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Subject: Elite vs Predator.

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i agree with you anly on the phyisical attributes but predators are killing machines that take down armys by themselvs while elites needed the help of other races and was still defeted by a one guy. That to me is an open shut case.

  • 06.30.2011 9:38 AM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

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Last time I check the Arbiter Elite's we're the pros at killing....so list this have you seen Arbiter's armor ? Its plating stops plasma at it's track except for energy swords....

Think about it this way Elite's don't even need thermal to detect you cause they're trained to know when someone is cloaked,

And has anyone else seen Halo Legends or Halo Wars ? The Arbiter was a bad ass.....lets see while Arbiter vs the Inheriter Arbiter with a Katana sword they both may have died...but as you can see they've been through alot to get to their rank meaning having to "not" die when the mission has been assigned suicide based for the start......

Predator can use plasma weapons all he wants but I doubt he'd kill an Arbiter one on one with and without plasma weapons


where did you see arbys armor stop plasma? it is bullet proof last time i checked.

Yet none of the noticed roland being cloaked or any of the other SIIIs.

I am pretty such a predator and elite are near the same in pure physical strength since they are roughly the same weight and size. I am betting that the Yautjia have far more training and discipline than any elite. Not to mention they got to that technology level by themselves


They also taught their culture to humans (Aztecs and the likes as shown in Aliens vs Predator) and they were treated as gods by them. Anyways, a Predator could see a cloaked Elite without any aid, seeing how their vision is infrared and it's only enhanced while wearing their bio-masks.

  • 06.30.2011 10:40 AM PDT


Posted by: Cat Killer711
i agree with you anly on the phyisical attributes but predators are killing machines that take down armys by themselvs while elites needed the help of other races and was still defeted by a one guy. That to me is an open shut case.
It wasn't their desire to go into battle against the humans, and they didn't recruit others for the purpose of aiding them in such a mission. The Prophets gathered species, and it was the Prohet's war, not the Elite's. Also, I don't know how you worked out that the Covenant was beaten by 1 guy. I suppose I imagined all those frigates, aircraft, tanks, marines, ODSTs, multiple other Spartans, and so on and so forth.

Elites could most definitely take down armies by themselves, and you seem to be forgetting that Predators have lost to humans whose numbers don't exactly equate to an army. Granted, Predators have an impressive variety of tech, but that's been overcome many times. Given that Elites are highly intelligent tacticians, with greater physical abilities than humans, whilst also sporting impressive tech of their own; I'd say victory is not so ensured. In CQC, I would say an Elite would beat the Predator; so it all comes down to if the Predator can avoid being flushed out by the Elite.

  • 06.30.2011 11:09 AM PDT
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Posted by: Cat Killer711
i agree with you anly on the phyisical attributes but predators are killing machines that take down armys by themselvs while elites needed the help of other races and was still defeted by a one guy. That to me is an open shut case.
It wasn't their desire to go into battle against the humans, and they didn't recruit others for the purpose of aiding them in such a mission. The Prophets gathered species, and it was the Prohet's war, not the Elite's. Also, I don't know how you worked out that the Covenant was beaten by 1 guy. I suppose I imagined all those frigates, aircraft, tanks, marines, ODSTs, multiple other Spartans, and so on and so forth.

Elites could most definitely take down armies by themselves, and you seem to be forgetting that Predators have lost to humans whose numbers don't exactly equate to an army. Granted, Predators have an impressive variety of tech, but that's been overcome many times. Given that Elites are highly intelligent tacticians, with greater physical abilities than humans, whilst also sporting impressive tech of their own; I'd say victory is not so ensured. In CQC, I would say an Elite would beat the Predator; so it all comes down to if the Predator can avoid being flushed out by the Elite.


Huh?

The elites gladly fought the humans for over 20 years it was their war, it was only towards the end did the actually start reflecting.

The covenant nearly always lost to humanity on the ground.

Elites are not the best tacticians they are more basic compared to humans.

none of the covenant technology is the elites, the only things we know that are elites are the concussion rifle, possibly the revenant. that is it, they haven't used their own technology in over 3,000 years.

