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Subject: Halo 4 : Impossible


Posted by: Raylette
343 has been really unimpressive thus far with their 'contributions' to Halo canon. I just feel like they're trying to take Halo in a different overly cinematic direction. One of my favorite parts of the series is that while it is set 500 years in the future, the technology isn't crazy. The Universe is extremely realistic, despite it being sci-fi. The Spartans are detailed realistically in the books as Soldiers with intense dedication and above average skill and intelligence (Plus modifications that make it all possible). This direction seems to have changed with 343 trying to make Spartans seem unrealistic as military figures and more like super heroes.


I disagree, I have not noticed any difference in 343i's material and Bungie's, fundamentally it is exactly the same. The only thing that has really changed is the name attached to the materials being put out.

I'm not sure what you're talking about, the Spartans have always been portrayed a bit like super heroes, the Spartans seem just the same to me as they have in all the media Bungie released before leaving the franchise. What specific works or instances are you talking about where you feel the portrayal of Spartans has changed?

  • 06.23.2011 4:54 PM PDT
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We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: Raylette
343 has been really unimpressive thus far with their 'contributions' to Halo canon. I just feel like they're trying to take Halo in a different overly cinematic direction. One of my favorite parts of the series is that while it is set 500 years in the future, the technology isn't crazy. The Universe is extremely realistic, despite it being sci-fi. The Spartans are detailed realistically in the books as Soldiers with intense dedication and above average skill and intelligence (Plus modifications that make it all possible). This direction seems to have changed with 343 trying to make Spartans seem unrealistic as military figures and more like super heroes.


What specific works or instances are you talking about where you feel the portrayal of Spartans has changed?


probably where soloman rushes in legends

  • 06.23.2011 4:56 PM PDT

"I'm afraid of the man I'll become if I lay my life down for the people I don't even care for"

While I understand that Halo 4 would be rather absurd, lets take some things into account.

1. Origins I and II shouldn't be taken as a serious source as it was intentionally told from the view of the going rampant/ rampant Cortana. We don't know if the story she is telling is %100 correct. (Frankie also confirmed that in the commentary)

2. We don't know whats out there in the Haloverse. Maybe there's a whole suite of different species. Are we even near Earth's colonies. Are we even in the Milky Way?

I respect this theory but I'm just gonna say keep your mind open. :)

  • 06.23.2011 5:30 PM PDT

"I'm afraid of the man I'll become if I lay my life down for the people I don't even care for"


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Posted by: Raylette
343 has been really unimpressive thus far with their 'contributions' to Halo canon. I just feel like they're trying to take Halo in a different overly cinematic direction. One of my favorite parts of the series is that while it is set 500 years in the future, the technology isn't crazy. The Universe is extremely realistic, despite it being sci-fi. The Spartans are detailed realistically in the books as Soldiers with intense dedication and above average skill and intelligence (Plus modifications that make it all possible). This direction seems to have changed with 343 trying to make Spartans seem unrealistic as military figures and more like super heroes.


I disagree, I have not noticed any difference in 343i's material and Bungie's, fundamentally it is exactly the same. The only thing that has really changed is the name attached to the materials being put out.

I'm not sure what you're talking about, the Spartans have always been portrayed a bit like super heroes, the Spartans seem just the same to me as they have in all the media Bungie released before leaving the franchise. What specific works or instances are you talking about where you feel the portrayal of Spartans has changed?


I agree how they have a now unrealistic/changed portrayal. Especially in the Package. They're killing a bunch of covenant sprinting and doing backflips down a hallway with SMGs and Spartan Lasers.

That scene just doesn't seem very Halo to me. I imagine Halo as the boots in the mud Sci-fi. More military, less superhero I guess?? Maybe thats me

  • 06.23.2011 5:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sp4rt4n119
Thank you sir, that was an epic rendition of this topic.


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and how!

Go watch the trailer before you decide to go crazy with your imagination.

Halo 4 quite obviously takes place AFTER Origins, because like you said it would be pointless to go back to the Dawn. The planet is obviously forerunner, and if you would watch the trailer you would see that the planet is indeed pulling the Dawn in with some kind of tractor beam.

