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The following thread discussing the possible plot of Halo 4 involves conjecture that cannot be proven to be true.

Ever since Halo 3 launched, many people have wondered what the back half of the Forward Unto Dawn was floating towards at the end of the game on Legendary difficulty. Though the mysterious planetoid appeared to be Forerunner in origin, many were left grasping at straws on how that planet related to something seen previously in the series. One of those theories has been that the planetoid is related to Onyx.

However, the actual "planet" of Onyx does not exist anymore.

Ghosts of Onyx, page 377-378
Onyx shattered and the surface exploded into space. Obscured by layers of dust and fire, a blazing pattern emerged beneath: crosses and lines and dots...
The view pulled back and showed that this drone-constructed scaffolding stretched over kilometers... they had been under every landmass, every ocean... under the entire surface - orderly linked rows like the carbon bonds of an infinite polymer chain, or an immense colony of living interlinked army ants.
The drones were the planet Onyx.

So, there is no way that the Legendary planet can be Onyx. (You know, since it doesn't exist anymore)

However, it is entirely possible that the planet could be the Shield World that was in-capsuled within Onyx. Bear with me here.
Ghosts of Onyx, page 364
"The Forerunners built this construct to protect these 'Reclaimers' from the Halo detonations. Like a bomb shelter.


Kurt says this to Halsey before he orders the Spartans to go into the Shield World inside of Onyx. Why is this important? Because access to Shield Worlds was only possible upon the imminent activation of the Halo Array. [still looking for proper notion in Ghosts of Onyx] This can also be noted by the fact that the events of Ghosts of Onyx ran concurrently with the Battle of Installation 05.

My theory so far: When Keyes activated and subsequently deactivated Installation 05, the entire Halo Array went into stand-by mode. This also caused the Shield Worlds to activate and close.

However, the Shield World is "hidden" inside a slipspace bubble and, while it is enormous in actual size, only appears to be a small size in normal space. Since the Array is set for remote activation, the Shield World would definitely stay in slipspace until the level "The Covenant" on Halo 3.

At the end of this level, Truth forces Sergeant Johnson to activated the rings from the Ark. In spite of this, the Chief and the Arbiter kill Truth and deactivate the Ark, meaning that the rings would have been activated and then deactivated. (obviously) Since the Shield World activated upon activation of the Array, it is not entire possible to think that they would re-open or exit slipspace once the Array had been completely deactivated.

Linking the Chief's location to the possible location of the Shield World:

Now, of the things I have presented so far, this one involves the biggest stretch.

At the end of Halo 3, the Chief and the Arbiter attempt to go through the portal as Installation 04B is destroyed. However, we know that only the Arbiter gets through back to Earth and that the Chief is left floating by the Forerunner-looking planetoid. Several theories have cropped up that Mendicant Bias, seeking atonement for his atrocities committed against the Forerunners, redirected the portal to prove to his original makers that he had changed. If this is true, it could be possible that Mendicant sent Chief to the location of a Shield World (where he could believe any remaining Forerunners may be) to prove his change in beliefs. If the Onyx shield world did indeed come out of slipspace after the Ark's deactivation, this could very well be it.

Another theory is that the Portal collapsed due to stress inflicted by the explosion of Installation 04B. If this is true, it is feasible that the back of the Dawn got dropped off at a fail-safe location. In all likelihood, a fail-safe location for the portal leaving the Ark would drop off near a Shield World in order to rendezvous with any possible survivors of an activation that used the Shield World.

Like all theories related to predicting Halo 4's plot, this one has its drawbacks. I have delineated two:
1) Halsey said that the Shield World was a Micro-Dyson's sphere, meaning that it would be HUGE. In both the Legendary-ending to Halo 3 and the trailer to Halo 4, the planetoid did not appear to be exceedingly large. However, using this picture you could make a case that the perspective is tricky and you can't completely tell the exact size of the planet.
2) If Halo: Legends is considered canon (it was created by 343i, so it likely is) then it would mean that about four years has past since the end of Halo 3. If the Chief was purposely redirected towards a Shield World, why would it take this long for something to happen?

