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Subject: bungie was going where Cryptum went

what i mean by this is they were probably already were going to where the cryptum plot took halo, because in the IRIS videos where they are talking about the Gravemind, they say "it spoke to us......it has done this before.....elsewhere". of course this is referring to the human-flood war and yet some fans complained that IRIS contradicts cryptum when it actually supports it.

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  • 06.18.2011 3:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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IRIS was about the forerunners and there was no mention of the flood having a gravemind during that war.

IRIS doesn't contradict anything nor do the terminals

  • 06.18.2011 4:03 PM PDT

yes there is, because right before he says what i have posted up there, he says " the flood is no idiot parasite.....it has a center mind..."

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Posted by: xGCx Hierarchs
yes there is, because right before he says what i have posted up there, he says " the flood is no idiot parasite.....it has a center mind..."


That was during the forerunner times not the human times.

  • 06.18.2011 4:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
IRIS was about the forerunners and there was no mention of the flood having a gravemind during that war.

IRIS doesn't contradict anything nor do the terminals


The Flood did have a Gravemind.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: grey101
IRIS was about the forerunners and there was no mention of the flood having a gravemind during that war.

IRIS doesn't contradict anything nor do the terminals


The Flood did have a Gravemind.


ok. give me a source for saying there was a gravemind controlling the flood during the human-flood war.

  • 06.18.2011 4:19 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

Are you trying to say that Bungie was also planning to have an ancient human civilization and that supports that? Because I'd have to disagree simply on the grounds that Bungie must be better and more creative than that.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Because I'd have to disagree simply on the grounds that Bungie must be better and more creative than that.

umm i am sure you have played halo 3 and reach, not alot of creativity.

  • 06.18.2011 4:22 PM PDT

yeah i know! but when he says " it has done this before elsewhere" he is talking about the humans, duuhhhh!

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: xGCx Hierarchs
yeah i know! but when he says " it has done this before elsewhere" he is talking about the humans, duuhhhh!


Actually it was talking about the flood infecting another galaxy, the whole ancient humanity thing wasn't fleshed out back then since we didn't even know of the forerunners.

Only a view number of forerunners knew that humanity actually fought the flood first and pushed the out of the galaxy (which is still so amazing). To the general forerunner the flood were extra galactic due to them arriving from outside the galaxy on seaward thus this is what it is talking about.


Which if you think about it makes the beasturim info on the flood wrong becuase the flood weren't aren't before the powder unless there was an ancient form of them

  • 06.18.2011 4:33 PM PDT

are you stupid? when the flood starts a war the first thing they do is form a gravemind, because without one they are mindless, so since the forerunners and flood have a 300 year war your telling me that there was no gravemind? yeah right

  • 06.18.2011 4:33 PM PDT

ok but if it says that "it has said this before" who else would the gravemind have been talking to? there was no other intelligent life other than the forerunners after the humans lost the war, they had an empire of 3 million worlds! therefore it couldn't have been another galaxy!

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: xGCx Hierarchs
are you stupid? when the flood starts a war the first thing they do is form a gravemind, because without one they are mindless, so since the forerunners and flood have a 300 year war your telling me that there was no gravemind? yeah right


Did you read cryptum before calling me stupid? and do you even understand what i have been saying?


I said there was no gravemind during the human- flood war, please read before posting mindlessly idoit.
And after cryptum we have no idea if the gravemind is an actual stage of the flood or the same being from that time (since it wasn't killed)

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: xGCx Hierarchs
ok but if it says that "it has said this before" who else would the gravemind have been talking to? there was no other intelligent life other than the forerunners after the humans lost the war, they had an empire of 3 million worlds! therefore it couldn't have been another galaxy!


You didn't read cryptum.

Humanity pushed the flood out of the galaxy and the flood then spent the next 10,000 years infecting galaxy(s) near ours then they returned in the current form on Seaward

  • 06.18.2011 4:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Because I'd have to disagree simply on the grounds that Bungie must be better and more creative than that.

umm i am sure you have played halo 3 and reach, not alot of creativity.


Ehhh, Reach for sure, Halo 3 was alright. But those were still far above Cryptum. I give Bungie credit where it's due here, I just can't see them going that direction with the Haloverse.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: dahuterschuter
Because I'd have to disagree simply on the grounds that Bungie must be better and more creative than that.

umm i am sure you have played halo 3 and reach, not alot of creativity.


Ehhh, Reach for sure, Halo 3 was alright. But those were still far above Cryptum. I give Bungie credit where it's due here, I just can't see them going that direction with the Haloverse.


in all honesty you are crazy for thinking that is better than cryptum

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Because I'd have to disagree simply on the grounds that Bungie must be better and more creative than that.

umm i am sure you have played halo 3 and reach, not alot of creativity.


Ehhh, Reach for sure, Halo 3 was alright. But those were still far above Cryptum. I give Bungie credit where it's due here, I just can't see them going that direction with the Haloverse.

What's so bad about Cryptum?