So if the elites were to war with the predators using only native technology the predators would win.

  • 06.30.2011 11:32 AM PDT

Personally i think elites due to the badass armor abilities active camouflage, evade, and armor lock. Good luck Predator, but a better question is flood vs. alien?

  • 06.30.2011 1:07 PM PDT

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You want to see how a jungle environment would look through the eyes of a Predator and why he would have an advantage? Watch this. As far as I'm aware, Elites can't jump 3+ meters into the air.

[Edited on 06.30.2011 5:22 PM PDT]

  • 06.30.2011 5:19 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: NAStheMagiking

Posted by: Cat Killer711
i agree with you anly on the phyisical attributes but predators are killing machines that take down armys by themselvs while elites needed the help of other races and was still defeted by a one guy. That to me is an open shut case.
It wasn't their desire to go into battle against the humans, and they didn't recruit others for the purpose of aiding them in such a mission. The Prophets gathered species, and it was the Prohet's war, not the Elite's. Also, I don't know how you worked out that the Covenant was beaten by 1 guy. I suppose I imagined all those frigates, aircraft, tanks, marines, ODSTs, multiple other Spartans, and so on and so forth.

Elites could most definitely take down armies by themselves, and you seem to be forgetting that Predators have lost to humans whose numbers don't exactly equate to an army. Granted, Predators have an impressive variety of tech, but that's been overcome many times. Given that Elites are highly intelligent tacticians, with greater physical abilities than humans, whilst also sporting impressive tech of their own; I'd say victory is not so ensured. In CQC, I would say an Elite would beat the Predator; so it all comes down to if the Predator can avoid being flushed out by the Elite.


Huh?

The elites gladly fought the humans for over 20 years it was their war, it was only towards the end did the actually start reflecting.

The covenant nearly always lost to humanity on the ground.

Elites are not the best tacticians they are more basic compared to humans.

none of the covenant technology is the elites, the only things we know that are elites are the concussion rifle, possibly the revenant. that is it, they haven't used their own technology in over 3,000 years.

So if the elites were to war with the predators using only native technology the predators would win.
They instantly changed sides when they learnt of the Prophet's deceit. What the Elites knew, and what the Prophet(s) knew, were two different things. Throughout the process they were manipulated. Something interesting to know, the Elites actually began to question why their leaders were so against admitting the Humans into the Covenant, and joining their cause. I guess I'm just making this point because how you wrote it. As though the Sangheili race launched an attack against the Humans, and couldn't win so decided to gather recruits. If it was a war started by their choosing, they would have fought it by themselves, and asked for no outside assistance. To seek help would go against their beliefs. Additionally, Elites are/were the backbone for the Covenant force, and without them on the battlefield the Covenant wouldn't be nearly as efficient.

What armies do Predator's take down, out of curiosity? Or are you talking about the Xenomorph?

I know it's said how Humans were more victorious during combat on the surface, but then they were still overrun at Harvest, and Reach. The Covenant won numerous ground-battles, to be fair.

I never said they were 'the best', and they're not more basic than humans, either. Humans are just also great tacticians on the battlefield. This is displayed in the Predator movies, also. Even in the face of incredible odds, they can find ways to overcome their foe (match what the Predator is equipped with, to what the unfortunate humans have, and yet they still prevail). It's the reason Elites wondered why the Prophets never recruited them.

Prior to forming the Covenant, the Prophets fought with Elites over the Forerunner artifact housed on the Elite's home planet. The Elites never used Forerunner technology at that point, and yet were still armed with their own spacecraft. They were a technologically advanced, tier-3, space-faring, race to begin with. Many of what the Predator can do is well within the ability of the Elites before they're use of Forerunner tech. Only after the formation of the Covenant, however, they fashioned Forerunner tech for their own use. Unfortunately, Sangheili life, before the human-covenant war, has yet to be explored.

I wouldn't target the fact that they reluctantly adapted existing tech, because they were tech heads anyway. And, to be fair, just because they reached interstellar status because of the Forerunner tech, doesn't mean you can say it's not theirs. The humans of Mass Effect got to where they were because they discovered Prothean technology. It doesn't make it any less theirs if they used existing tech to create an empire. They've made it their own, and that's commendable, too. It still takes technological geniuses to understand, harness, and fashion, unknown tech as the Covenant did (well, between the Prophets and Elites). Especially tech as complex as the Forerunners.