Why do I think this is possible? Master Chief will always be linked to his fellow Spartans, Dr. Halsey, and SCPO Mendez. As of right now, both the Chief and the group in the Shield World share an important trait: they are both stranded without any immediate possibilities of a way out. The pieces would logically fit together for the Chief to find or rescue them from the Shield World. (or vice-versa)

TL;DR: When the Ark was deactivated, the Onyx-based Shield World came out of slipspace at some location and the Chief somehow got redirected to this location went he went through the portal at the end of Halo 3.

Thoughts? Criticisms?

[Edited on 06.17.2011 11:01 AM PDT]

  • 06.16.2011 10:20 PM PDT

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Very well thought out, and I agree with all of it. Good job.

  • 06.16.2011 10:54 PM PDT

Great theory. However, I am in no position to criticize. I like it though, explains much.

  • 06.16.2011 10:54 PM PDT

I like the theory because it proposes that other Spartans and Halsey will be actual characters in this second trilogy!

  • 06.16.2011 11:08 PM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

No just no.

The legendary planet is the size of a planet and Onyx shield world is just a few meters large in real space

And i ask you why would MB send the Chief to the spartans?What's the point?A happy reunion?

There is alot of evidence that disproves the fact that Onyx shield world is related the the legendary planet,if say it has connections with the shield world .

Why Onyx and why not another planet,how unoriginal would a Halo 4 story be?

I would take a bet with all my money that it sin't Onyx,it will be disproven like that "theory" about Reach.

End rant

  • 06.16.2011 11:20 PM PDT

I like your theory sir, and I can provide an explanation for why it took so long to get there.

MB had literally fractions of fractions of FRACTIONS of a second to re-direct the portal as to put chief with his spartans, or save him, period. Even for a forerunner AI it could prove a difficult task to get it close. And with the ship having very little forward momentum, it could take an awefully long time to get there. 4 years at a maximum velocity that got reduced by a severe degree by getting ripped in 2, sounds about right for a ship like the Dawn, or so I would like to believe.

  • 06.17.2011 12:01 AM PDT

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I reckon that planetoid doo-dah in the Halo:4 trailer is actually a Forerunner rescue/scout vessel - sent to the Ark due to the rather large explosion that happened there.

That is my 2 cents !

  • 06.17.2011 12:49 AM PDT

is it possible he went back in time?

  • 06.17.2011 12:58 AM PDT
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This makes an incredible amount of sense. Good thinking.

  • 06.17.2011 2:01 AM PDT
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One day... I am gonna grow wings... A chemical reaction... Hysterical and useless... hystecial and let down and hanging around... crushed like a bug in the ground.

I like the theory, but IMO, Sigma 7 is looking like the most plausible storyline for Halo 4.

  • 06.17.2011 2:12 AM PDT

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very good well planned out must say, not 100% sure but i thought i read somewere that it was a whole new alian race with no ties to forerunner or covernat but ..... ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN!

  • 06.17.2011 2:26 AM PDT
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Posted by: hotshot revan II
Rant
I take it that you only read the "TL;DR" version?

Posted by: AngasBoy
I like the theory, but IMO, Sigma 7 is looking like the most plausible storyline for Halo 4.
I heard the Sigma 7 plots, but I did not know if those were real leaks or baseless rumors.

Posted by: SPARTAN39397
is it possible he went back in time?
That would depend on how 343i handles the "physics" within the game. Since Halo has made some attempts to stay within "real" theoretical physics, then I would say no; only time dilation forward is theoretically possible.

  • 06.17.2011 5:24 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


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Posted by: hotshot revan II
Rant
I take it that you only read the "TL;DR" version?

Posted by: AngasBoy
I like the theory, but IMO, Sigma 7 is looking like the most plausible storyline for Halo 4.
I heard the Sigma 7 plots, but I did not know if those were real leaks or baseless rumors.

Posted by: SPARTAN39397
is it possible he went back in time?
That would depend on how 343i handles the "physics" within the game. Since Halo has made some attempts to stay within "real" theoretical physics, then I would say no; only time dilation forward is theoretically possible.


