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Subject: Halo 4 : Impossible

Posted by: Etsor
I posted this in another form and I'd like some more feedback.


I'm a guy open to many, many things. I've enjoyed Halo through the years, done extensive research on the games, books, comics, fan-based things, even so far as to create my own Fleet with Elites, and my own original Halo character : Enme 'Etsoree.

But one thing that is impossible to my mind is Halo 4.

To me, this is like... a complete -blam!- moment. I haven't seen the trailer for it yet, but hearing about it just makes me... frustrated. It ruins the Halo trilogy. I completely understand that more Halo games can be made, but anything after the events in Halo 3 with the Chief aren't possible.

Let me tell you the specifics from my understanding. A LOT is from assumption from a technology and technological standpoint in the year 2553, and collective information from other futuristic sources.

According to the Origins episodes of Halo Legends, Cortana is going rampant. The 'background' space image with the UNSC Forward Unto Dawn. Rampancy, described here, and seeing other examples such as Juliana and 05-032 Mendicant Bias, show us her possible paths:

1 : Insanity like Bias went through, turning on her creators and even Master Chief possibly

2 : The more likely of the three, like Juliana went through : staying 'mental' to protect the person/peoples that she loves, in this scenario being Master Chief ( I'm saying love not as in romantic, but friendship and the kind of love where you cannot live without someone ).

3 : She will fizzle out and die.

I'm sure you guys can do your research on Juliana; she is from the book Halo: The Cole Protocol.


Even if she goes through the second state, there's an even bigger unlikely chance that Chief will survive. There's power sources, cryotechnology, location in the galaxy, ship halve remaining, and the Origins episodes to take into account.

Power sources with the cryotube ( this is continued on later for more explination purposes ). While yes, it is extremely advanced technology while compared to our own, it still needs power. The ship halve most likely cannot sustain itself with power for more than a random number of years, I'm not even going to try and guess due to the Origins consideration. Cortana might find a way to use some robots that might exsist on the ship, or some computers on it that can change metals into other elements to sustain the ships' power. Very doubtful that she can do that, though she's Cortana; a fanboy would use that as an excuse.

More with the cryo technology itself. It can sustain Chief for a very long time, yes, but without power to back that up, and the pod's power itself, he will sucumb to frostbite or along those lines and die. His suits' power as well, wouldn't work after that even if he is rescued. The more knowledgeable fans of Halo know that Linda was in cryostasis while technically dead for a few months on end without medical treatment. We at least know that a cryotube can keep a person 'alright' for that amount of time, but my theory is that it will eventually fizzle out and the person inside will die off. Nothing lasts forever.

Location. We've no idea where he's at. He could be in our spatial back yard for all we know. The planet at the end of Halo 3 is there, yes, but if the ship gets pulled towards it, he would crash land and die. The bridge was on the front half of the ship, we know this due to the Arbiter going to the navigation station on it and piloting the Dawn away from the Ark. This means that the navigation controls are gone, making it so that Cortana cannot steer the ship to safety, or land it to safety. The only possible way to survive that crash is to land in water, even if then, or help from a foreign source.

And finally, the Origins episodes. According to the beginning of that, the ship is nowhere near where it was before. It didn't crash land, it didn't receive help or anything like that. If it crashed, it wouldn't be there. If it received help, and the Chief and Cortana go through another 'full game' so to speak, why would they go back to the Dawn to escape the things that helped them?

I have also heard with the trailer that it begins immediately where Halo 3 left off : Cortana waking Chief up when they near the planet. Cortana would only know of the planets' existence with scanning technology, which was on the bridge, which isn't there. If she somehow did have the ability to scan that far out, and detect threats, she would then wake the Chief up immediately after he was frozen, a process which would take an amount of time. That time would then be wasted due to them crash landing and dying.

I've also thought up some ways as to how to continue his story.

As explained before, some foreign force could come and rescue him. If we look at the planet at the end of Halo 3, this source would most likely be old Forerunner technology; it thinking that the ship is a meteor and it 'collects' the chunk of metal to prevent damage. It would then search it and find Chief, realize he's a Reclaimer, and wake him up. He would then go through another game, and be 'rescued' or 'saved'; however the game ends. If not, and his saviors turn on him, why again would he go back to the old, busted up Forward Unto Dawn?