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
You want to see how a jungle environment would look through the eyes of a Predator and why he would have an advantage? Watch this. As far as I'm aware, Elites can't jump 3+ meters into the air.
His mask gives him certain advantages, that's undeniable, but that seals no deals here.

I'm pretty sure Elites can jump around, if not more than, that height. It's been noted that, because of the way their legs are designed, they can run much faster, and jump much higher, than humans. That would be on their home, with higher gravity, too. Clearly there's no data on how high they can jump, but I'm confident, given that statement, that they can jump pretty high.

Lastly, that vid really makes me want to go out and buy AVP.






  • 06.30.2011 7:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: NAStheMagiking
Lastly, that vid really makes me want to go out and buy AVP.


You should, really fun game, a bit gory though.

  • 07.01.2011 9:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: NAStheMagiking

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: NAStheMagiking

Posted by: Cat Killer711
i agree with you anly on the phyisical attributes but predators are killing machines that take down armys by themselvs while elites needed the help of other races and was still defeted by a one guy. That to me is an open shut case.
It wasn't their desire to go into battle against the humans, and they didn't recruit others for the purpose of aiding them in such a mission. The Prophets gathered species, and it was the Prohet's war, not the Elite's. Also, I don't know how you worked out that the Covenant was beaten by 1 guy. I suppose I imagined all those frigates, aircraft, tanks, marines, ODSTs, multiple other Spartans, and so on and so forth.

Elites could most definitely take down armies by themselves, and you seem to be forgetting that Predators have lost to humans whose numbers don't exactly equate to an army. Granted, Predators have an impressive variety of tech, but that's been overcome many times. Given that Elites are highly intelligent tacticians, with greater physical abilities than humans, whilst also sporting impressive tech of their own; I'd say victory is not so ensured. In CQC, I would say an Elite would beat the Predator; so it all comes down to if the Predator can avoid being flushed out by the Elite.


Huh?

The elites gladly fought the humans for over 20 years it was their war, it was only towards the end did the actually start reflecting.

The covenant nearly always lost to humanity on the ground.

Elites are not the best tacticians they are more basic compared to humans.

none of the covenant technology is the elites, the only things we know that are elites are the concussion rifle, possibly the revenant. that is it, they haven't used their own technology in over 3,000 years.

So if the elites were to war with the predators using only native technology the predators would win.
They instantly changed sides when they learnt of the Prophet's deceit. What the Elites knew, and what the Prophet(s) knew, were two different things. Throughout the process they were manipulated. Something interesting to know, the Elites actually began to question why their leaders were so against admitting the Humans into the Covenant, and joining their cause. I guess I'm just making this point because how you wrote it. As though the Sangheili race launched an attack against the Humans, and couldn't win so decided to gather recruits. If it was a war started by their choosing, they would have fought it by themselves, and asked for no outside assistance. To seek help would go against their beliefs. Additionally, Elites are/were the backbone for the Covenant force, and without them on the battlefield the Covenant wouldn't be nearly as efficient.

What armies do Predator's take down, out of curiosity? Or are you talking about the Xenomorph?

I know it's said how Humans were more victorious during combat on the surface, but then they were still overrun at Harvest, and Reach. The Covenant won numerous ground-battles, to be fair.

I never said they were 'the best', and they're not more basic than humans, either. Humans are just also great tacticians on the battlefield. This is displayed in the Predator movies, also. Even in the face of incredible odds, they can find ways to overcome their foe (match what the Predator is equipped with, to what the unfortunate humans have, and yet they still prevail). It's the reason Elites wondered why the Prophets never recruited them.

Prior to forming the Covenant, the Prophets fought with Elites over the Forerunner artifact housed on the Elite's home planet. The Elites never used Forerunner technology at that point, and yet were still armed with their own spacecraft. They were a technologically advanced, tier-3, space-faring, race to begin with. Many of what the Predator can do is well within the ability of the Elites before they're use of Forerunner tech. Only after the formation of the Covenant, however, they fashioned Forerunner tech for their own use. Unfortunately, Sangheili life, before the human-covenant war, has yet to be explored.