Well yea,i only read the top and the end,then wrote my rant,close my pc and rushed to school.

  • 06.17.2011 5:26 AM PDT

Just so you know how big the Shield World that contains Halsey and the spartans actualy is:
Th equator of the shield world is the same size as the Earths orbit around the sun!

The star in the center is only just smaller that our own sun.

This can be found on page 380 of the TOR release of Ghost of Onyx.

If the Shield World where to have come out of its slipspace bubble of compressed dimentionality, it would be FREAKIN massive!

I don't think that the legendary planet or the Halo 4 planet are the shield world from GoO

  • 06.17.2011 5:46 AM PDT
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Just so you know how big the Shield World that contains Halsey and the spartans actualy is:
Th equator of the shield world is the same size as the Earths orbit around the sun!

The star in the center is only just smaller that our own sun.

This can be found on page 380 of the TOR release of Ghost of Onyx.

If the Shield World where to have come out of its slipspace bubble of compressed dimentionality, it would be FREAKIN massive!

I don't think that the legendary planet or the Halo 4 planet are the shield world from GoO

I know this. However, if you take a look at this picture, you cannot quite delineate how large the planet actually is. It looks to be somewhat large, but the perspective on that is very tricky.

  • 06.17.2011 6:02 AM PDT


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Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
Just so you know how big the Shield World that contains Halsey and the spartans actualy is:
Th equator of the shield world is the same size as the Earths orbit around the sun!

The star in the center is only just smaller that our own sun.

This can be found on page 380 of the TOR release of Ghost of Onyx.

If the Shield World where to have come out of its slipspace bubble of compressed dimentionality, it would be FREAKIN massive!

I don't think that the legendary planet or the Halo 4 planet are the shield world from GoO

I know this. However, if you take a look at this picture, you cannot quite delineate how large the planet actually is. It looks to be somewhat large, but the perspective on that is very tricky.

True, but that would mean that the opening on the side of the planet is many times bigger than the Ark itself! which is pretty big.

  • 06.17.2011 6:13 AM PDT
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Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
Just so you know how big the Shield World that contains Halsey and the spartans actualy is:
Th equator of the shield world is the same size as the Earths orbit around the sun!

The star in the center is only just smaller that our own sun.

This can be found on page 380 of the TOR release of Ghost of Onyx.

If the Shield World where to have come out of its slipspace bubble of compressed dimentionality, it would be FREAKIN massive!

I don't think that the legendary planet or the Halo 4 planet are the shield world from GoO

I know this. However, if you take a look at this picture, you cannot quite delineate how large the planet actually is. It looks to be somewhat large, but the perspective on that is very tricky.

True, but that would mean that the opening on the side of the planet is many times bigger than the Ark itself! which is pretty big.

Which is why this is just a theory. There are plenty of things that would have to be verified if this was true.

  • 06.17.2011 6:44 AM PDT

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The forerunners where masters of space time, slip space, etc. In the book it says that the forerunners compressed the micro Dyson sphere into a small space using slip space technology, so the legendary planet could be the onyx core.

  • 06.17.2011 7:33 AM PDT

Unreal, isn't it?

I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING.

I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up before, but:


There are four known Spartans left.
Fred
Kelly
Linda
John

Three of them are in the Dyson Sphere.
So if we're going to have four player Co-op, guess where the campaign is headed?

Edit: Though, it's funny you say the Chief will 'rescue' them, because currently he has half a broken ship and a [probably] quite rampant AI.

[Edited on 06.17.2011 7:46 AM PDT]

  • 06.17.2011 7:44 AM PDT

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I love the Onyx theory. My friends and I thought exactly the same as you have OP. I have one issue with it however, it fits the story-line too well.

Oh and one question I am going to throw out there for a bit of speculation:
If it is Onyx (as I do hope it is) what could the game be based around? There should be no flood nor covenant in the shield world, is it full of forerunners?..... Or does it contain something much older and more foreign? Precursors wold be a fun notion but would probably never happen.

  • 06.17.2011 7:52 AM PDT

The Shield World would not have been able to reemerge from slipspace. It was built in slipspace to stay in slipspace.

