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Subject: Halo 4 : Impossible

"Me? Who am I but a lowly Sangheili, not knowing what is happening in There. There, what lies my peoples' future. There, where I cannot make desicions on who we fight. There, the homeworld of my people." ~ Enme Etsor

Alright, let's be clear :

IF Halo: Legends is considered as a canon, either way, where's the planet at the end of Origins II? Why is the space dust/star colors, ect. background different from the trailer itself? what is pulling the ship towards something, if it's using a tractor beam?

It's not using a tractor beam due to the ship exploding. Something is attacking it. It's unfriendly.

  • 06.17.2011 3:53 PM PDT

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Looks like something is pulling it in
That technology is also in halo wars... kind of.

Halo is more than just a game.

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I don't think so and here is why:

To begin with, Cortana was shown rapidly progressing through rampancy from the very first time she interacted with Halo's mainframe when John used her to attain The Index. She becomes moody, even slightly distant as she absorbed mounds upon mounds of Forerunner data into herself. This was her first brush with advancing through rampancy.

This did not play a tremendous part in Halo 2, but we witnessed her betrayal in the after-credits scene, her submission to the Gravemind's queries, which was also later expounded in Halo 3 during 'Cortana' when she told John that he could not resist him.

We hear her cries and her screams throughout this level, bringing forth memories of Dr. Halsey and her own, quoting old quotes and veering back and forth between personalities, between emotions of fear and contempt and hope.

The Gravemind forced Cortana into a terrible state of rampancy.

But... John saved her. Cortana even emotionally whimpers, "You found me...!" when you finally break the barrier of the construct she is being held in.

She sounds weak and exhausted after being put back into John's head... and shows genuine, unprecedented emotion from there on.

This is much more akin to the fourth, last, transcendent stage of rampancy known as meta-stability, in which an artificial intelligence is said to achieve true sentience, leaving the "artificial" behind.

This is expanded on in Origins, when she experiences an actual dream... when she outwardly expressed emotion about the Chief. Frankie touches on her behavior as well in a few interviews.

Whether she is meta-stable or not, we can't know for sure, but that little detail was not mentioned for no reason at all, and Cortana certainly wasn't about to think herself to death like she was in the Gravemind's system, either.

It's a viable explanation.

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A problem I have with your thread is that you are being very one-dimensional with your purported circumstances that Halo 4 could entail. You assume the Master Chief, logically, should die, because his ship will crash if he is sucked into this fortress-like world.

There are tractor-beam-esque things in the Haloverse. In fact, if that's precisely what is pulling the aft of the ship into the planetoid to begin with, it would make sense that it could and would for context's sake not just pull it into its surface and cause it to explode.

Even if that were the case, did you forget the very beginning of Halo 3? Master Chief did what the Spartans in First Strike did when in free-fall... he put the gel-layers of his suit in lockdown to cushion, as best it could, a free-fall right into the ground, and at an angle to reduce impact pressure.

There are so many different scenarios, which should be obvious to you, given this is a creative work of fiction, and even in real life, things are not so unilateral.

It sounds like you're bitter at the existence of the game at all. If that's the case, then don't play it... it's not rehashing anything, so why be bothered?

You're so worked up over what you find illogical, but obviously, these guys are professionals and are going to work it along a line of logic that will make it work. You can't be so judgmental as to say, 'This is obviously the only context, so it doesn't make sense that he would survive'.

You're not part of their developmental team.

  • 06.17.2011 5:13 PM PDT

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I think 343i out votes your opinions

  • 06.17.2011 5:46 PM PDT


Posted by: Etsor
I posted this in another form and I'd like some more feedback.


I'm a guy open to many, many things. I've enjoyed Halo through the years, done extensive research on the games, books, comics, fan-based things, even so far as to create my own Fleet with Elites, and my own original Halo character : Enme 'Etsoree.

But one thing that is impossible to my mind is Halo 4.

To me, this is like... a complete -blam!- moment. I haven't seen the trailer for it yet, but hearing about it just makes me... frustrated. It ruins the Halo trilogy. I completely understand that more Halo games can be made, but anything after the events in Halo 3 with the Chief aren't possible.

Let me tell you the specifics from my understanding. A LOT is from assumption from a technology and technological standpoint in the year 2553, and collective information from other futuristic sources.

