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Subject: Forerunner Combat Skin and MJOLNIR Theory

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Note: This is a long read, however it is mainly bullet points explaining my theory and explanations to said bullet points.

I had a thought earlier today on another thread, where the Forerunner Combat Skin concept art from Bungie was brought into question.

After looking at it for a couple minutes I started to notice that it bears some resemblance to Master Chief's new MJOLNIR armor design.


Forerunner Combat Skin (Concept Art)

Master Chief's updated aesthetics



+ If you look at Chief's Torso, you can see that the breastplate is missing a piece in the center for whatever reason.
Now if you look at the Combat Skin, you can see that there's a particular spot in the middle of the chest but just underneath the collar bone, that resembles this gap.



In fact, the overall contours of the Combat Skin are very similar to how the MJOLNIR armor looks now...

+ Look at the abdomen of John's armor, notice where the basic shapes are, and compare it to the Forerunner Combat Skin. It's a shot in the dark, but from what I can see, the sides of the abdomen are similar in shape.

+ The shoulders are another feature that could be put into question. They've drastically changed since Halo:CE as they no longer have the typical hexagonal shape, now they're rather bulky and rounded. They don't exactly fit the shape of the shoulders on the Combat Skin, but it could be another similarity to be taken into account.


The main point I'm trying to get at is: I think there is some chance that the reason Master Chief looks so different now, is because he combined his MJOLNIR armor system with a set of Forerunner Combat Skin.

To elaborate, he could have either scavanged the armor from an armory or dead forerunner, or could have met someone along the way who knew how to integrate the systems.


+ If you picture the Forerunner Combat Skin and ditch the helmet/hood, remove the integrated weapon systems, and make the knee guards more form-fitting, you can basically turn the Combat Skin into a type of body-glove where the MJOLNIR armor plates could be attached on to, respectively.

- John could have ditched the helmet/hood to use his own Mark. VI that's been modified to be compatible with the new system.

- The same could be done with the integrated weapon systems on the hands; John could have replaced them for a pair of preferrable gauntlets, probably from his own MJOLNIR armor.

- The Knee guards could be modified so that the MJOLNIR Knee-Guards could be attached.

- The breastplate could have been remolded (I don't really know how, depending of the capabilities of the Forerunners, they could do this) to fit the shape of the Combat Skin; particularly, making space for that piece in the middle, and shaping the "pectorals" more inwards and sharper.



This is a crazy theory, I know, but this makes sense considering there would be no UNSC on that planet that we know of. (I am not going to be so naive to think ONI is stationed there based on some rumor with no primary sources)

Repairs for John's armor would not be feasible unless there is a miraculous chance of another set of MJOLNIR armor being on the planet/repair station, or he started using the native technology of that planet.

I'm going to make the assumption that there are little to no UNSC/Covenant weapons on the planet, and that the forerunner weaponry will be the primary weaponry for the game.

That being said, I don't think John's armor could withstand the potential damage that Forerunner technology is capable of, unless he integrated his armor with something along the lines of a Forerunner Combat Skin.

The combination of both these armor systems would make for an extremely resilient shielding system, which would most likely reduce the damage dealt by Forerunner weaponry to the equivalent of bullets/plasma hitting standard MJOLNIR shields.

This is all I can write for now, so comment and speculate. I'll be back to discuss this later.

[Edited on 06.16.2011 7:13 AM PDT]

  • 06.16.2011 7:11 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

I'm praying it's true.

There is no way a Spartan would survive Forerunner weaponry unless he fights with weak basic sentinels.

  • 06.16.2011 7:14 AM PDT

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I would go with origins pictures instead of the concept art by Bungie.

But I've been thinking and saying that he will probably have his armour upgraded with forerunner stuff.

  • 06.16.2011 7:29 AM PDT

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OT: Interesting theory. I'm tired, so I may have read it wrong, but you were saying that you believe the Forerunner combat skin would be like a mesh underlayer for his MJOLNIR suit?

  • 06.16.2011 7:36 AM PDT

I hope it's true as well. Sounds like a plausible theory.

Even in Halo: The Flood, Guilty Spark ranked his Mark V armor a Class 2 combat skin (the most powerful is a Class 18 combat skin) based on the Forerunner classification system. If I remember correctly, John wanted the opportunity to try more powerful (Forerunner) armor.

I agree with hotshot revan II, he wouldn't stand a chance. An armor upgrade is definitely in order.

  • 06.16.2011 7:48 AM PDT
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I don't really se any simularities exept the very basic shape.Although I wouldn't rule it out that he might have somehow used forerunner tech to update his armor I really dout it. Mabe he and cortana had made a update to it or mabe it's some kind of prototype Mark VII armor that was on the ship? Who knows I guess we'll find out.

  • 06.16.2011 12:12 PM PDT
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OP:

Most interesting theory, we wouldn't be surprised to see that MC is using Forerunner Combat Skin since he doesn't stand any chance against Forerunners weapons or even Flood. (Note: He struggled against the Flood)

So it might be more likely that he acquaintances the Forerunner Combat Skin then fuse it to his existing MJOLNIR armor, making it more powerful.

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Its the Geth!!!

OT: Interesting theory. I'm tired, so I may have read it wrong, but you were saying that you believe the Forerunner combat skin would be like a mesh underlayer for his MJOLNIR suit?

I think what the OP is trying to say is that the new MJOLNIR is due to the fact that John scavenged some parts from Forerunner armor.


