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Subject: Halo 4 : Impossible

"Me? Who am I but a lowly Sangheili, not knowing what is happening in There. There, what lies my peoples' future. There, where I cannot make desicions on who we fight. There, the homeworld of my people." ~ Enme Etsor

Poll: Halo 4 : Impossible  [closed]
Solid explination, Halo 4 isn't possible:  6%
(7 Votes)
Good explination, some holes, but still maybe not:  12%
(15 Votes)
Neutral:  22%
(27 Votes)
Bad explination, many holes, possible:  29%
(35 Votes)
Horrid explination, nothing correct:  31%
(38 Votes)
Total Votes: 122

I posted this in another form and I'd like some more feedback.


I'm a guy open to many, many things. I've enjoyed Halo through the years, done extensive research on the games, books, comics, fan-based things, even so far as to create my own Fleet with Elites, and my own original Halo character : Enme 'Etsoree.

But one thing that is impossible to my mind is Halo 4.

To me, this is like... a complete -blam!- moment. I haven't seen the trailer for it yet, but hearing about it just makes me... frustrated. It ruins the Halo trilogy. I completely understand that more Halo games can be made, but anything after the events in Halo 3 with the Chief aren't possible.

Let me tell you the specifics from my understanding. A LOT is from assumption from a technology and technological standpoint in the year 2553, and collective information from other futuristic sources.

According to the Origins episodes of Halo Legends, Cortana is going rampant. The 'background' space image with the UNSC Forward Unto Dawn. Rampancy, described here, and seeing other examples such as Juliana and 05-032 Mendicant Bias, show us her possible paths:

1 : Insanity like Bias went through, turning on her creators and even Master Chief possibly

2 : The more likely of the three, like Juliana went through : staying 'mental' to protect the person/peoples that she loves, in this scenario being Master Chief ( I'm saying love not as in romantic, but friendship and the kind of love where you cannot live without someone ).

3 : She will fizzle out and die.

I'm sure you guys can do your research on Juliana; she is from the book Halo: The Cole Protocol.


Even if she goes through the second state, there's an even bigger unlikely chance that Chief will survive. There's power sources, cryotechnology, location in the galaxy, ship halve remaining, and the Origins episodes to take into account.

Power sources with the cryotube ( this is continued on later for more explination purposes ). While yes, it is extremely advanced technology while compared to our own, it still needs power. The ship halve most likely cannot sustain itself with power for more than a random number of years, I'm not even going to try and guess due to the Origins consideration. Cortana might find a way to use some robots that might exsist on the ship, or some computers on it that can change metals into other elements to sustain the ships' power. Very doubtful that she can do that, though she's Cortana; a fanboy would use that as an excuse.

More with the cryo technology itself. It can sustain Chief for a very long time, yes, but without power to back that up, and the pod's power itself, he will sucumb to frostbite or along those lines and die. His suits' power as well, wouldn't work after that even if he is rescued. The more knowledgeable fans of Halo know that Linda was in cryostasis while technically dead for a few months on end without medical treatment. We at least know that a cryotube can keep a person 'alright' for that amount of time, but my theory is that it will eventually fizzle out and the person inside will die off. Nothing lasts forever.

Location. We've no idea where he's at. He could be in our spatial back yard for all we know. The planet at the end of Halo 3 is there, yes, but if the ship gets pulled towards it, he would crash land and die. The bridge was on the front half of the ship, we know this due to the Arbiter going to the navigation station on it and piloting the Dawn away from the Ark. This means that the navigation controls are gone, making it so that Cortana cannot steer the ship to safety, or land it to safety. The only possible way to survive that crash is to land in water, even if then, or help from a foreign source.

And finally, the Origins episodes. According to the beginning of that, the ship is nowhere near where it was before. It didn't crash land, it didn't receive help or anything like that. If it crashed, it wouldn't be there. If it received help, and the Chief and Cortana go through another 'full game' so to speak, why would they go back to the Dawn to escape the things that helped them?

I have also heard with the trailer that it begins immediately where Halo 3 left off : Cortana waking Chief up when they near the planet. Cortana would only know of the planets' existence with scanning technology, which was on the bridge, which isn't there. If she somehow did have the ability to scan that far out, and detect threats, she would then wake the Chief up immediately after he was frozen, a process which would take an amount of time. That time would then be wasted due to them crash landing and dying.

I've also thought up some ways as to how to continue his story.

As explained before, some foreign force could come and rescue him. If we look at the planet at the end of Halo 3, this source would most likely be old Forerunner technology; it thinking that the ship is a meteor and it 'collects' the chunk of metal to prevent damage. It would then search it and find Chief, realize he's a Reclaimer, and wake him up. He would then go through another game, and be 'rescued' or 'saved'; however the game ends. If not, and his saviors turn on him, why again would he go back to the old, busted up Forward Unto Dawn?