According to the Origins episodes of Halo Legends, Cortana is going rampant. The 'background' space image with the UNSC Forward Unto Dawn. Rampancy, described here, and seeing other examples such as Juliana and 05-032 Mendicant Bias, show us her possible paths:

1 : Insanity like Bias went through, turning on her creators and even Master Chief possibly

2 : The more likely of the three, like Juliana went through : staying 'mental' to protect the person/peoples that she loves, in this scenario being Master Chief ( I'm saying love not as in romantic, but friendship and the kind of love where you cannot live without someone ).

3 : She will fizzle out and die.

I'm sure you guys can do your research on Juliana; she is from the book Halo: The Cole Protocol.


Even if she goes through the second state, there's an even bigger unlikely chance that Chief will survive. There's power sources, cryotechnology, location in the galaxy, ship halve remaining, and the Origins episodes to take into account.

Power sources with the cryotube ( this is continued on later for more explination purposes ). While yes, it is extremely advanced technology while compared to our own, it still needs power. The ship halve most likely cannot sustain itself with power for more than a random number of years, I'm not even going to try and guess due to the Origins consideration. Cortana might find a way to use some robots that might exsist on the ship, or some computers on it that can change metals into other elements to sustain the ships' power. Very doubtful that she can do that, though she's Cortana; a fanboy would use that as an excuse.

More with the cryo technology itself. It can sustain Chief for a very long time, yes, but without power to back that up, and the pod's power itself, he will sucumb to frostbite or along those lines and die. His suits' power as well, wouldn't work after that even if he is rescued. The more knowledgeable fans of Halo know that Linda was in cryostasis while technically dead for a few months on end without medical treatment. We at least know that a cryotube can keep a person 'alright' for that amount of time, but my theory is that it will eventually fizzle out and the person inside will die off. Nothing lasts forever.

Location. We've no idea where he's at. He could be in our spatial back yard for all we know. The planet at the end of Halo 3 is there, yes, but if the ship gets pulled towards it, he would crash land and die. The bridge was on the front half of the ship, we know this due to the Arbiter going to the navigation station on it and piloting the Dawn away from the Ark. This means that the navigation controls are gone, making it so that Cortana cannot steer the ship to safety, or land it to safety. The only possible way to survive that crash is to land in water, even if then, or help from a foreign source.

And finally, the Origins episodes. According to the beginning of that, the ship is nowhere near where it was before. It didn't crash land, it didn't receive help or anything like that. If it crashed, it wouldn't be there. If it received help, and the Chief and Cortana go through another 'full game' so to speak, why would they go back to the Dawn to escape the things that helped them?

I have also heard with the trailer that it begins immediately where Halo 3 left off : Cortana waking Chief up when they near the planet. Cortana would only know of the planets' existence with scanning technology, which was on the bridge, which isn't there. If she somehow did have the ability to scan that far out, and detect threats, she would then wake the Chief up immediately after he was frozen, a process which would take an amount of time. That time would then be wasted due to them crash landing and dying.

I've also thought up some ways as to how to continue his story.

As explained before, some foreign force could come and rescue him. If we look at the planet at the end of Halo 3, this source would most likely be old Forerunner technology; it thinking that the ship is a meteor and it 'collects' the chunk of metal to prevent damage. It would then search it and find Chief, realize he's a Reclaimer, and wake him up. He would then go through another game, and be 'rescued' or 'saved'; however the game ends. If not, and his saviors turn on him, why again would he go back to the old, busted up Forward Unto Dawn?

The second way of how to continue the story is that they bypass the planet completely, but still come into contact with some Forerunner installation, again being saved, turned on, and escaping, most likely.

The final, third way, is a new alien race.

*sighs* To me, overall, Halo 4 just ruins it somewhat. I'll most likely be irritated so much by my friends to watch it that I'll eventually end up saying "-blam!- you, fine! I'll watch it!" then end up loving it and hating myself for that for both reasons.

To the fanboys out there: Yes, I know that it's just a game and I should enjoy it. Yes, I know it's more Halo and I should love it, but I just don't.

I'd like some grammatical feedback on this, guys and gals. Tell me your thoughts.

~*~EDIT~*~

Like I stated in the previous topic, I still love how people are voting and giving me next to nothing at explaining their vote.



First off, watch the trailer.

Secondly- Blah. I was about to explain how power is obviously not an issue, since if there is any power supply at all then it will easily be able to sustain a crew of one, and a single AI. And mention that all your other points are baseless and disregard logic. Forerunners worlds are known for containing alien forms. ONI has been investigating the planet, and hes set up base on it. Cortana is just entering a phase a rampancy, it will be part of the plot but will not disable the game from progressing. Obviously. There will be enemies, allies, and story. Nothing prevents a game from taking place.
Now, I'll refrain from going into any more detail because there is just no need.

