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Subject: Did Halo 2 have the last Precursor in it ? I think so.

"The measure of a man is what he does with power"-Plato

"I have walked among men and Angels for 3,000 years.

Time has no end, no beginning, no purpose.

I wander the earth, seeking forgiveness for my horrible crimes against God, and man.

I live to see death, destruction, evil over the light.

But the light cannot be the extinguished.

I live in the prison of my own demise.

I am lost in time."



This is what is said in the Mausoleum suite in the Halo 2 ost.
We all assume that it's the Gravemind, but: "I live in the prison of my own demise". In Cryptum wasn't the last Precursor locked away being the LAST of his kind?

And "I am lost in time", it is described as the 'Timeless one' and time to the Precursor would be lost locked in a prison over the ages.

"Time has no end, no beginning, no purpose"

With the Precursors being able to live millions of years, maybe their view on time is different to everything else's.

"I learn to see death, destruction, evil over the light"

The Precursor-Forerunner war, the Precursors may have seen them as 'evil over the light'. Light being the precursors.

"But the light can not be extinguished"

Maybe he is talking about himself wanting revenge on the Forerunners or whomever holds the Mantle.


Discuss.



[Edited on 06.18.2011 2:31 PM PDT]

  • 06.18.2011 2:26 PM PDT

Didact's Reprisal -
Now is the time of our unworlding
One final effort is all that remains
And I am not afraid
We shall fulfill our promise
We fight for the grace of the Mantle
And this time none of you will be left behind

I have walked among men and Angels for 3,000 years

Well there's your answer, right in the first line.

  • 06.18.2011 2:31 PM PDT

"The measure of a man is what he does with power"-Plato


Posted by: Im SteelAssassn
I have walked among men and Angels for 3,000 years

Well there's your answer, right in the first line.


That's actually more difficult to explain.

If this is indeed the last Precursor, who or what does that classify as an Angel?

And for 3,000 years? Where has this thing been living? And who with?

[Edited on 06.18.2011 2:33 PM PDT]

  • 06.18.2011 2:32 PM PDT

You may be right, but I always thought that was Madicent Bias talking.

[Edited on 06.18.2011 2:35 PM PDT]

  • 06.18.2011 2:35 PM PDT

I always thought that referred to Mendicant Bias, or the Forerunners...

  • 06.18.2011 2:36 PM PDT

"The measure of a man is what he does with power"-Plato

"I wander the earth, seeking forgiveness for my horrible crimes against God, and man."

Not the Gravemind.

Not Mendicant Bias, because he got destroyed and rebuilt it's self over time and finally arriving at the Ark.

Not a Forerunner or: "Horrible crimes against God, and MAN". It MIGHT be the Didact, MIGHT.

And if it is the last Precursor where the hell is he on Earth? And more importantly WHY?

[Edited on 06.18.2011 2:41 PM PDT]

  • 06.18.2011 2:40 PM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: II Cipher
"I wander the earth, seeking forgiveness for my horrible crimes against God, and man."

Not the Gravemind.

Not Mendicant Bias, because he got destroyed and rebuilt it's self over time and finally arriving at the Ark.

Not a Forerunner or: "Horrible crimes against God, and MAN". It MIGHT be the Didact, MIGHT.

And if it is the last Precursor where the hell is he on Earth? And more importantly WHY?


Maybe the 2 next 4runner books will reveal more.

  • 06.18.2011 2:42 PM PDT

"The measure of a man is what he does with power"-Plato


Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: II Cipher
"I wander the earth, seeking forgiveness for my horrible crimes against God, and man."

Not the Gravemind.

Not Mendicant Bias, because he got destroyed and rebuilt it's self over time and finally arriving at the Ark.

Not a Forerunner or: "Horrible crimes against God, and MAN". It MIGHT be the Didact, MIGHT.

And if it is the last Precursor where the hell is he on Earth? And more importantly WHY?


Maybe the 2 next 4runner books will reveal more.


I hope so.

But it's fun diving deep in to.