The second way of how to continue the story is that they bypass the planet completely, but still come into contact with some Forerunner installation, again being saved, turned on, and escaping, most likely.

The final, third way, is a new alien race.

*sighs* To me, overall, Halo 4 just ruins it somewhat. I'll most likely be irritated so much by my friends to watch it that I'll eventually end up saying "-blam!- you, fine! I'll watch it!" then end up loving it and hating myself for that for both reasons.

To the fanboys out there: Yes, I know that it's just a game and I should enjoy it. Yes, I know it's more Halo and I should love it, but I just don't.

I'd like some grammatical feedback on this, guys and gals. Tell me your thoughts.

~*~EDIT~*~

Like I stated in the previous topic, I still love how people are voting and giving me next to nothing at explaining their vote.

I will say that your explanation is good and well thought out. There are some holes I think they're big enough to consider it unwise to fully believe that this game is "impossible".

For you explanation about the power source, the chief and cortana were stuck on the back halve of the Forward Unto Dawn which, correct me if I'm wrong, should contain the nuclear fusion reactors that power the ship. Assuming the reactors are fully functional, Cortana could cut the engines and use the remaining fuel to only keep the cryotube and herself up and running. I don't know how much energy Cortana and the cryotube take up, I think it's enough to keep them going for a VERY long time.


I think everything after that were based on a LOT of assumptions like Cortana not being able to steer (they still have thrusters that Cortana might be able to use. It'd be very rudimentary but it could still work) and as for the actual storyline...343i could do ANYTHING they want with it so they could make it work. Whether it's good or not is up to you but I think it's possible that someone will be satisfied.

Again, very good explanation, and if I had wrong information, feel free to correct me in a polite manner please. Hope this helps. :)

  • 06.21.2011 7:28 PM PDT

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Also, maybe the stuff the UNSC has is set to last.

I mean, we could make our stuff last a long time but...

  • 06.21.2011 7:31 PM PDT

I haz clan and I can battle if u want. I also haz 1 more spot in my clan if you want 2 join. the service tag is TPSC and the emblem is a circle with a vortex.

I completely agree! If the covenant have been defeated, and the flood is "gone" then how can they continue the series! I dont think this is a good idea at all!

  • 06.21.2011 7:44 PM PDT

I think you have a very good explanation. Well, one thing in it annoys me. Cortana would know that they were coming to land on a planet by looking out the window. She would wake Master Chief, who could wake fast enough to guarantee their survival. Cortana's already metastable - there's no guarantee that it has to take thousands of years to end the rampancy period. Clearly, Chief and Cortana arrive to this mysterious planet fast enough that they don't run out of power, if they ever would.

You have a good explanation. The thing is, it doesn't prove that a Halo 4 is impossible - it just illustrates that it would be difficult. ALL stories are difficult to write. But think of the times in stories you've read when the original plot wound its course (or appeared to), then reappeared with a vengeance. Sometimes it was cheesy, but sometimes it worked. Moving a story forward after an apparent resolution is difficult, but is done VERY OFTEN with titles like Halo that are written episodically (in parts).
Posted by: SoulKiller386
I completely agree! If the covenant have been defeated, and the flood is "gone" then how can they continue the series! I dont think this is a good idea at all!


We know FOR SURE that they can continue the series, because they have already announced the game. They've got a plot written and casted at this point. Whether or not they do continue the game well and interestingly is the question we should be asking, especially in this forum. Will they reprise the Flood, Covenant Loyalists, or make a new alien race to fight?

THE COVENANT:
I don't believe that the end of H3 gave you the indication that the Covenant were completely FINISHED. I think it just showed that they just weren't dangerous anymore, being only Grunts and Brutes. I mean, at what point in H3 did you actually DESTROY the Covenant? Nowhere. And it's clear to me that as long as the Grunts and Brutes exist, they will support the Hierarchs, who were not at any point deposed in H3. Yes, the Covenant are headless, but a reappearance in Campaign wouldn't stretch it.

THE FLOOD:
As for the Flood, a reappearance would also be canon, but it would be extremely cheesy and lacks creativity. It would be BORING, because we would all see it coming. Yet again we would fight to contain the infection within a shield world/Halo, and yet again we would blow it up and leave.