1) What use would a Shield World be if it wasn't in slispace?

2) Why would it come out upon activation of the array? Thats counter-productive. Slipspace is what protects the people, not the world itself.

3) Why would the shield world emerge upon one activation, yet not the other activations?

4) Besides, the Onyx Shield was 2 AU in diameter with a star in the center, thats the distance of earth from the sun two times over. The fact I can see the curvature of the planetoid at all should be impossible.

5) In real space, the Shield world was only a few meters in diameter.

6) It has been said by the Encyclopedia that the Forerunners are not dead, that they left the galaxy post-activation. Why would Medicant Bias send the Chief to the Spartans, unless he has a greater plan for them all (which wouldn't surprise me)?

7) The Chief is supposed to be facing a force that threatens the entire universe. Why would Onyx threaten the universe?

I just don't see any evidence to support the Onyx theory and see far to much supporting the contradiction.

  • 06.17.2011 8:01 AM PDT
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The Shield World would not have been able to reemerge from slipspace. It was built in slipspace to stay in slipspace.
[citation needed]

1) What use would a Shield World be if it wasn't in slispace? It was in slipspace. However, since the Array was deactivated at the Ark what would it do? Would it just strand the people in it? The point is that if the Shield World closes when the Array is activated, couldn't it open in some way if it were deactivated?

2) Why would it come out upon activation of the array? Thats counter-productive. Slipspace is what protects the people, not the world itself. See above.

3) Why would the shield world emerge upon one activation, yet not the other activations? See above.

4) Besides, the Onyx Shield was 2 AU in diameter with a star in the center, thats the distance of earth from the sun two times over. The fact I can see the curvature of the planetoid at all should be impossible. This is one of the only arguments that I have against my theory.

5) In real space, the Shield world was only a few meters in diameter. But if the Shield World in the slipspace bubble somehow came out of Slipspace, would it still be that diameter.

6) It has been said by the Encyclopedia that the Forerunners are not dead, that they left the galaxy post-activation. Why would Medicant Bias send the Chief to the Spartans, unless he has a greater plan for them all (which wouldn't surprise me)? Mendicant wouldn't knowingly be sending them to the Spartans. It would be a coincidence that the Spartans happened to be there. There could also be the possibility that Mendicant didn't interfere with the Portal at all.

7) The Chief is supposed to be facing a force that threatens the entire universe. Why would Onyx threaten the universe? See above. "Finding" the Spartans wouldn't be the only part of the story. Also, if the shield world came out of slipspace, it wouldn't necessarily be in the Onyx system.

  • 06.17.2011 8:26 AM PDT

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My theory is that the opening in the legendary planet is a slipspace rift to the Micro Dyson Sphere.

  • 06.17.2011 8:34 AM PDT

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Posted by: gtfan92
The following thread discussing the possible plot of Halo 4 involves conjecture that cannot be proven to be true.

Ever since Halo 3 launched, many people have wondered what the back half of the Forward Unto Dawn was floating towards at the end of the game on Legendary difficulty. Though the mysterious planetoid appeared to be Forerunner in origin, many were left grasping at straws on how that planet related to something seen previously in the series. One of those theories has been that the planetoid is related to Onyx.

However, the actual "planet" of Onyx does not exist anymore.

Ghosts of Onyx, page 377-378
Onyx shattered and the surface exploded into space. Obscured by layers of dust and fire, a blazing pattern emerged beneath: crosses and lines and dots...
The view pulled back and showed that this drone-constructed scaffolding stretched over kilometers... they had been under every landmass, every ocean... under the entire surface - orderly linked rows like the carbon bonds of an infinite polymer chain, or an immense colony of living interlinked army ants.
The drones were the planet Onyx.

So, there is no way that the Legendary planet can be Onyx. (You know, since it doesn't exist anymore)

However, it is entirely possible that the planet could be the Shield World that was in-capsuled within Onyx. Bear with me here.
Ghosts of Onyx, page 364
"The Forerunners built this construct to protect these 'Reclaimers' from the Halo detonations. Like a bomb shelter.