[Edited on 06.16.2011 1:43 PM PDT]

  • 06.16.2011 1:01 PM PDT
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I said mabe it's a "prototype" MARK VII armor I never actually herd of any existing. And the forerunners are dead how could he have fond a forerunner combat skin? I haven't read cryptum yet so yeah.

  • 06.16.2011 1:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Its the Geth!!!

OT: Interesting theory. I'm tired, so I may have read it wrong, but you were saying that you believe the Forerunner combat skin would be like a mesh underlayer for his MJOLNIR suit?


This gets more interesting when you remember that Mark VII was meant to be a fusion between Forerunner and Human tech.


that is the first time i have ever heard of that and i have everything.

  • 06.16.2011 1:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Its the Geth!!!

OT: Interesting theory. I'm tired, so I may have read it wrong, but you were saying that you believe the Forerunner combat skin would be like a mesh underlayer for his MJOLNIR suit?


This gets more interesting when you remember that Mark VII was meant to be a fusion between Forerunner and Human tech.


that is the first time i have ever heard of that and i have everything.

In Hasley's journal she had plans for Mark VII armor which mentioned Forerunners. Though I might be getting confused with other sources as I haven't read the journal in a while.

  • 06.16.2011 1:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Its the Geth!!!

OT: Interesting theory. I'm tired, so I may have read it wrong, but you were saying that you believe the Forerunner combat skin would be like a mesh underlayer for his MJOLNIR suit?


This gets more interesting when you remember that Mark VII was meant to be a fusion between Forerunner and Human tech.


that is the first time i have ever heard of that and i have everything.

In Hasley's journal she had plans for Mark VII armor which mentioned Forerunners. Though I might be getting confused with other sources as I haven't read the journal in a while.



Page number, becuase the word "forerunner" was never stated in the book

  • 06.16.2011 1:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: grey101

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Its the Geth!!!

OT: Interesting theory. I'm tired, so I may have read it wrong, but you were saying that you believe the Forerunner combat skin would be like a mesh underlayer for his MJOLNIR suit?


This gets more interesting when you remember that Mark VII was meant to be a fusion between Forerunner and Human tech.


that is the first time i have ever heard of that and i have everything.

In Hasley's journal she had plans for Mark VII armor which mentioned Forerunners. Though I might be getting confused with other sources as I haven't read the journal in a while.



Page number, becuase the word "forerunner" was never stated in the book

Reread the Journal, no mention of Forerunner prototype. Only mentions plasma-fusion hybrid and the ability to exit slipspace.Will edit my post. Apology for the mistake.
It is at the end of the January 7, 2535 entry by the way.

  • 06.16.2011 1:42 PM PDT

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Its awesome to see other people following the combat skin theory.

rock on OP!

  • 06.16.2011 2:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Its the Geth!!!

OT: Interesting theory. I'm tired, so I may have read it wrong, but you were saying that you believe the Forerunner combat skin would be like a mesh underlayer for his MJOLNIR suit?

I think what the OP is trying to say is that the new MJOLNIR is due to the fact that John scavenged some parts from Forerunner armor.


At the very least, it acts as a mesh underlayer. I think it's combined with various components, especially the torso, where it could have both properties sort of fused together, literally. (Provided it's possible for Forerunners to do so.)

  • 06.16.2011 8:01 PM PDT

Prototype Mark Seven armor he found on the Frigate? It could have Shields similar to the Forerunners. They wouldn't change Chief's look.

  • 06.16.2011 8:05 PM PDT

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I don't really se any simularities exept the very basic shape.Although I wouldn't rule it out that he might have somehow used forerunner tech to update his armor I really dout it. Mabe he and cortana had made a update to it or mabe it's some kind of prototype Mark VII armor that was on the ship? Who knows I guess we'll find out.


MJOLNIR Mk. VII supposedly didn't even enter the testing phase before the Fall of Reach. Regardless, why would it be on Foward Unto Dawn? It makes more sense to be on a space station such as Cairo Station from the beginning of Halo 2.

  • 06.16.2011 8:13 PM PDT

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OP:

Most interesting theory, we wouldn't be surprised to see that MC is using Forerunner Combat Skin since he doesn't stand any chance against Forerunners weapons or even Flood. (Note: He struggled against the Flood)

So it might be more likely that he acquaintances the Forerunner Combat Skin then fuse it to his existing MJOLNIR armor, making it more powerful.


This is the simplest way to put it, thank you. :)

  • 06.16.2011 8:16 PM PDT

i see no similarities other than they both have arms and legs.

  • 06.16.2011 8:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: monkDAN
i see no similarities other than they both have arms and legs.


Well, I guess you just don't see it then.

I mean, I did try to guide you through the specific parts of the armor I was talking about, but you either skimmed through the thread, or genuinely don't see it. I'll just give the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't see it, but I still hold true to my theory.

Anyways, let's keep the speculation going, eh?

[Edited on 06.16.2011 9:13 PM PDT]

  • 06.16.2011 8:50 PM PDT
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Call me Cliff.

when did him and Cortana get time to upgrade since they were next to the planet at the end of 3 and being sucked up at 4? But inspite of this hole I love the idea of forunner upgrades. perhaps later in the trilogy new hud, new armor, and even new weapons(all forerunner themed of course)?

  • 06.16.2011 9:20 PM PDT

"I'm sorry man, I don't even know why I got in on this side... SHOTGUN!!!"

The trailer doesn't show the new armor in the context of the storyline. John must've gotten it after he landed on the planet. The CGI trailer wasn't meant to be taken as canon; just as a means to pump up fans and show them what certain things [John's armor] will look like.

  • 06.16.2011 10:09 PM PDT