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I haven't read Cryptum, so I can't completely hate on it yet, but I have my qualms with the information I've gotten about it. I'm sure the quality of the writing is fine, and so is most of the lore, but I really don't like the idea of an ancient space-faring humanity. It completely throws our knowledge of human evolution out the window. I've also heard that our species isn't even related to the other forms of life on Earth, although I'm not sure if that's true. If it is, it's pretty disappointing. I mean, in fiction and especially in fantasy and science-fiction, you're obviously going to get some parts where reality has to be suspended for the plot or canon, but you have to draw a line or it seems ridiculous.

  • 06.18.2011 4:52 PM PDT
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Yeah, thanks, Cryptum is based off of fragments from the HSB. Fragments that were created for the Terminal backstory. How swell.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: SubjectNameHere
I haven't read Cryptum, so I can't completely hate on it yet, but I have my qualms with the information I've gotten about it. I'm sure the quality of the writing is fine, and so is most of the lore, but I really don't like the idea of an ancient space-faring humanity. It completely throws our knowledge of human evolution out the window. I've also heard that our species isn't even related to the other forms of life on Earth, although I'm not sure if that's true. If it is, it's pretty disappointing. I mean, in fiction and especially in fantasy and science-fiction, you're obviously going to get some parts where reality has to be suspended for the plot or canon, but you have to draw a line or it seems ridiculous.


If you haven't read cryptum twice you shouldn't talk about it whatsoever.

It was implied that earth wasn't even the original homeworld of humanity thus opening up a window.
And bornsteller did mention that the fossil record would be messed up with the de-evolution (which is interesting becuase in real life the date is constantly being pushed back).
and we are still related to everything (don't know where that idea came from)

  • 06.18.2011 4:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: A Random Turtle
What's so bad about Cryptum?


What's bad about it is that the story it tells and what it introduces to the universe is just so bland and mediocre. There's no creativity or imagination to it. Where the Haloverse back story had such huge potential, noe it's ruined by Cryptum. Just disappointing.

Posted by: grey101
in all honesty you are crazy for thinking that is better than cryptum


In all honesty, you are crazy for thinking that is better than Halo 3 and to a lesser extent Reach.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: A Random Turtle
What's so bad about Cryptum?


What's bad about it is that the story it tells and what it introduces to the universe is just so bland and mediocre. There's no creativity or imagination to it. Where the Haloverse back story had such huge potential, noe it's ruined by Cryptum. Just disappointing.

Posted by: grey101
in all honesty you are crazy for thinking that is better than cryptum


In all honesty, you are crazy for thinking that is better than Halo 3 and to a lesser extent Reach.


your pretty much the only person that thinks that, so i feel for your opinion.

  • 06.18.2011 4:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
your pretty much the only person that thinks that, so i feel for your opinion.


On this forum at least. There's a few others who share that view here though. I really just don't understand how people can herald Cryptum as the best Halo novel when it's the worst Halo anything.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: SubjectNameHere
I haven't read Cryptum, so I can't completely hate on it yet, but I have my qualms with the information I've gotten about it. I'm sure the quality of the writing is fine, and so is most of the lore, but I really don't like the idea of an ancient space-faring humanity. It completely throws our knowledge of human evolution out the window. I've also heard that our species isn't even related to the other forms of life on Earth, although I'm not sure if that's true. If it is, it's pretty disappointing. I mean, in fiction and especially in fantasy and science-fiction, you're obviously going to get some parts where reality has to be suspended for the plot or canon, but you have to draw a line or it seems ridiculous.


If you haven't read cryptum twice you shouldn't talk about it whatsoever.


Ummm you shouldn't talk like an arrogant ass. Every post I see from you always looks like you hold a major grudge against anyone who doesn't hold the same opinion. Calm down, guy.


It was implied that earth wasn't even the original homeworld of humanity thus opening up a window.
And bornsteller did mention that the fossil record would be messed up with the de-evolution (which is interesting becuase in real life the date is constantly being pushed back).
and we are still related to everything (don't know where that idea came from)


When you say that Earth isn't the original homeworld, do you really mean our species only or all life on Earth? Just clarifying. If we (-blam!- sapiens sapiens) originate on another planet but the rest of Earth's flora and fauna don't, then how are we related to them at all? Also, Cryptum tries to account for the various extinct human species by saying that the Forerunners "devolved" us. Forgive my ignorance, but when did this occur? I've read that the space-faring humans lived about 200,000 BCE (which is, in reality, right around the time that our species first speciated from [probably] H. heidelbergensis), yet we can date our ancestors H. erectus/ergaster as having a nearly two million year existence, the most long lived of all human species. If we can date a H. erectus specimen to living that long ago, then wouldn't that give evidence that contradicts the idea that the Forerunners "devolved" us? I mean, I don't really expect a logical answer because as I've said before, there are places in fiction where it's going to conflict with reality. Just trying to figure out where those lines are.



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Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: grey101
your pretty much the only person that thinks that, so i feel for your opinion.


On this forum at least. There's a few others who share that view here though. I really just don't understand how people can herald Cryptum as the best Halo novel when it's the worst Halo anything.


Worse than Odd One Out? Realllly? Ruined FOREVER much?

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