Kurt says this to Halsey before he orders the Spartans to go into the Shield World inside of Onyx. Why is this important? Because access to Shield Worlds was only possible upon the imminent activation of the Halo Array. [still looking for proper notion in Ghosts of Onyx] This can also be noted by the fact that the events of Ghosts of Onyx ran concurrently with the Battle of Installation 05.

My theory so far: When Keyes activated and subsequently deactivated Installation 05, the entire Halo Array went into stand-by mode. This also caused the Shield Worlds to activate and close.

However, the Shield World is "hidden" inside a slipspace bubble and, while it is enormous in actual size, only appears to be a small size in normal space. Since the Array is set for remote activation, the Shield World would definitely stay in slipspace until the level "The Covenant" on Halo 3.

At the end of this level, Truth forces Sergeant Johnson to activated the rings from the Ark. In spite of this, the Chief and the Arbiter kill Truth and deactivate the Ark, meaning that the rings would have been activated and then deactivated. (obviously) Since the Shield World activated upon activation of the Array, it is not entire possible to think that they would re-open or exit slipspace once the Array had been completely deactivated.

Linking the Chief's location to the possible location of the Shield World:

Now, of the things I have presented so far, this one involves the biggest stretch.

At the end of Halo 3, the Chief and the Arbiter attempt to go through the portal as Installation 04B is destroyed. However, we know that only the Arbiter gets through back to Earth and that the Chief is left floating by the Forerunner-looking planetoid. Several theories have cropped up that Mendicant Bias, seeking atonement for his atrocities committed against the Forerunners, redirected the portal to prove to his original makers that he had changed. If this is true, it could be possible that Mendicant sent Chief to the location of a Shield World (where he could believe any remaining Forerunners may be) to prove his change in beliefs. If the Onyx shield world did indeed come out of slipspace after the Ark's deactivation, this could very well be it.

Another theory is that the Portal collapsed due to stress inflicted by the explosion of Installation 04B. If this is true, it is feasible that the back of the Dawn got dropped off at a fail-safe location. In all likelihood, a fail-safe location for the portal leaving the Ark would drop off near a Shield World in order to rendezvous with any possible survivors of an activation that used the Shield World.

Like all theories related to predicting Halo 4's plot, this one has its drawbacks. I have delineated two:
1) Halsey said that the Shield World was a Micro-Dyson's sphere, meaning that it would be HUGE. In both the Legendary-ending to Halo 3 and the trailer to Halo 4, the planetoid did not appear to be exceedingly large. However, using this picture you could make a case that the perspective is tricky and you can't completely tell the exact size of the planet.
2) If Halo: Legends is considered canon (it was created by 343i, so it likely is) then it would mean that about four years has past since the end of Halo 3. If the Chief was purposely redirected towards a Shield World, why would it take this long for something to happen?

Why do I think this is possible? Master Chief will always be linked to his fellow Spartans, Dr. Halsey, and SCPO Mendez. As of right now, both the Chief and the group in the Shield World share an important trait: they are both stranded without any immediate possibilities of a way out. The pieces would logically fit together for the Chief to find or rescue them from the Shield World. (or vice-versa)

TL;DR: When the Ark was deactivated, the Onyx-based Shield World came out of slipspace at some location and the Chief somehow got redirected to this location went he went through the portal at the end of Halo 3.

Thoughts? Criticisms?


I was looking through hasleys journal and fond a small picture of a star system,theres a blue circle around a black bloch and and an arrow pointing at it.At the bottom of the card it say "A new threat?"

On the back it say(Word for word):


Catherine

As far as I know we don't officially have anything in this sector we certainly don't have anything as BIG as this seems to be. Size-wise, it's got to be something in the neighborhood of
Uranus XV9Puck0...AND this is a 10 min exposure - no p/y/r - this object definitely exhibits what i would have to discribe as guided movement.

I know the chatternet isn't your kinda thing,but if you want to weigh in on this >> <sci.space.science.misc>...it'll be pretty obious once you're in.

~JC

  • 06.17.2011 8:41 AM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

nice theory if you actually thought up of this by yourself, and not halopedia or by using my theory.

  • 06.17.2011 9:08 AM PDT

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