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Subject: My theory on the Precursors and the Flood.

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My theory has always been ( and with Cryptum it has no been reinforced) that the Precursors and the Flood are one and the same. They arrived to galaxy on ships of unknown origin as powder-like organisms. I belive the Precursors\Flood, after facing certain defeat or catastrophe, decided to reduce themselves to that state (perhaps after running out of food for an extensive amount of time). They, of coarse, expected someone to eventually come across them and again bring them back to life by some sort of contact with a host.
Now, the Forerunners hold the Precursors as the creators of all life. Maybe the Flood created life in order to feed off of it and maybe this is what disturbed the Scientists who made contact with the mysterious entity on Charum Hakkor when they asked it about the truth of the Flood.
I belive the entity on Charum Hakkor (which, like we know Gravemind did, spoke with Medicant Bias and conviced the AI to turn on it's masters) is infact Gravemind. It makes sense since it escaped on a Halo (which would explain why Gravemind is on a Halo) and since what he did to the AI is exactly what Gravemind is said to have done in the Terminals.
Tell me what you guys think. :) And make sure you've read Cryptum before you go on and rant about this.

  • 06.17.2011 7:49 PM PDT

Posted by: Commander GX
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Makes sense... but I doubt it.

  • 06.17.2011 7:59 PM PDT

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I really don't see how it could go anywhere else. If anyone has another theory please post it on here. :)

  • 06.17.2011 8:01 PM PDT

Posted by: Commander GX
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My theory: The Precursors created the Flood, and they got out of control, and they turned them into dust, where we eventually found them, and for some reason decided to sprinkle it on our "dogs".

[Edited on 06.17.2011 8:03 PM PDT]

  • 06.17.2011 8:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

*sigh*

Forerunners and humanity are not new to precursor ruins, therefore if the ships were precursor humanity would have known. But it was clearly stated that they were alien,ancient, and presumably came from the magnellic clouds.

I will also add that some ships were found on planets with the same powder.

  • 06.17.2011 8:03 PM PDT

"What they don't knw Can't hurt Them

Personally i think that the theory of the precursors and the flood as one and the same is flawed. Yea its a possibility but its highly unlikely. In the terminals in Halo 3, it is proven that Mendicant Bias was turned through 43 years of communicating with Gravemind. Not through a prison with the captive. The captive as said in Cryptum has been unconscious for 50,000 years or more.
My theory is somewat along the lines that the precursors created the flood and gravemind was somewhat like a living AI. this link really goes in detail, it may be a little outdated but its still a logical theory.

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=33340499


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  • 06.17.2011 8:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: jckinter06
Personally i think that the theory of the precursors and the flood as one and the same is flawed. Yea its a possibility but its highly unlikely. In the terminals in Halo 3, it is proven that Mendicant Bias was turned through 43 years of communicating with Gravemind. Not through a prison with the captive. The captive as said in Cryptum has been unconscious for 50,000 years or more.


MB was said to have gone "missing" for 40-50 years in cryptum *cough* *cough*

And they "woke" the prisoner up quite often

  • 06.17.2011 8:18 PM PDT

"What they don't knw Can't hurt Them

MB never went missing did he? Not untill he left with the ring.

  • 06.17.2011 8:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: jckinter06
MB never went missing did he? Not untill he left with the ring.


He did go missing, he stopped talking to the forerunners for decades

  • 06.17.2011 8:46 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: jckinter06
Personally i think that the theory of the precursors and the flood as one and the same is flawed. Yea its a possibility but its highly unlikely. In the terminals in Halo 3, it is proven that Mendicant Bias was turned through 43 years of communicating with Gravemind. Not through a prison with the captive. The captive as said in Cryptum has been unconscious for 50,000 years or more.


MB was said to have gone "missing" for 40-50 years in cryptum *cough* *cough*

And they "woke" the prisoner up quite often


^ what they are saying. It was an interesting theory no doubt, but surely impossible.

  • 06.17.2011 8:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: M94 Mushroom Man
My theory: The Precursors created the Flood, and they got out of control, and they turned them into dust, where we eventually found them, and for some reason decided to sprinkle it on our "dogs".


I agree with most of this

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua

Posted by: M94 Mushroom Man
My theory: The Precursors created the Flood, and they got out of control, and they turned them into dust, where we eventually found them, and for some reason decided to sprinkle it on our "dogs".


I agree with most of this


despite the major flaws or including?

  • 06.17.2011 9:00 PM PDT

"What they don't knw Can't hurt Them

MB took off with the ring and the captive and disappeared for a couple of decades, isn't that how it goes? or am i wrong?

  • 06.17.2011 9:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: jckinter06
Personally i think that the theory of the precursors and the flood as one and the same is flawed. Yea its a possibility but its highly unlikely. In the terminals in Halo 3, it is proven that Mendicant Bias was turned through 43 years of communicating with Gravemind. Not through a prison with the captive. The captive as said in Cryptum has been unconscious for 50,000 years or more.
My theory is somewat along the lines that the precursors created the flood and gravemind was somewhat like a living AI. this link really goes in detail, it may be a little outdated but its still a logical theory.