Another thing is that Cortana may not necessarily be going rampant. She's definitely damaged from what happened with the Gravemind, but she's still working as we can all plainly see. And even if she does go rampant, there will be a wealth of forerunner technology available on this strange planet, perhaps she can transfer herself into forerunner storage and live longer, but even if she can't, Halo's protagonist is John; Cortana is only a supporting character.

And your final hole I must plug has to do with Cryo. Linda's pod had been floating in space, with no ship attached to it. We don't know exactly how they work, but I don't think it has a very large battery built into the pod, more likely into the device the pod plugs into. So how did she stay frozen? SPACE. Space is very, very cold. Once you're frozen in space, you're going to stay frozen until you either are brought into an atmosphere or pulled into a star. And as seen in the trailer, the pod is still able to work well enough to bring John out of stasis, so it isn't a problem.

  • 06.23.2011 5:41 PM PDT

I already asked you to stop being annoying, neglecting to comply will prove to be rather...annoying. Do you see a trend here?

Born Jan / 7 / 1994
If you had a 5th grade education you'd know that means I'm not too young to play M rated games.

Your theories on the power are mostly misled*(if that word is spelled incorrectly, spellcheck didn't catch it)

Both the ship and Chief's suit are powered by fusion reactors. That sort of powersorce is theorized to last thousands of years.

As for saying he will not survive a crash landing, have you learned nothing from Halo CE and 3? Chief is indestructable when it comes to falling from orbit.

  • 06.23.2011 5:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sp4rt4n119
Thank you sir, that was an epic rendition of this topic.


Posted by: Xx KNOX xX
and how!


Posted by: monster eeve
Your theories on the power are mostly misled*(if that word is spelled incorrectly, spellcheck didn't catch it)

Both the ship and Chief's suit are powered by fusion reactors. That sort of powersorce is theorized to last thousands of years.

As for saying he will not survive a crash landing, have you learned nothing from Halo CE and 3? Chief is indestructable when it comes to falling from orbit.


He speaks the truth. The reason the Mark V reactor burned out was because Cortana used its power to teleport them all the way across Alpha Halo...a distance of 6,200 miles. Source

  • 06.23.2011 6:00 PM PDT

That's a good argument, but the ship is pretty big and futuristic. There could be any number of power/maintenance systems.

  • 06.23.2011 6:15 PM PDT


Posted by: ZedFish
Posted by: MGunnzThink of it like Star Wars. It has two trilogies... the good one, and the bad one.

Hopefully Halo's setup will be good/good, though... one thing I'm worried about is Halo going down the Star Wars path and being absolutely milked into oblivion.


Both Were Superb...just because you cant get over that preQuels were fun to watch and plain entertaining does not give YOU the right o call them bad...if it was not for the Pre-Quels..Star Wars Canon and Additional works such as amazing List of Books..one of the Greatest Shooters 'Republic Commando" would not exist... So shut it..

  • 06.23.2011 6:20 PM PDT

Posted by: Spartan 100
Looks like something is pulling it in
That technology is also in halo wars... kind of.

Halo is more than just a game.


That's also not the same planet from the end of Halo 3. In that sense it looks like something is pulling it in, but it still doesn't make sense at why the ship is exploding.


the ship exploding...hmmm lets see...since the entire ship has been laid open, theres not anything causing combustible materials to rush out into the open vacuum seeing as in the pressure has been equalized, then you add the friction of metal debris rubbing against other metal debris causing a spark, which could ignite any remaing combustibles...

or maybe it could be a sign of some sort of atmosphere...who knows

  • 06.23.2011 7:08 PM PDT

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i havn't read through the thread, but i'd like to point out the possibility of chiefs reactor powering the cryo pod, we've never had a detailed look into one of them and it's very possible they may share a link...

another thing, a fusion core reactor like that in MJOLNIR armor, and a ships reactor will stay powered for decades assuming it's cooling systems are intact, or short of that, is only used in short bursts during an emergency. we know from halo canon that UNSC crafts are able to be piloted at least to some degree outside of the main control bridge IE: the spartan's pelican dropship in Halo: First Strike. and we did see that cortana activated the engines of the ship in halo 3, so it's possible she can fire the engines in controlled bursts to control it's decent to some degree.

lastly, that planet at the end of halo 3 is obviously the planet seen in the trailer of halo 4, the ship was far too close to escape it's gravity well, not to mention that the ship is on the outreaches of the galaxy where no life is likely to exist, meaning that it's a shield world installation.

