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saku'rjuice

What do u think if in future,they would connect the story of Marathon to Halo's?

  • 06.17.2011 9:40 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

No

Marathon is Bungies franchise,hell they even removed the Marathon symbol from the Halo verse.

  • 06.17.2011 9:41 AM PDT

Im txgrim4 (Grim, Grimmy, Grimsta), i have been playing xboxlive for 9 years, evr since day 1 of Halo:CE til now. I love H2, that and Halo 1 are my favs. Im a Halologist when it comes to the Bungie/Halo Universe. Ive also played Marathon Series, ONI, and Myth Series. I live in Texas, Play Football, and cant wait for Halo 4!

Your kidding me right, THEY ALREADY ARE CONNECTED

  • 06.17.2011 9:42 AM PDT

saku'rjuice


Posted by: txgrim4z
Your kidding me right, THEY ALREADY ARE CONNECTED

no they are not..only for the simble...I know that is not any more microsoft competence cause bungie is not more microsoft...but i'm telling they coul'd do a remake...conneting the history more deeply with halo's one ...one day

  • 06.17.2011 9:47 AM PDT

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Posted by: txgrim4z
Your kidding me right, THEY ALREADY ARE CONNECTED


No they aren't. Easter eggs referring to Marathon are just that. Easter eggs. Nothing more, nothing less. The universes are not connected.

  • 06.17.2011 9:49 AM PDT

saku'rjuice


Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: txgrim4z
Your kidding me right, THEY ALREADY ARE CONNECTED


No they aren't. Easter eggs referring to Marathon are just that. Easter eggs. Nothing more, nothing less. The universes are not connected.

=) your right sir!.... I wanted to speak about it because u know precursors were umans right? they were the acestors of our species?

  • 06.17.2011 9:55 AM PDT

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Posted by: Sardonic13
I'm slightly amused and at the same time saddened that so few people are interested in looking for an answer to the question of why Marathon and Halo can't be the same universe beyond "because Bungie said so". Particularly because there are precise contradictions which clearly illustrate that both stories cannot simultaneously coexist in one universe. The two most common and most damning contradictions are found in technologies unique to each universe.

Faster Than Light Travel
The first contradiction involves the technology of faster than light (FTL) travel. Everyone knows that in Halo, FTL travel is possible by using Slipspace. According to the Halo timeline, the Shaw-Fujikawa Translight Engine was created in 2291. By 2310 FTL travel was being used to start colonies. By 2390, colonization of the Inner Colonies was fully underway. By 2468, Outer Colonies were being settled. By 2490, the colonization boom was well underway and human space encompassed more than 800 worlds.

A quick study of Marathon's timeline will reveal a very different story. The conversion of Mars' moon Deimos into the Colony Ship Marathon began in 2408. It was completed 64 years later in 2472. It took the Marathon 300 years to travel from Sol to Tau Ceti (a distance of 12 light years). Obviously the Marathon was not equipped with FTL travel capability.

It is unconscionable that a colony ship would be built without FTL travel capability 117 years after the discovery of the FTL travel engine and during the golden age of FTL travel driven space exploration and colonization. Therefore it is not possible that the Halo and Marathon stories exist in the same universe.

Teleportation Technology
According to the Marathon timeline, teleporters began to be used in Sol as early as 2319. The Marathon, which was constructed from 2408 - 2472 was equipped with teleportation technology.

In the Halo universe teleportation technology was still unknown to humanity in 2552, 233 years after it was being used in Sol in the Marathon universe.

FTL travel and teleportation technologies are both unique to their respective universes and of primary importance in the telling of each story. These technological contradictions are irreconcilable, and therefore prove that the Marathon and Halo universes cannot be one in the same.


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  • 06.17.2011 10:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: txgrim4z
Your kidding me right, THEY ALREADY ARE CONNECTED


No they aren't. Easter eggs referring to Marathon are just that. Easter eggs. Nothing more, nothing less. The universes are not connected.

=) your right sir!.... I wanted to speak about it because u know precursors were umans right? they were the acestors of our species?


They're not going to be connected in the future either as you speculate OP.

Halo and Marathon are two separate IPs with two separate owners. The Activision deal along with Bungie intentionally leaving out Marathon easter eggs in Reach and 343i doing the same for Halo CEA suggests that Bungie does not want the Marathon and Halo IPs mix at all at this point not only in story but now with easter eggs as well.

  • 06.17.2011 10:05 AM PDT

saku'rjuice


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Sardonic13
I'm slightly amused and at the same time saddened that so few people are interested in looking for an answer to the question of why Marathon and Halo can't be the same universe beyond "because Bungie said so". Particularly because there are precise contradictions which clearly illustrate that both stories cannot simultaneously coexist in one universe. The two most common and most damning contradictions are found in technologies unique to each universe.

Faster Than Light Travel
The first contradiction involves the technology of faster than light (FTL) travel. Everyone knows that in Halo, FTL travel is possible by using Slipspace. According to the Halo timeline, the Shaw-Fujikawa Translight Engine was created in 2291. By 2310 FTL travel was being used to start colonies. By 2390, colonization of the Inner Colonies was fully underway. By 2468, Outer Colonies were being settled. By 2490, the colonization boom was well underway and human space encompassed more than 800 worlds.

A quick study of Marathon's timeline will reveal a very different story. The conversion of Mars' moon Deimos into the Colony Ship Marathon began in 2408. It was completed 64 years later in 2472. It took the Marathon 300 years to travel from Sol to Tau Ceti (a distance of 12 light years). Obviously the Marathon was not equipped with FTL travel capability.