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=33340499


The entity escaped the prison...how else could he have gone onto the halo? And the Halo ring was missing for more than a couple of decades. I said make sure you read the book, remember?

  • 06.17.2011 10:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: jckinter06
MB took off with the ring and the captive and disappeared for a couple of decades, isn't that how it goes? or am i wrong?


That's technically what ended up happening. Read Cryptum though, it goes more into detail. Or look at the summary of it if you're not the type of person who is willing to sit through it. I know I had to devote like three after noons to just reading it in order to finish it quickly.

  • 06.17.2011 10:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua

Posted by: M94 Mushroom Man
My theory: The Precursors created the Flood, and they got out of control, and they turned them into dust, where we eventually found them, and for some reason decided to sprinkle it on our "dogs".


I agree with most of this


Yeah that seems likely. Though it's almost TOO simple. Not many things in Halo plots are simple.

  • 06.17.2011 10:13 PM PDT

"What they don't knw Can't hurt Them

yea already read the book, just needed to clarify with some of the events. Yea it is possible that the captive is gravemind, however i'm guessing that MB simply took away the captive as the captive will support the flood with overwhelming intellectual information. Kindof like gravemind and Keyes

  • 06.17.2011 10:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: jckinter06
yea already read the book, just needed to clarify with some of the events. Yea it is possible that the captive is gravemind, however i'm guessing that MB simply took away the captive as the captive will support the flood with overwhelming intellectual information. Kindof like gravemind and Keyes


Could be. Though I think that it's stated in the book that the Halo blast (a Halo was tested nearby) was what realeased the captive. I'd have to go back and check. I guess the entity could also just have wanted to side with the flood and that's why he turned MB against the Forerunners.

  • 06.17.2011 11:12 PM PDT

"What they don't knw Can't hurt Them

yea, can't wait for the sequel though. I just want to find out wat happened, i thought the book ended kind of badly, it had an alright storyline but it simply introduced everything no climax or anything.

  • 06.17.2011 11:18 PM PDT

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Yeah, its one of the few books that's made me take out a dictionary too many damn times. Vague sometimes and lacking action. Only thing I didn't really like was the fact that the *spoilers* diadict died.
Did you read evolutions?

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  • 06.17.2011 11:35 PM PDT

"What they don't knw Can't hurt Them

yea, evolutions is great. although i thought that the stories were pretty irrelevant and didn't really give insight into any main story lines except for the post cov-human war.

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Yes, it was the Halo test conducted by Mendicant Bias upon Charum Hakkor that released the seals upon the Timeless One, allowing him to escape.

While I'm reluctant to believe the theory myself, as it was stated in Cryptum (albeit in the perspective of Didact's memories within Bornstellar) that the Timeless One predated the Flood by, if I'm not mistaken, hundreds of thousands of years. At the very least, that means that the Timeless One, if his species is one and the same as The Flood, encountered the Forerunner unaided, on his own. That seems pretty suspect given what we know about the modern tendencies of the Flood.

I'd really enjoy it if the Timeless One was a Precursor, only if the Precursors are a separate species from The Flood..

[Edited on 06.18.2011 1:34 AM PDT]

  • 06.18.2011 1:21 AM PDT

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Makes reasonable sense.

However, since the Precursors carried the Mantle belief before the Forerunners, I doubt that they would have turned themselves into cruel parasites like the Flood.

  • 06.18.2011 1:24 AM PDT

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Posted by: n3rdygam3r
Makes reasonable sense.

However, since the Precursors carried the Mantle belief before the Forerunners, I doubt that they would have turned themselves into cruel parasites like the Flood.


Maybe the Precursors/Flood only held belief in the "Mantle" so they could guard their food source. The Mantle was a Forerunner belief system in which the Forerunners upheld they were required to protect and promote life. The Flood would have wanted life to be protected so they could have a steady food source.

  • 06.18.2011 8:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dream053
Yes, it was the Halo test conducted by Mendicant Bias upon Charum Hakkor that released the seals upon the Timeless One, allowing him to escape.

While I'm reluctant to believe the theory myself, as it was stated in Cryptum (albeit in the perspective of Didact's memories within Bornstellar) that the Timeless One predated the Flood by, if I'm not mistaken, hundreds of thousands of years. At the very least, that means that the Timeless One, if his species is one and the same as The Flood, encountered the Forerunner unaided, on his own. That seems pretty suspect given what we know about the modern tendencies of the Flood.

I'd really enjoy it if the Timeless One was a Precursor, only if the Precursors are a separate species from The Flood..


But remember that the Forerunners, at one time, rebelled against the Precursors. The entity at Charum Hakkor wasn't the only one they had ever contacted.

  • 06.18.2011 8:31 AM PDT

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