The second way of how to continue the story is that they bypass the planet completely, but still come into contact with some Forerunner installation, again being saved, turned on, and escaping, most likely.

The final, third way, is a new alien race.

*sighs* To me, overall, Halo 4 just ruins it somewhat. I'll most likely be irritated so much by my friends to watch it that I'll eventually end up saying "-blam!- you, fine! I'll watch it!" then end up loving it and hating myself for that for both reasons.

To the fanboys out there: Yes, I know that it's just a game and I should enjoy it. Yes, I know it's more Halo and I should love it, but I just don't.

I'd like some grammatical feedback on this, guys and gals. Tell me your thoughts.

~*~EDIT~*~

Like I stated in the previous topic, I still love how people are voting and giving me next to nothing at explaining their vote.

[Edited on 06.17.2011 2:51 PM PDT]

  • 06.17.2011 1:51 AM PDT

First of all, I don't think anybody's argument/opinion is valid until they've watched the trailer. So... you should probably watch it.

But I too am slightly upset with the new Halo game for one main reason: I can't get over the title.

I've always thought of the core Halo games (excluding Halo: Reach) as a trilogy, as would most people, considering they're titled 1-3 (well, sort of...). Additionally, the new Halo development team is planning a new trilogy centered on the Master Chief. So why are they calling it Halo 4? Why not be creative and pick a subtitle instead of the next number? Does this mean we'll be getting a Halo 6 at some point, too? If it's a new trilogy, why not start fresh?

I just sounds all too ridiculous to me, but I guess it's only my opinion. Hopefully it's just a working title and they'll think of something else before it's released.

  • 06.17.2011 2:13 AM PDT
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Posted by: MGunnzThink of it like Star Wars. It has two trilogies... the good one, and the bad one.

Hopefully Halo's setup will be good/good, though... one thing I'm worried about is Halo going down the Star Wars path and being absolutely milked into oblivion.

  • 06.17.2011 2:20 AM PDT

Posted by: ZedFish
Posted by: MGunnzThink of it like Star Wars. It has two trilogies... the good one, and the bad one.

Hopefully Halo's setup will be good/good, though... one thing I'm worried about is Halo going down the Star Wars path and being absolutely milked into oblivion.

I think it's already clear that Halo will be milked into oblivion. In fact, I think it's been clear since Halo: Legends was announced...

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wtf...

you're overthinking this way too much, just watch the trailer and get over yourself

  • 06.17.2011 2:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: MGunnz
Posted by: ZedFish
Posted by: MGunnzThink of it like Star Wars. It has two trilogies... the good one, and the bad one.

Hopefully Halo's setup will be good/good, though... one thing I'm worried about is Halo going down the Star Wars path and being absolutely milked into oblivion.

I think it's already clear that Halo will be milked into oblivion. In fact, I think it's been clear since Halo: Legends was announced...
I still have hope. My heart says that Halo will be fine, but my head is setting up a dairy business.

  • 06.17.2011 2:30 AM PDT


Posted by: MGunnz
Posted by: ZedFish
Posted by: MGunnzThink of it like Star Wars. It has two trilogies... the good one, and the bad one.

Hopefully Halo's setup will be good/good, though... one thing I'm worried about is Halo going down the Star Wars path and being absolutely milked into oblivion.

I think it's already clear that Halo will be milked into oblivion. In fact, I think it's been clear since Halo: Legends was announced...
No, it was clear since Microsoft acquired Halo. Without Halo, the Xbox is completely useless.

  • 06.17.2011 2:38 AM PDT

Well from what i understand is that ive seen videos on youtube of the halo 3 legendary ending where master chief doesnt actually die halo 4 kinda continues that. thats what i understand anyway

  • 06.17.2011 2:43 AM PDT

It was never apparent that Halo was subject to mega-franchising until after Halo 3, when Microsoft and 343i essentially took over.

  • 06.17.2011 2:43 AM PDT
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Posted by: ZedFish
Posted by: MGunnzThink of it like Star Wars. It has two trilogies... the good one, and the bad one.

Hopefully Halo's setup will be good/good, though... one thing I'm worried about is Halo going down the Star Wars path and being absolutely milked into oblivion.


Good point.

I'm not a huge supporter since this a sequel trilogy, not a prequel trilogy, so it is not needed. Also, it frustrates me as well because it's not going to be as good and it is being used to milk money.

  • 06.17.2011 3:29 AM PDT

"I do not aim with my hand; he who aims with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.
I aim with my eye.
I do not shoot with my hand; he who shoots with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.
I shoot with my mind.
I do not kill with my gun; he who kills with his gun has forgotten the face of his father.
I kill with my heart."