And for grammatical feedback, it's explAnation.

  • 06.17.2011 6:09 PM PDT

"Me? Who am I but a lowly Sangheili, not knowing what is happening in There. There, what lies my peoples' future. There, where I cannot make desicions on who we fight. There, the homeworld of my people." ~ Enme Etsor


Posted by: Spartan 100
Looks like something is pulling it in
That technology is also in halo wars... kind of.

Halo is more than just a game.


That's also not the same planet from the end of Halo 3. In that sense it looks like something is pulling it in, but it still doesn't make sense at why the ship is exploding.

  • 06.17.2011 6:26 PM PDT

"Me? Who am I but a lowly Sangheili, not knowing what is happening in There. There, what lies my peoples' future. There, where I cannot make desicions on who we fight. There, the homeworld of my people." ~ Enme Etsor


Posted by: Lumbearjack
ONI has been investigating the planet, and hes set up base on it. Cortana is just entering a phase a rampancy, it will be part of the plot but will not disable the game from progressing. Obviously. There will be enemies, allies, and story. Nothing prevents a game from taking place.
Now, I'll refrain from going into any more detail because there is just no need.

And for grammatical feedback, it's explAnation.


And you're pulling this information from... where?

No one's perfect: sue me. Word didn't correct every mistake I made.

  • 06.17.2011 6:27 PM PDT


Posted by: Dream053
I don't think so and here is why:

To begin with, Cortana was shown rapidly progressing through rampancy from the very first time she interacted with Halo's mainframe when John used her to attain The Index. She becomes moody, even slightly distant as she absorbed mounds upon mounds of Forerunner data into herself. This was her first brush with advancing through rampancy.

This did not play a tremendous part in Halo 2, but we witnessed her betrayal in the after-credits scene, her submission to the Gravemind's queries, which was also later expounded in Halo 3 during 'Cortana' when she told John that he could not resist him.

We hear her cries and her screams throughout this level, bringing forth memories of Dr. Halsey and her own, quoting old quotes and veering back and forth between personalities, between emotions of fear and contempt and hope.

The Gravemind forced Cortana into a terrible state of rampancy.

But... John saved her. Cortana even emotionally whimpers, "You found me...!" when you finally break the barrier of the construct she is being held in.

She sounds weak and exhausted after being put back into John's head... and shows genuine, unprecedented emotion from there on.

This is much more akin to the fourth, last, transcendent stage of rampancy known as meta-stability, in which an artificial intelligence is said to achieve true sentience, leaving the "artificial" behind.

This is expanded on in Origins, when she experiences an actual dream... when she outwardly expressed emotion about the Chief. Frankie touches on her behavior as well in a few interviews.

Whether she is meta-stable or not, we can't know for sure, but that little detail was not mentioned for no reason at all, and Cortana certainly wasn't about to think herself to death like she was in the Gravemind's system, either.

It's a viable explanation.

--

A problem I have with your thread is that you are being very one-dimensional with your purported circumstances that Halo 4 could entail. You assume the Master Chief, logically, should die, because his ship will crash if he is sucked into this fortress-like world.

There are tractor-beam-esque things in the Haloverse. In fact, if that's precisely what is pulling the aft of the ship into the planetoid to begin with, it would make sense that it could and would for context's sake not just pull it into its surface and cause it to explode.

Even if that were the case, did you forget the very beginning of Halo 3? Master Chief did what the Spartans in First Strike did when in free-fall... he put the gel-layers of his suit in lockdown to cushion, as best it could, a free-fall right into the ground, and at an angle to reduce impact pressure.

There are so many different scenarios, which should be obvious to you, given this is a creative work of fiction, and even in real life, things are not so unilateral.

It sounds like you're bitter at the existence of the game at all. If that's the case, then don't play it... it's not rehashing anything, so why be bothered?

You're so worked up over what you find illogical, but obviously, these guys are professionals and are going to work it along a line of logic that will make it work. You can't be so judgmental as to say, 'This is obviously the only context, so it doesn't make sense that he would survive'.

You're not part of their developmental team.


This person is absolutely correct.

  • 06.17.2011 9:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dream053
This person is absolutely correct.
I agree.

  • 06.17.2011 9:16 PM PDT
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stfu OP you don't anything

  • 06.17.2011 9:18 PM PDT

I think you got a well structured idea going there but the Halo universe can always expand. My thoughts are that it's very unlikley that Cheif, Cortana, and the Arbiter could survive for that long in space given there circumstances. half the ship is gone, their location is unknown and they are at the front door of some mysterious structure.