I might be grasping at straws, I might be on to something. Who knows.

  • 06.18.2011 2:43 PM PDT


Posted by: II Cipher
"I wander the earth, seeking forgiveness for my horrible crimes against God, and man."

Not the Gravemind.

Not Mendicant Bias, because he got destroyed and rebuilt it's self over time and finally arriving at the Ark.

Not a Forerunner or: "Horrible crimes against God, and MAN". It MIGHT be the Didact, MIGHT.

And if it is the last Precursor where the hell is he on Earth? And more importantly WHY?

I don't see why it can't be Mendicant Bias.

As for the Forerunner, I see "God and man" as the Precursors and Humans.

EDIT: Plus the "I live in the prison of my own demise" part also points to Forerunners (or Mendicant Bias) to me, as they exiled themselves from the galaxy.



[Edited on 06.18.2011 2:46 PM PDT]

  • 06.18.2011 2:45 PM PDT

Oh hey there

Posted by: petarded2
It's a metaphor for the 07s' lack of identity. too old to be newfa­g, yet too new to be oldfa­g, we wander b.net in search of a home, forever trying to be something we are not.

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Posted by: Im SteelAssassn
I have walked among men and Angels for 3,000 years

Well there's your answer, right in the first line.


That's actually more difficult to explain.

If this is indeed the last Precursor, who or what does that classify as an Angel?

And for 3,000 years? Where has this thing been living? And who with?
I think you misunderstood him. The Precursor lived A LOT longer ago than 3000 years.

  • 06.18.2011 2:45 PM PDT

"The measure of a man is what he does with power"-Plato


Posted by: antony X1000

Posted by: II Cipher
"I wander the earth, seeking forgiveness for my horrible crimes against God, and man."

Not the Gravemind.

Not Mendicant Bias, because he got destroyed and rebuilt it's self over time and finally arriving at the Ark.

Not a Forerunner or: "Horrible crimes against God, and MAN". It MIGHT be the Didact, MIGHT.

And if it is the last Precursor where the hell is he on Earth? And more importantly WHY?

I don't see why it can't be Mendicant Bias.

As for the Forerunner, I see "God and man" as the Precursors and Humans.


Mendicant was on the Ark and High Charity.

I don't think he was on Earth at all.

  • 06.18.2011 2:48 PM PDT

"The measure of a man is what he does with power"-Plato


Posted by: Spartan1065
Posted by: II Cipher

Posted by: Im SteelAssassn
I have walked among men and Angels for 3,000 years

Well there's your answer, right in the first line.


That's actually more difficult to explain.

If this is indeed the last Precursor, who or what does that classify as an Angel?

And for 3,000 years? Where has this thing been living? And who with?
I think you misunderstood him. The Precursor lived A LOT longer ago than 3000 years.


But they can live for a LONG, LONG time.

  • 06.18.2011 2:49 PM PDT

Posted by: II Cipher
Mendicant was on the Ark and High Charity.

I don't think he was on Earth at all.

I think "earth" could be symbolic of something else. Realistically if it literally means Earth the planet, it almost certainly is a Human.

[Edited on 06.18.2011 2:51 PM PDT]

  • 06.18.2011 2:50 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

It's Mendicant Bias, he was active on the Keyship during Halo 2 as Cortana notes his "presence" on the ship in the penultimate mission of the game.

  • 06.18.2011 2:51 PM PDT
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My jokes, so I don't lose them (ignore this):
ZedFish's Opinion on Sgt. Foley.
ZedFish's Forerunner Rickroll.

Hmm...

  • 06.18.2011 2:52 PM PDT

"The measure of a man is what he does with power"-Plato


Posted by: antony X1000
Posted by: II Cipher
Mendicant was on the Ark and High Charity.

I don't think he was on Earth at all.

I think "earth" could be symbolic of something else. Realistically if it literally means Earth the planet, it almost certainly is a Human.


If it is a Human, then it changes everything.

  • 06.18.2011 2:53 PM PDT