It is unconscionable that a colony ship would be built without FTL travel capability 117 years after the discovery of the FTL travel engine and during the golden age of FTL travel driven space exploration and colonization. Therefore it is not possible that the Halo and Marathon stories exist in the same universe.

Teleportation Technology
According to the Marathon timeline, teleporters began to be used in Sol as early as 2319. The Marathon, which was constructed from 2408 - 2472 was equipped with teleportation technology.

In the Halo universe teleportation technology was still unknown to humanity in 2552, 233 years after it was being used in Sol in the Marathon universe.

FTL travel and teleportation technologies are both unique to their respective universes and of primary importance in the telling of each story. These technological contradictions are irreconcilable, and therefore prove that the Marathon and Halo universes cannot be one in the same.


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I know but I was saying that marathon could be the ancient story of precursors? they where uman now?... and the timeline here doesn't have really a meaning beacause olso we count 2011 but umans are here from more then 2011 years...and for mars umans still didn't know light speed when they colonized it...

  • 06.17.2011 10:21 AM PDT

saku'rjuice

how...puuu..I tought was a great idea..but nothing..and now maybe now more easter eee

  • 06.17.2011 10:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: xJOHNxJAGHERx
=) your right sir!.... I wanted to speak about it because u know precursors were umans right? they were the acestors of our species?
No... Precursors (well, a Precursor) and humans were alive at the same time. Not to mention that Precursors had six limbs and a tail growing out of their heads.

[Edited on 06.17.2011 1:56 PM PDT]

  • 06.17.2011 12:49 PM PDT

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Nice to know people are saving crusty old Sard the trouble of repeating himself.

  • 06.17.2011 1:18 PM PDT


Posted by: Atomsk A33
Nice to know people are saving crusty old Sard the trouble of repeating himself.


You know, deep down, he likes the chance to show off his twelve inch Marathon knowledge.

  • 06.17.2011 1:34 PM PDT

saku'rjuice


Posted by: reptile1892
Posted by: xJOHNxJAGHERx
=) your right sir!.... I wanted to speak about it because u know precursors were umans right? they were the acestors of our species?
No... Precursors (well, a Precursor) and humans were alive at the same time. Not to mention that Precursors had six limbs and a tail growing out of their heads.

precursors and forerunners aren't the same thingh? they seem synonymous

  • 06.18.2011 1:51 AM PDT

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Posted by: xJOHNxJAGHERx
Posted by: reptile1892
Posted by: xJOHNxJAGHERx
=) your right sir!.... I wanted to speak about it because u know precursors were umans right? they were the acestors of our species?
No... Precursors (well, a Precursor) and humans were alive at the same time. Not to mention that Precursors had six limbs and a tail growing out of their heads.

precursors and forerunners aren't the same thingh? they seem synonymous


The Precursors created the Forerunners and humanity.

  • 06.18.2011 2:06 AM PDT

Truth be told, I'm glad that there are no direct connections between the Marathon and Halo universes. Despite it's enigmatic complexity, Marathon's universe is consistent. Halo's universe is a quagmire of contradictions and inconsistencies. The Marathon Universe would only be cheapened by any direct connections to Halo's universe. Halo isn't even self-consistent, so I can't see how it could possibly be consistent with a completely different universe.

  • 06.18.2011 6:02 AM PDT

saku'rjuice

you have noticed that the 3 IA's of the third game of marathon are similar to cortana in aspect?

  • 06.18.2011 7:09 AM PDT


Posted by: xJOHNxJAGHERx
you have noticed that the 3 IA's of the third game of marathon are similar to cortana in aspect?
3 IA's? You mean the 3 AI's? There are actually some very distinct differences between AI's in Marathon and Cortana.

  • 06.20.2011 4:12 AM PDT

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Not going to smash his skull with a wall of text explaining the differences? Come on Sadron, you live for that -blam!-!

  • 06.21.2011 1:13 AM PDT

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It sort of already is, well, Keyes has a marathon badge...

  • 06.21.2011 2:34 AM PDT

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Posted by: Chewbacca171
It sort of already is, well, Keyes has a marathon badge...


Easter eggs have nothing to do with the canon of the universe...

  • 06.21.2011 2:37 AM PDT

saku'rjuice

ok was an useless topic

  • 06.21.2011 9:28 AM PDT

Plot wise they are really identical
Marathon man = master chief
Durandal = Cortana etc etc

But Plot wise they could be connected I suppose. I always thought when Chief was floating in space in the ship at the end of Halo 3's legendary ending that they were floating toward the Marathon planet ( a guy could only dream, right?) I really hope they make a remake for Infinity and Durandal, loved those games.

  • 06.21.2011 8:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: Chewbacca171
It sort of already is, well, Keyes has a marathon badge...

Easter eggs have nothing to do with the canon of the universe...

Plus Keyes no longer has the Marathon badge in Reach.

[Edited on 06.21.2011 8:25 PM PDT]

  • 06.21.2011 8:24 PM PDT

saku'rjuice


Posted by: Vengeance V2
Plot wise they are really identical
Marathon man = master chief
Durandal = Cortana etc etc

But Plot wise they could be connected I suppose. I always thought when Chief was floating in space in the ship at the end of Halo 3's legendary ending that they were floating toward the Marathon planet ( a guy could only dream, right?) I really hope they make a remake for Infinity and Durandal, loved those games.

Did you see guys? wasn't so useless..and this for me is an epic win..I too hope in a remake as a nice story

  • 06.24.2011 9:19 AM PDT

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