  • 06.23.2011 7:24 PM PDT


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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Raylette
343 has been really unimpressive thus far with their 'contributions' to Halo canon. I just feel like they're trying to take Halo in a different overly cinematic direction. One of my favorite parts of the series is that while it is set 500 years in the future, the technology isn't crazy. The Universe is extremely realistic, despite it being sci-fi. The Spartans are detailed realistically in the books as Soldiers with intense dedication and above average skill and intelligence (Plus modifications that make it all possible). This direction seems to have changed with 343 trying to make Spartans seem unrealistic as military figures and more like super heroes.


I disagree, I have not noticed any difference in 343i's material and Bungie's, fundamentally it is exactly the same. The only thing that has really changed is the name attached to the materials being put out.

I'm not sure what you're talking about, the Spartans have always been portrayed a bit like super heroes, the Spartans seem just the same to me as they have in all the media Bungie released before leaving the franchise. What specific works or instances are you talking about where you feel the portrayal of Spartans has changed?


I agree how they have a now unrealistic/changed portrayal. Especially in the Package. They're killing a bunch of covenant sprinting and doing backflips down a hallway with SMGs and Spartan Lasers.

That scene just doesn't seem very Halo to me. I imagine Halo as the boots in the mud Sci-fi. More military, less superhero I guess?? Maybe thats me


Heh, the Package was actually just how I pictured Spartan action being, same with the Halo Wars cutscene Monsters (where the Spartans are engaging the Elites on that bridge and Forge kills Ripa Moramee). There's a reason why they all have insane numbers for their Covenant kill counts. They are superhuman after all :)

Oh well, different strokes for different folks as the saying goes I guess. I don't really see any difference in portrayal other than showing Spartans performing in a way a lot of the fans (I think so anyway, I could be very wrong) always pictured the Spartans performing.

  • 06.23.2011 7:35 PM PDT

Though the morrow may be barren of promises, nothing shall forstall my return.

First off, you should go watch the trailer at least once. And secondly, don't forget that Cortana isn't a normal AI by any measure, she is a one of a kind AI. And third, we have no idea how long or where the ship went, so it might not have actually been that long.

  • 06.23.2011 8:12 PM PDT

They're just milking the franchise, there is no good reason for Halo 4.

  • 06.24.2011 1:26 AM PDT

There are some good reasons there but on the rampancy theory cortana could have passed rampancy somehow and entered the last state ( Meta stability or something like that. ) Also John's armour would contain a fussioin power pack that could power his suit and possibly the cryo pod for many years at least 10 years. Personally I'm just wait for the Ghosts of onyx sequel tht should explain some of the things after the war and possibly some about whats happened to John.

  • 06.24.2011 1:19 PM PDT

Nobody really knows how long the chief has been in space, cortana must have some way to know that TEHYRE GOING TO CRASH, cortana went crazy, but not lets kill everything crazy and lastly cryo could take up very little power. Make the inside cold and keep it cold, so super insulants or some -blam!- are used. Also chief's suit powers down.

Problem?

  • 06.24.2011 7:41 PM PDT

I blame myself, not Stosh.

It's a videogame. thread/

  • 06.24.2011 8:02 PM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
They're just milking the franchise, there is no good reason for Halo 4.


Sorry, but I completely disagree. There are still stories that need to be told and mysteries that need to be solved, especially with new info we've received with Cryptum and in several of the short stories in Evolutions and in other media outlets as well.

  • 06.24.2011 9:48 PM PDT

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
They're just milking the franchise, there is no good reason for Halo 4.


Sorry, but I completely disagree. There are still stories that need to be told and mysteries that need to be solved, especially with new info we've received with Cryptum and in several of the short stories in Evolutions and in other media outlets as well.


Well considering the fact Halo has suffered from mega-franchising, it was all planned from the beginning. I don't see anything relatively new or exciting coming from "another" three games playing as Master Chief. Don't expect any big plot twists.

[Edited on 06.28.2011 7:06 PM PDT]

  • 06.28.2011 7:06 PM PDT

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