Now the structue can be many possible things all through theroies and speculation until new information is given. the most likely is Forerunner planet/weapon long lost and probably controlled by rare survivors of the past or even the Sentinels. Some say the Precursors which would be a interesting turn of events but we don't know enough about them to lay solid evidence that they waited in the dark until this point to do something in the Halo universe. theres always room for more races, the covenant may be in shambles but whose to say John and the gang jumped to another galaxy and find a whole new world open to them? That could add new races and societies and with it a whole new goal and story for a trilogy like they plan.

I think what I'm trying to say is, I like your reasons and ideas which are well supported but I belive the possiblity of another trilogy stands.

P.s: This was a teaser trailer so it porbably has no real relevance to anything, just an announcemnet trailer to get the fans pumped.

  • 06.17.2011 9:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: Etsor

Posted by: Spartan 100
Looks like something is pulling it in
That technology is also in halo wars... kind of.

Halo is more than just a game.


That's also not the same planet from the end of Halo 3. In that sense it looks like something is pulling it in, but it still doesn't make sense at why the ship is exploding.

[>_<] It is the same planet!

  • 06.17.2011 9:42 PM PDT
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I voted neutral. Your theory holds ground, especially the part about Cortana, but all of this could be explained easily by 343.

But they should call this game something different.

  • 06.17.2011 9:43 PM PDT


Posted by: Spartan 100

Halo is more than just a game.


Yes...

It's a Lifestyle :)

  • 06.17.2011 9:59 PM PDT

Actually, I think that Cortana going rampant and insane would make for a good story. Maybe she dies in Halo 4 5 or 6....Maybe the Chief dies at the end of 6, who knows.....

  • 06.17.2011 10:15 PM PDT

BE HUMAN

Fight for Earth. Fight for Humanity.

Hell to the yeah, dude! Just forget this guy who prays every night that halo was real and he could be a spartan and just ENJOY THE GAME!!

  • 06.18.2011 2:29 AM PDT
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343 have said that it does not take place directly after Halo 3's ending. TBH I think you should do your research before complaining about something you actually know very little about.

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  • 06.18.2011 3:16 AM PDT

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Watch the trailer before judging it. Anyway I think that the jet-pack spawning on him was pretty lame. Also he was - whats that phrase called I remember it's from that story 'Dirt' - flash-thawed, I guess?, from the cryo-tube and I don't think there can be fire in space, 'cos there's no oxygen, right? (the ship was burning)


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  • 06.19.2011 1:26 AM PDT


Posted by: Etsor
I posted this in another form and I'd like some more feedback.


I'm a guy open to many, many things. I've enjoyed Halo through the years, done extensive research on the games, books, comics, fan-based things, even so far as to create my own Fleet with Elites, and my own original Halo character : Enme 'Etsoree.

But one thing that is impossible to my mind is Halo 4.

To me, this is like... a complete -blam!- moment. I haven't seen the trailer for it yet, but hearing about it just makes me... frustrated. It ruins the Halo trilogy. I completely understand that more Halo games can be made, but anything after the events in Halo 3 with the Chief aren't possible.

Let me tell you the specifics from my understanding. A LOT is from assumption from a technology and technological standpoint in the year 2553, and collective information from other futuristic sources.

According to the Origins episodes of Halo Legends, Cortana is going rampant. The 'background' space image with the UNSC Forward Unto Dawn. Rampancy, described here, and seeing other examples such as Juliana and 05-032 Mendicant Bias, show us her possible paths:

1 : Insanity like Bias went through, turning on her creators and even Master Chief possibly

2 : The more likely of the three, like Juliana went through : staying 'mental' to protect the person/peoples that she loves, in this scenario being Master Chief ( I'm saying love not as in romantic, but friendship and the kind of love where you cannot live without someone ).

3 : She will fizzle out and die.

I'm sure you guys can do your research on Juliana; she is from the book Halo: The Cole Protocol.


Even if she goes through the second state, there's an even bigger unlikely chance that Chief will survive. There's power sources, cryotechnology, location in the galaxy, ship halve remaining, and the Origins episodes to take into account.

