each member of the trio must have at least 3 Queen skull trophies.

Apart from this example, we also see a trio of Predators fighting an incredibly big Xenomorph horde in Aliens vs Predator, this horde consisted of thousands of Xenomorphs, with dozens of them killed by the Predators in close quarters combat. Now, humans in the Aliens universe seemed to be more advanced than the ones in the UNSC. By the year 2122 [Alien] the Colonial Marines had a Rail gun as one of their weapons, their heavy machine gun was able to track enemies and a newer model was able to change the trajectory of its bullets should more than one target be available, etc. Regardless, the Xenomorphs were able to wipe out everybody but Ripley.

Now, 200 years after, in the year 2381 to be exact, the events of Alien: Resurrection take place, there, a military grade ship gets overrun by 12 Xenomorphs after they escaped their containment cell due to their acidic blood. While the humans can't properly contain them, Predators are known to go to hives, capturing and locking Queens without troubles for breeding purposes due to their metals being resistant to acid.

Now, to the matter of "inferior weaponry" Predators (as shown in comics and books) possess remarkable weaponry. One of their infantry classes counts with a weapon called "The Blazer" I will leave the description here.

The blazer is a shoulder-mounted energy projector that fires a sweeping inferno beam. Hotter than many stars at its core, an inferno beam works by instantly heating objects it touches to the point of spontaneous combustion. Given this ability, the weapon is designed to hit as many enemies as possible by sweeping in large arcs across its primary target.

Since it does not need to be aimed with such precision, the Blazer can continue to fire even while on the move. This weapon is far too powerful for normal hunts and is only used for warfare and for killing escaping Alien Queens. It has also been seen in a hand-held form that looks like a rifle.

It is only gifted to those that are part of the Predator military due to its destructive potential, due to the large amount of dishonourable kills that would occur from using this in a hunting ground.

When upgraded, the Blazer Predator mounts a set of two linked blazers, one on each shoulder. The dual blazers coordinate their fire in order to maximize the damage they inflict, by keeping as many enemies on fire as possible. With this upgrade, a single Blazer Predator (The infantry class) can set an entire enemy platoon on fire in seconds.


Along with that little weapon, we have their arsenal of nets and mines used in their hunts, this is the description of the laser net used in Aliens Vs Predator: Requiem.

The laser net is a flat triangular-shaped device that, when deployed, automatically secures itself against a solid surface. When remotely activated, the device produces beams that spans a void until making contact with another solid surface. The lasers do not damage that surface, only slicing through organic materials. When two or more nets are placed across from each other they create a laser 'grid', allowing nothing through but the smallest of creatures.

Other mines and nets that they use are this.

Fire Trap: An explosive mine. Featured in Predator: Concrete Jungle
EMP mine: Disables mechanical devices. Featured in Predator: Concrete Jungle
Sonic trap: Used to stun and temporarily paralyze an enemy or prey. Featured in Predator: Concrete Jungle
Plasma mine: Vaporizes the flesh off the enemy, leaving just the skeleton. Featured in Predator: Concrete Jungle
Remote bomb: Detonated by the Predator or it explodes when in contact with a target. Can be stuck to surfaces. Featured in Aliens versus Predator 2
Laser trap: Creates a laser field that can easily cut through flesh (See above laser net). Featured in AvP:Extinction.
Razor Net: A hunting net intertwined with finely spun, and extremely sharp, wire. Featured in Predator 2 and the first AVP film.


On top of that, Predators can also combine weapons to make them even stronger, this was shown in Aliens vs Predator: Requiem, when one of Wolf's (The Predator) Plasma casters (he had 2, one on each shoulder) was damaged, he removed both of them from their places at his shoulders and combined them to create a Plasma Cannon, this was a stronger, albeit slower version of the caster.

Their starship (or at least the Mothership) also posses a similar weapon to the Covenant's glassing beam as shown in Aliens vs Predator when the Mothership uses the weapon to dig a kilometer (or more, can't remember) on the ice, in mere seconds. Now, should the Covenant were able to board the ship, it also possesses a self-destruct mechanism just like their wrist gauntlets.

So, after being done with this post, which I took me about half an hour due to me having to research on Predators beyond the movies, I would like to hear how an Elite would be able to beat a War equipped/Non-youngblood Predator, for those wondering what a youngblood is, they are basically Minors in the Covenant hierarchy system, too young to fight Xenomorphs (Celtic, Chopper and Scar from Aliens vs Predator were youngbloods for example, Wolf was not as shown by his acid resistant gear).

  • 06.26.2011 11:25 PM PDT