You really know your stuff about the haloverse i cant belive 2 people would vote the bottom vote (trolls) but you really need to see the trailer man it kinda defeats the purpose of your post.

  • 06.17.2011 4:03 AM PDT

Exact science, is not an exact science.

Speculation based on the crappy books is wrong!

First and foremost it is a game, forget the pious overtly religious guff and play the game.

For me Master chief is the preverbial heathen he smashes and bashes to get results, overthinking is for the ruling classes, the chief is a socialist hero.

  • 06.17.2011 4:12 AM PDT

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Posted by: Etsor
According to the Origins episodes of Halo Legends, Cortana is going rampant. The 'background' space image with the UNSC Forward Unto Dawn.

Cortana has gone rampant before and recovered.


Even if she goes through the second state, there's an even bigger unlikely chance that Chief will survive.

Each cryotube has its own power supply that can last for a very long time. The mjolnir suit runs on fusion power, so it is easily possible that a fusion generator could be small enough to fit in a cryo tube.


Location. We've no idea where he's at. He could be in our spatial back yard for all we know. The planet at the end of Halo 3 is there, yes, but if the ship gets pulled towards it, he would crash land and die. The bridge was on the front half of the ship, we know this due to the Arbiter going to the navigation station on it and piloting the Dawn away from the Ark. This means that the navigation controls are gone, making it so that Cortana cannot steer the ship to safety, or land it to safety. The only possible way to survive that crash is to land in water, even if then, or help from a foreign source.

In the trailer, its being drawn into the planet by a gravity well, so it will probably have its fall lessened by anti-gravity technology.


I have also heard with the trailer that it begins immediately where Halo 3 left off : Cortana waking Chief up when they near the planet. Cortana would only know of the planets' existence with scanning technology, which was on the bridge, which isn't there. If she somehow did have the ability to scan that far out, and detect threats, she would then wake the Chief up immediately after he was frozen, a process which would take an amount of time. That time would then be wasted due to them crash landing and dying.

The ship is exploding, I think that enough cause for concern without seeing a huge planetoid.

  • 06.17.2011 4:43 AM PDT


Posted by: Sigma617

Posted by: SubtleSpartan

Posted by: Etsor

I have also heard with the trailer that it begins immediately where Halo 3 left off : Cortana waking Chief up when they near the planet. Cortana would only know of the planets' existence with scanning technology, which was on the bridge, which isn't there. If she somehow did have the ability to scan that far out, and detect threats, she would then wake the Chief up immediately after he was frozen, a process which would take an amount of time. That time would then be wasted due to them crash landing and dying.

The ship is exploding, I think that enough cause for concern without seeing a huge planetoid.



^^^ Which by the way should NOT be happening as all combustible fuel would be gone as the Dawn has been exposed to bare vacuum for at least a few months.


Also because combustion can't actually occur in space. But seriously it's a cinematic. Explosions make things better.

  • 06.17.2011 8:39 AM PDT

"Me? Who am I but a lowly Sangheili, not knowing what is happening in There. There, what lies my peoples' future. There, where I cannot make desicions on who we fight. There, the homeworld of my people." ~ Enme Etsor

Posted by: HAAH WAAW

No, it was clear since Microsoft acquired Halo. Without Halo, the Xbox is completely useless.

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Posted by: MurderingKiller
Well from what i understand is that ive seen videos on youtube of the halo 3 legendary ending where master chief doesnt actually die halo 4 kinda continues that. thats what i understand anyway


I never said he died, I said he WOULD have died/will die.

SubtleSpartan :

Not fully recovered.

Either way, they will eventually run out. It doesn't matter how long, they WILL run out.

Your last two comments contradict each other; if it's lessened by anti-gravity technology, then why is it exploding?

  • 06.17.2011 2:29 PM PDT

"Me? Who am I but a lowly Sangheili, not knowing what is happening in There. There, what lies my peoples' future. There, where I cannot make desicions on who we fight. There, the homeworld of my people." ~ Enme Etsor


Posted by: BatteryTree
^^^ Which by the way should NOT be happening as all combustible fuel would be gone as the Dawn has been exposed to bare vacuum for at least a few months.[/quote]

Also because combustion can't actually occur in space. But seriously it's a cinematic. Explosions make things better.


I can occure inside of the ship where oxygen still might be at. How is Chief breathing, exactly? There still might be some of the stuff left around him before he went into the pod; thus recycling.


Posted by: SHOMENUCHI
Speculation based on the crappy books is wrong!

First and foremost it is a game, forget the pious overtly religious guff and play the game.

For me Master chief is the preverbial heathen he smashes and bashes to get results, overthinking is for the ruling classes, the chief is a socialist hero.