I wouldn't target the fact that they reluctantly adapted existing tech, because they were tech heads anyway. And, to be fair, just because they reached interstellar status because of the Forerunner tech, doesn't mean you can say it's not theirs. The humans of Mass Effect got to where they were because they discovered Prothean technology. It doesn't make it any less theirs if they used existing tech to create an empire. They've made it their own, and that's commendable, too. It still takes technological geniuses to understand, harness, and fashion, unknown tech as the Covenant did (well, between the Prophets and Elites). Especially tech as complex as the Forerunners.

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
You want to see how a jungle environment would look through the eyes of a Predator and why he would have an advantage? Watch this. As far as I'm aware, Elites can't jump 3+ meters into the air.
His mask gives him certain advantages, that's undeniable, but that seals no deals here.

I'm pretty sure Elites can jump around, if not more than, that height. It's been noted that, because of the way their legs are designed, they can run much faster, and jump much higher, than humans. That would be on their home, with higher gravity, too. Clearly there's no data on how high they can jump, but I'm confident, given that statement, that they can jump pretty high.

Lastly, that vid really makes me want to go out and buy AVP.








They did not change sides until truth tried to ave the brutes sneak attack and kill the elites (Gets halo2 dialogue and cinematics ready)

Elites did not start reflecting until the war was going on for nearly 20 years ( conversations of the universe)

Where did you get the info that elites seeking help goes against their beliefs? i know using a band-aid is but i am sure the elites allied with humanity to help fight the covenant.

majority of the ground engagements did not have elites; they were not seen fighting in masse until around the time of reach, before then they were sporadically seen on the ground.

I never said anything about predators taking down armies other than they would beat the elites.
Harvest was mainly a space battle (that the UNSC won) Reach was mainly a space engagement also. Give me 5 land engagements that the covenant clearly won.

You do understand majority of the technology the elites use now is part of the covenant. the technology they had on their own over 3,000 years ago wouldn't even include the energy sword. They were roughly the same as the UNSC.

And that is the exact reason it is not their own technology since they reversed engineers alien technology, therefore it is not native.This is another reason mass effect is a weak universe and would not stand up to halo, Legion said himself that the geth shouldn't follow the path the reapers set for them. cough cough using alien technology.

  • 07.01.2011 10:09 AM PDT

Predator.

  • 07.09.2011 7:05 PM PDT
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good fight, ultimately id say that the predator win if he was using his stealth and avoiding direct confrontation. id go with the elite in a head to head fight, they seem physically superior to the predators ive seen in the comics which are supposedly greater then the movie predators. not by much but id say the speed and strength on top of their energy sword gives them the advantage in direct battle. spec ops aside, jackals fight more similar to predators then elites do. they arent as formidable but their style of combat is more similar.

id also like to address a few things posted in this thread

when forge killed the arbiter, he used trickery and the arbiters own arrogance against him by stabbing him in the neck with a knife when the arbiter could of easily killed him there. in the case of the samurai vs the predator, the samurai actually outfought the predator and won.

i dont think the predators are more disciplined then the elites are. both have had their embarrassing moments. elites have shown to be arrogant but so have predators, most notably when dutch used that log trap on one of them in the 1987 film.

as far being more skilled i think thats subjective, the elites are probably more skilled meele fighters while the predators are probably more skilled when it comes to tactics like hitting and running, setting up ambushes and traps etc. thats why there is a specific branch of elites that fight more similar to predators then standard elites do.



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Varric would win

  • 07.12.2011 1:55 PM PDT

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This was a difficult choice, but I would have to go with Predator. Unless, of course, you bring in the Arbiter or another amazing elite.

  • 07.12.2011 2:06 PM PDT

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Elite, hands down.

  • 07.12.2011 2:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: Maddmaxx1001
Elite, hands down.


Any specific reason?

  • 07.12.2011 2:10 PM PDT