ANOTHER ALIEN RACE:
As for another race... No predictions. There are areas of Halo canon (Forerunners, Precursors, Engineers) that haven't been explored much in the main trilogy. For the third option, we can only wait and see. Trust in 343i's ability to write a good plot as they are made up of many ex-Bungie employees.

[Edited on 06.21.2011 10:30 PM PDT]

  • 06.21.2011 10:28 PM PDT

Taylor Gang! 420

Has anybody even heard that Halo 4 is the start of a whole new trilogy not the continuation of a saga?

  • 06.21.2011 11:13 PM PDT

Epic Pic

Sup everyone, I'm Josh~ I'm co-founder of Epic Pic, which used to be one of the largest and most successful screenshot group on Bungie.net.

I'll remain neutral. Honestly I'm really into the canon of Halo, it has to be one of the most interesting series with an amazing background unlike any of video game ever created.

I must say that yes, you've found some things out that do raise an eyebrow, but I'm sure that there has to be a power source, or else cortana wouldn't have been able to be on the hologram projector waking chief up.

The sudden waking up out of cryo sleep does have affects, but not death. In the books suddenly waking them up made them sick and thats about it.

Halo is an amazing series, and sure that 343 will do a great job on the series continuation/new Halo related series :) Don't get your hopes down bud.

(Btw, there was the teaser at the end of Halo 3 FOR this game, so really it was obvious we'd know what would happen to Chief)

~EDIT~
Rage. NO. The flood is NOT gone. On the level cortana, the grave mind says you've SLOWN down his plan, but not halted. There is more than one gravemind you know.

[Edited on 06.21.2011 11:38 PM PDT]

  • 06.21.2011 11:37 PM PDT

Anti-Teabag self-destruct mechanisms ftw

I'm going to poke holes in this as objectively as possible. The power that cortana needs isn't relevant. The chiefs armor can power itself for 12 years after the events of H3.

The controls of the ship missing isn't relevent either. Any hardware left on the back end of Cortana can use. She IS the navigational equipment and any other computer system that they need.

Even if she is going rampant, she could reach meta-stability or whatever it is called. I know that one of the Legends episodes showed her after the chief went into cryo. She was definitely going nuts at that point but by the time Halo 4 comes around there is no telling if she had time to come to terms with it.

Judging by the fact that her appearance is kind of a minimalist crappy looking thing now, she is acting rational and minimalizing her thinking, processing and power usage.

I might have missed a few things but by no means is the game impossible. I do have to questions Wud duh EFF is the giant open maw of a planet that the ship is drifting into during the trailer.

If I missed something just tell me and I'll try to fix it or poke a new hole in whatever argument there is :)

  • 06.21.2011 11:59 PM PDT

Epic Pic

Sup everyone, I'm Josh~ I'm co-founder of Epic Pic, which used to be one of the largest and most successful screenshot group on Bungie.net.

Actually everyone. The ship doesn't look like its going to crash, it looks like its being PULLED into the planet.

:P Just saying

  • 06.22.2011 12:00 AM PDT
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We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: no name12222235
I'm going to poke holes in this as objectively as possible. The power that cortana needs isn't relevant. The chiefs armor can power itself for 12 years after the events of H3.

The controls of the ship missing isn't relevent either. Any hardware left on the back end of Cortana can use. She IS the navigational equipment and any other computer system that they need.

Even if she is going rampant, she could reach meta-stability or whatever it is called. I know that one of the Legends episodes showed her after the chief went into cryo. She was definitely going nuts at that point but by the time Halo 4 comes around there is no telling if she had time to come to terms with it.

Judging by the fact that her appearance is kind of a minimalist crappy looking thing now, she is acting rational and minimalizing her thinking, processing and power usage.

I might have missed a few things but by no means is the game impossible. I do have to questions Wud duh EFF is the giant open maw of a planet that the ship is drifting into during the trailer.

If I missed something just tell me and I'll try to fix it or poke a new hole in whatever argument there is :)


1.johns armor isn't using power since he is in cryo, the reason he went in is just for the reason and not to waste air.

2.how did origins "show her going nuts"? she spoke fine,acted normal, when does a few flicks on a ship that is obviously going to have power flux's equate to rampancy? it doesn't.