Speculation of your crappy post is wrong! What you said contradicts itself; you said forget the 'pious overtly religious guff and play the game'. Your thinking of the Chief is basically the same thing you just said for me to get over.


Posted by: noble6sfriend
wtf...

you're overthinking this way too much, just watch the trailer and get over yourself


Not really.

  • 06.17.2011 2:30 PM PDT

1) Part of the story will likely be having to deal with Cortana's insanity

2) The ship operates on nuclear fusion power; the power could last for decades if it wanted.

3) The cryostasis lasts as long as the power works. If you watch the trailer (you should watch it) the Chief's body is in complete shutdown. To someone on the outside, he is dead, but the cryo tube has the ability to keep the body working indefinitely.

4) Watch the trailer; the ship is getting tractor beamed into some sort of a portal or Shield World. It won't crash

5) They've been sent to this mysterious world by Medicant Bias to do something we don't know yet (7th Legendary Terminal, Halo 3), they're not meant to be rescued right yet.

6) She woke the Chief up after the ship started exploding for unknown reasons. Watch the trailer.

Seriously, you need to know what you're talking about before calling BS.

  • 06.17.2011 2:59 PM PDT

1-Most of the points you brought up are contradicted by the trailer

2-Who said there isn't a second power generator somewhere it the aft end of the ship?

3-It's a videogame, it doesn't have to follow real life physics

3 strikes and you are outa here!!!

[Edited on 06.17.2011 3:02 PM PDT]

  • 06.17.2011 3:02 PM PDT

Halo 3: Lone Wolves - 44
Team Slayer - 38
Team Doubles - 46
Team Snipers - 25
MLG - 20
Team SWAT - 28
Halo: Reach: Brigadier Grade 2 - 73% Armory Completion

Regardless, it's being made. This is pointless.

  • 06.17.2011 3:07 PM PDT

Walk softly, and carry a big midget.


Posted by: Sigma617
^^^ Which by the way should NOT be happening as all combustible fuel would be gone as the Dawn has been exposed to bare vacuum for at least a few months.


Just to confirm, Halo 4 takes place around 4 years after Halo 3.

  • 06.17.2011 3:10 PM PDT

"Me? Who am I but a lowly Sangheili, not knowing what is happening in There. There, what lies my peoples' future. There, where I cannot make desicions on who we fight. There, the homeworld of my people." ~ Enme Etsor


Posted by: StormyROCKER Z
1-Most of the points you brought up are contradicted by the trailer

2-Who said there isn't a second power generator somewhere it the aft end of the ship?

3-It's a videogame, it doesn't have to follow real life physics

3 strikes and you are outa here!!!


1 : Howso? Explain yourself or your argument is invalid.
2 : As I stated in a different post, EMP burst from the radiation being thrown off of the Ark and the Portal both collapsing and exploding.
3 : It does follow real physics, though, just not 'our' physics.

Uh-huh.

  • 06.17.2011 3:10 PM PDT

"Me? Who am I but a lowly Sangheili, not knowing what is happening in There. There, what lies my peoples' future. There, where I cannot make desicions on who we fight. There, the homeworld of my people." ~ Enme Etsor


Posted by: Jayster 94

Posted by: Sigma617
^^^ Which by the way should NOT be happening as all combustible fuel would be gone as the Dawn has been exposed to bare vacuum for at least a few months.


Just to confirm, Halo 4 takes place around 4 years after Halo 3.


That's if we take Legends into the canon. If not, then it's immediately after Halo 3.

  • 06.17.2011 3:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: Etsor

Posted by: Jayster 94

Posted by: Sigma617
^^^ Which by the way should NOT be happening as all combustible fuel would be gone as the Dawn has been exposed to bare vacuum for at least a few months.


Just to confirm, Halo 4 takes place around 4 years after Halo 3.


That's if we take Legends into the canon. If not, then it's immediately after Halo 3.


Don't be a fool,it's canon.We can't decide it,343 does and they view it as canon.

And origins takes place around 5 years after Halo 3,but who says Halo 4 starts immediatley after origins?

  • 06.17.2011 3:20 PM PDT

Walk softly, and carry a big midget.


Posted by: Etsor

Posted by: Jayster 94

Posted by: Sigma617
^^^ Which by the way should NOT be happening as all combustible fuel would be gone as the Dawn has been exposed to bare vacuum for at least a few months.


Just to confirm, Halo 4 takes place around 4 years after Halo 3.


That's if we take Legends into the canon. If not, then it's immediately after Halo 3.


Uhhh... what? Why wouldn't you take it as canon? 343 have and will. Halo 4 takes place about 4 years after Halo 3. It's a fact.

  • 06.17.2011 3:20 PM PDT

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