Power sources with the cryotube ( this is continued on later for more explination purposes ). While yes, it is extremely advanced technology while compared to our own, it still needs power. The ship halve most likely cannot sustain itself with power for more than a random number of years, I'm not even going to try and guess due to the Origins consideration. Cortana might find a way to use some robots that might exsist on the ship, or some computers on it that can change metals into other elements to sustain the ships' power. Very doubtful that she can do that, though she's Cortana; a fanboy would use that as an excuse.

More with the cryo technology itself. It can sustain Chief for a very long time, yes, but without power to back that up, and the pod's power itself, he will sucumb to frostbite or along those lines and die. His suits' power as well, wouldn't work after that even if he is rescued. The more knowledgeable fans of Halo know that Linda was in cryostasis while technically dead for a few months on end without medical treatment. We at least know that a cryotube can keep a person 'alright' for that amount of time, but my theory is that it will eventually fizzle out and the person inside will die off. Nothing lasts forever.

Location. We've no idea where he's at. He could be in our spatial back yard for all we know. The planet at the end of Halo 3 is there, yes, but if the ship gets pulled towards it, he would crash land and die. The bridge was on the front half of the ship, we know this due to the Arbiter going to the navigation station on it and piloting the Dawn away from the Ark. This means that the navigation controls are gone, making it so that Cortana cannot steer the ship to safety, or land it to safety. The only possible way to survive that crash is to land in water, even if then, or help from a foreign source.

And finally, the Origins episodes. According to the beginning of that, the ship is nowhere near where it was before. It didn't crash land, it didn't receive help or anything like that. If it crashed, it wouldn't be there. If it received help, and the Chief and Cortana go through another 'full game' so to speak, why would they go back to the Dawn to escape the things that helped them?

I have also heard with the trailer that it begins immediately where Halo 3 left off : Cortana waking Chief up when they near the planet. Cortana would only know of the planets' existence with scanning technology, which was on the bridge, which isn't there. If she somehow did have the ability to scan that far out, and detect threats, she would then wake the Chief up immediately after he was frozen, a process which would take an amount of time. That time would then be wasted due to them crash landing and dying.

I've also thought up some ways as to how to continue his story.

As explained before, some foreign force could come and rescue him. If we look at the planet at the end of Halo 3, this source would most likely be old Forerunner technology; it thinking that the ship is a meteor and it 'collects' the chunk of metal to prevent damage. It would then search it and find Chief, realize he's a Reclaimer, and wake him up. He would then go through another game, and be 'rescued' or 'saved'; however the game ends. If not, and his saviors turn on him, why again would he go back to the old, busted up Forward Unto Dawn?

The second way of how to continue the story is that they bypass the planet completely, but still come into contact with some Forerunner installation, again being saved, turned on, and escaping, most likely.

The final, third way, is a new alien race.

*sighs* To me, overall, Halo 4 just ruins it somewhat. I'll most likely be irritated so much by my friends to watch it that I'll eventually end up saying "-blam!- you, fine! I'll watch it!" then end up loving it and hating myself for that for both reasons.

To the fanboys out there: Yes, I know that it's just a game and I should enjoy it. Yes, I know it's more Halo and I should love it, but I just don't.

I'd like some grammatical feedback on this, guys and gals. Tell me your thoughts.

~*~EDIT~*~

Like I stated in the previous topic, I still love how people are voting and giving me next to nothing at explaining their vote.


Ok first off, watch the trailer for yourself before making any sort of assumptions. Otherwise you'll only make yourself look bad, either a fool or worse.

And second of all, your interpretations of information from other Halo media is not very accurate at all. Cortana has ALREADY gone through Rampancy, she was forced into by the Gravemind much like Mendicant Bias, she is no longer Rampant not in any dangerous way or anything. She has either entered Meta-Stability or is well on her way there.

You are just flat out wrong on your idea that Chief would die. Cryo tubes have a self-sustained power supply, which is why they can be jettisoned into space and still pull live people out of them as long as the pod itself is completely intact. So power would not be a problem. Especially since the most likely place for a Frigate's engines would be in the aft section of the ship which is exactly what broke off when the Portal collapsed.

Sure power would eventually give out, but you have absolutely no idea when that would be, it certainly would not be 4-5 years, which is the only time table we actually know about how long Chief and Cortana have been out there.

I don't think you can claim with any certainty that Chief would die from the crash either...he survived the jump from orbit at the intro of Halo 3 with absolutely no problem aside from being knocked out for a couple hours.

How the bloody frak can you possibly tell they're not in the same place they were at the end of Halo 3 in Origins? Are you bleeding insane? What are you even babbling on about in that section? O_o

Um, Cortana has external cameras or something quite similar on the outside of the Dawn's aft end, and quite a few other means of looking outside the ship. She would be able to see the damn planetoid. I'm not even sure you know what you're talking about. I don't have anything else to say other than that I think you are being quite foolish and making yourself look silly.