  • 06.22.2011 12:13 AM PDT

there is things to continue on like what about Kelly, Linda, Fred,and doctor Halsey have you seen the trailer i am pretty sure the planet they are drifting towards is onyx so it could be a reunion of the Spartans and the game could be about chief finding them and returning to earth, or maybe he and the gang find a Forerunner
or they uncover a secret to finding the Precursors and being able to travel to other galaxies or a powerful force comes into the galaxy to save the humans and elites from a grave danger
don't be stupid think of the possibilities

  • 06.22.2011 12:15 AM PDT

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[Edited on 06.22.2011 12:17 AM PDT]

  • 06.22.2011 12:17 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: zdog058
there is things to continue on like what about Kelly, Linda, Fred,and doctor Halsey have you seen the trailer i am pretty sure the planet they are drifting towards is onyx


I am pretty sure if you finished reading the book you would know that onyx was destroyed. seriously, did all of you just stop reading after they went into the dyson sphere? this was clearly said in the book yet you people don't seen to acknowledge that.

And mendicant bias said he was send him to the forerunners, not the spartans, not anything else.

  • 06.22.2011 12:17 AM PDT

i wonder about these things about HALO 4:

enemies (could be the FORERUNNERS or their SENTRIES)
weapons
master chief
covenants
UNSC
ending
assasinations
dual wield

  • 06.22.2011 12:19 AM PDT

exuse me in the end of the book halsey notices that they are in a slipspace pod so how do you know that John is not drifting towards an opening to their pod

and i that last thing you wrote didn't make sense can you please clarify that i'm not trying to be rude

  • 06.22.2011 12:28 AM PDT

and if you feel this is still impossible following my post
please understand i am trying to be as hopeful as possible as you can tell from my handle Linda is my favorite spartan
so please don't treat me like an idiot i have read all of the books repeatedly and thoroughly.
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: zdog058
there is things to continue on like what about Kelly, Linda, Fred,and doctor Halsey have you seen the trailer i am pretty sure the planet they are drifting towards is onyx


I am pretty sure if you finished reading the book you would know that onyx was destroyed. seriously, did all of you just stop reading after they went into the dyson sphere? this was clearly said in the book yet you people don't seen to acknowledge that.

And mendicant bias said he was send him to the forerunners, not the spartans, not anything else.

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  • 06.22.2011 12:48 AM PDT


Posted by: zdog058
exuse me in the end of the book halsey notices that they are in a slipspace pod so how do you know that John is not drifting towards an opening to their pod

and i that last thing you wrote didn't make sense can you please clarify that i'm not trying to be rude


Halsey and the spartans entered the dyson sphere using the slipspace pods. The dyson sphere is in what Halsey describes as a slipspace bubble and soon after, Onyx "disentigrated" into the trillions of sentinels that made it up.

Chief and Cortana cannot be near Halsey and the spartans because Chief and Cortana are in "real space" while Halsey is in slipspace. I don't see how the object "pulling in" the Forward unto Dawn could be a portal into the slipspace pods since the pods are basically cryotubes that can enter slipspace.

[Edited on 06.22.2011 10:09 AM PDT]

  • 06.22.2011 10:07 AM PDT

Adepto In Meus Campester
Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

Posted by: Etsor
According to the Origins episodes of Halo Legends
Lol.
Theory disproved itself right there.


EDIT: And for the love of god people, don't quote the entire OP when you make your response.

[Edited on 06.22.2011 10:32 AM PDT]

  • 06.22.2011 10:24 AM PDT

"Simplify, Simplify."

-Henry David Thoreau

Halo 4 could be fantastic. The only real worry I have his how do you compare to Marty's composition? 343 does not have anyone nearly as talented.

Plus, who could possibly be the enemies this time? So many questions.

  • 06.22.2011 12:17 PM PDT

Anti-Teabag self-destruct mechanisms ftw


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: no name12222235
I'm going to poke holes in this as objectively as possible. The power that cortana needs isn't relevant. The chiefs armor can power itself for 12 years after the events of H3.

The controls of the ship missing isn't relevent either. Any hardware left on the back end of Cortana can use. She IS the navigational equipment and any other computer system that they need.