Sorry if I come on too strongly and sound offensice, it's right about that time of the month again, if you know what I mean >_>

  • 06.19.2011 9:22 PM PDT
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I want Halo 3 back how it was.

You made a very solid point. But, without knowing they get sucked in by a portal of some kind, your post is useless. And means nothing.

Your only point that stands is Legends. But saf=dly, that is overruled by the fact that Legends has to deal with Artistic Licenenses, and the fact only the main part of Legends is canon. So any small battle(Like character vs character) or visual aspect is not canon.

In origins, the only canon is that Cortona recealed info on the Flood and Forerruners.

  • 06.19.2011 9:32 PM PDT
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I want Halo 3 back how it was.


Posted by: Etsor

Posted by: Lumbearjack
ONI has been investigating the planet, and hes set up base on it. Cortana is just entering a phase a rampancy, it will be part of the plot but will not disable the game from progressing. Obviously. There will be enemies, allies, and story. Nothing prevents a game from taking place.
Now, I'll refrain from going into any more detail because there is just no need.

And for grammatical feedback, it's explAnation.


And you're pulling this information from... where?

No one's perfect: sue me. Word didn't correct every mistake I made.

His info is from an unsourced leak, rumors say it's Tom Morrello(The guy who revealed reach's game mechanics) or whatever, like someone working with him.

  • 06.19.2011 9:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: RaamSkorge
But saf=dly, that is overruled by the fact that Legends has to deal with Artistic Licenenses, and the fact only the main part of Legends is canon. So any small battle(Like character vs character) or visual aspect is not canon.

Not really. Cortana's recollection of the final days of the Human-Covenant War are sketchy, but what exactly would you think had you been out of commission for so long and you see the Arbiter helping Chief? Not saying it's canon though.

The Battle of Algolis? Canon
Arbiter vs Covenant Army? Canon
Raid for Halsey? Canon

  • 06.19.2011 9:40 PM PDT
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Rawr Im a dino!

Location. We've no idea where he's at. He could be in our spatial back yard for all we know. The planet at the end of Halo 3 is there, yes, but if the ship gets pulled towards it, he would crash land and die. The bridge was on the front half of the ship, we know this due to the Arbiter going to the navigation station on it and piloting the Dawn away from the Ark. This means that the navigation controls are gone, making it so that Cortana cannot steer the ship to safety, or land it to safety. The only possible way to survive that crash is to land in water, even if then, or help from a foreign source.

We do not know that all of the actual Hardware for the ship was located in the birdge or maybe Cortana has no idea that they are drifting towards the planet! You are also forgetting about locking his armor. Sure it is risky but since Master Chief is the luckiest of all Spartans he would survive and I'm sure whatever is bringing the Dawn in must help then at least.


And finally, the Origins episodes. According to the beginning of that, the ship is nowhere near where it was before. It didn't crash land, it didn't receive help or anything like that. If it crashed, it wouldn't be there. If it received help, and the Chief and Cortana go through another 'full game' so to speak, why would they go back to the Dawn to escape the things that helped them?



If your talking about how Cortana had that exstensive data she did spend alot of time analyzing informations in Installation 04.

I have also heard with the trailer that it begins immediately where Halo 3 left off : Cortana waking Chief up when they near the planet. Cortana would only know of the planets' existence with scanning technology, which was on the bridge, which isn't there. If she somehow did have the ability to scan that far out, and detect threats, she would then wake the Chief up immediately after he was frozen, a process which would take an amount of time. That time would then be wasted due to them crash landing and dying.


Again Cortana doesn't necessarily know of the threat. All she is seeing is explosion after explosion. Like I also said before Master Chief will survive. he is lucky and he has Armor Lock. Besides what kind of a game would it be if the main character dies in the first 5 minutes.

[Edited on 06.19.2011 9:51 PM PDT]

  • 06.19.2011 9:50 PM PDT


Posted by: Etsor

Posted by: Spartan 100
Looks like something is pulling it in
That technology is also in halo wars... kind of.

Halo is more than just a game.


That's also not the same planet from the end of Halo 3. In that sense it looks like something is pulling it in, but it still doesn't make sense at why the ship is exploding.


What?!? O_o
It's the exact same planet, whatever made you think it wasn't?

  • 06.21.2011 6:50 PM PDT

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