Even if she is going rampant, she could reach meta-stability or whatever it is called. I know that one of the Legends episodes showed her after the chief went into cryo. She was definitely going nuts at that point but by the time Halo 4 comes around there is no telling if she had time to come to terms with it.

Judging by the fact that her appearance is kind of a minimalist crappy looking thing now, she is acting rational and minimalizing her thinking, processing and power usage.

I might have missed a few things but by no means is the game impossible. I do have to questions Wud duh EFF is the giant open maw of a planet that the ship is drifting into during the trailer.

If I missed something just tell me and I'll try to fix it or poke a new hole in whatever argument there is :)


1.johns armor isn't using power since he is in cryo, the reason he went in is just for the reason and not to waste air.

2.how did origins "show her going nuts"? she spoke fine,acted normal, when does a few flicks on a ship that is obviously going to have power flux's equate to rampancy? it doesn't.



You can't say that the armor is offline. We have no knowledge of if the armor shuts off while he is in cryo, we only know that he stops breathing and essentially living. That doesn't mean that Cortana couldn't still activate his suit and draw power off of it for whatever reason. Who knows how much power that thing can output with the shields turned off.

Cortana going nuts was in referral to her going rampant and slowly breaking. If you read the books, I'm not saying you havn't, several excerpts that she was the focus of described how a ton of the data she has accumulated is corrupt and since an AI is only data that means that she is corrupted.

I don't know what has happened to her since then, she could have organized the data and be fine now but there is no telling. Perhaps she may end up an antagonist in the 4th game.

  • 06.22.2011 12:28 PM PDT

Oh yeah It's Rayzed.

343 has been really unimpressive thus far with their 'contributions' to Halo canon. I just feel like they're trying to take Halo in a different overly cinematic direction. One of my favorite parts of the series is that while it is set 500 years in the future, the technology isn't crazy. The Universe is extremely realistic, despite it being sci-fi. The Spartans are detailed realistically in the books as Soldiers with intense dedication and above average skill and intelligence (Plus modifications that make it all possible). This direction seems to have changed with 343 trying to make Spartans seem unrealistic as military figures and more like super heroes.

  • 06.22.2011 12:33 PM PDT


Posted by: noble6sfriend
wtf...

you're overthinking this way too much, just watch the trailer and get over yourself

If he watches it, he would have more questions cuz of the jet pack and magnum/gernade launcher.

  • 06.22.2011 12:34 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: no name12222235
I'm going to poke holes in this as objectively as possible. The power that cortana needs isn't relevant. The chiefs armor can power itself for 12 years after the events of H3.

The controls of the ship missing isn't relevent either. Any hardware left on the back end of Cortana can use. She IS the navigational equipment and any other computer system that they need.

Even if she is going rampant, she could reach meta-stability or whatever it is called. I know that one of the Legends episodes showed her after the chief went into cryo. She was definitely going nuts at that point but by the time Halo 4 comes around there is no telling if she had time to come to terms with it.

Judging by the fact that her appearance is kind of a minimalist crappy looking thing now, she is acting rational and minimalizing her thinking, processing and power usage.

I might have missed a few things but by no means is the game impossible. I do have to questions Wud duh EFF is the giant open maw of a planet that the ship is drifting into during the trailer.

If I missed something just tell me and I'll try to fix it or poke a new hole in whatever argument there is :)


1.johns armor isn't using power since he is in cryo, the reason he went in is just for the reason and not to waste air.

2.how did origins "show her going nuts"? she spoke fine,acted normal, when does a few flicks on a ship that is obviously going to have power flux's equate to rampancy? it doesn't.


maybe because the color of her eyes changed, and sum wierd fuzzle happened. Though, I think it is completly normal. In "the flood" parts of the book described how her color and eyes changed, because of the information she gianed. ( Correct me if i'm wrong. I can't remember every single detail.)

  • 06.22.2011 12:39 PM PDT

Bacon for all !!!!!!!!!!!111111111111

tl;dr

  • 06.22.2011 12:43 PM PDT

why did you waste time writing this when you, me, and the rest of the people in this thread know Halo 4 is happening and every argument you put forward is incorrect.

  • 06.22.2011 12:51 PM PDT

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