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I just want to know what people were expecting in a Forerunner novel. We know next to nothing about them and our only real understand of them, the Flood, and the Precursors were shaped by the theories of folks like Lord Snakie, Augustus, and, I believe, Wolverfrog. And at the end of the day, those were only theories. That's it.

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Posted by: grey101

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I was under the impression that the Halo firing was around 100,000 BCE, much much later than the dinosaur extinction event.

During the time of the dinosaurs, the only mammals around were small shrews. If you're saying what I think you're saying (and it's true), that humans actually come before dinosaurs, primates before there were even mammals to evolve into primates, then that is severely disappointing. I find that unlikely, though, I think you must have just misworded or misread the original text. Atleast, that's what I hope.


I wasn't talking about it wiping out the dinosaurs, i was saying ancient man evolved during the late years of the dinosaurs. though i didn't fully explain that in the last post that is pretty much what happened.

Yes the halo affect was around that time in which animals went extinct becuase of that which shows up in the record.
And you really need to stop trying to compare events in our line with halos.


It's weird when, in the fiction, they try to come up with explanations for real life phenomena (various extinct human species are caused by Forerunner devolution) and at the same time completely throw it out the window lol. Oh well, I guess that's just where the Halo universe decides to ruin history lol. It's kind of foolish to think that upright, thinking primates with space faring capabilities had evolved at the same time as the shrew-like mammals they actually come from existed.

Also, I'm not sure which extinction event you're referring to, maybe the Toba Incident that nearly wiped our species out? That's the only thing that instantly comes to mind, but that was a volcanic eruption in Indonesia.

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If we in out real life timeline can't completely present a logical, fact-based timeline for life hundreds of thousands of years ago, why is Bear getting crap for not being able to?


We have a pretty damn good idea of what was going on. We know more about it now than we did fifty years ago, and we've still got stuff to learn, but to say that we don't know anything about it is kind of ignorant to the whole field of biological anthropology haha.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I am referring to the extinction event in halo i am not talking about real life. in which the halo affect that happened 10,000 years ago shows up in the record for halo.

He didn't say we knew nothing just that we don't know everything.

  • 06.19.2011 4:39 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: SubjectNameHere
We have a pretty damn good idea of what was going on. We know more about it now than we did fifty years ago, and we've still got stuff to learn, but to say that we don't know anything about it is kind of ignorant to the whole field of biological anthropology haha.

Never said we knew nothing, but we don't know everything. And this is only complicated further when you understand Halo is a fictional universe. Trying to tie in our rough estimation of life's evolutionary course and fitting in the actions of the Forerunners isn't going to be super smooth.

  • 06.19.2011 4:48 PM PDT

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are you stupid? when the flood starts a war the first thing they do is form a gravemind, because without one they are mindless, so since the forerunners and flood have a 300 year war your telling me that there was no gravemind? yeah right


Did you read cryptum before calling me stupid? and do you even understand what i have been saying?


I said there was no gravemind during the human- flood war, please read before posting mindlessly idoit.
And after cryptum we have no idea if the gravemind is an actual stage of the flood or the same being from that time (since it wasn't killed)


"I have defeated fleets of THOUSANDS. Reduced the galaxy to flesh, and mind, and BONE!!"-Halo 3

If that gives any hint to anything.


It's consumed not reduced and it hints that you don't know what you are talking about


Oh, im sorry. i got a word mixed up. My bad. I think my point is still valid though, that the Gravemind was around during the time of the Flood/Forerunner conflict, and that youre an idiot.

Am i right?

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Posted by: grey101
It was implied that earth wasn't even the original homeworld of humanity thus opening up a window.
Where was this implied?

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Posted by: grey101
I am referring to the extinction event in halo i am not talking about real life. in which the halo affect that happened 10,000 years ago shows up in the record for halo.

He didn't say we knew nothing just that we don't know everything.

I have read throughout the whole thread. I know very well what you both are talking about. Since end of the first page, you have been trying to explain how Halo Cryptum goes well with real life happenings. There is nothing wrong with that except it all contradicted with some part of what we know about evolution. Anyway, just now you admit that Halo is a fictional universe and contradictions with real life are irrelevant. You could have said it two pages earlier to avoid this whole discussion.

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OMG SO LAST NITE ON THE SIMPSONS BART HAD FOUR FINGERS AND WAS YELLO !!! THAT DOESNT MAKE SENSE 'CAUSE HUMANS WERE NEVER YELLOW AND DIDN'T EVER HAVE FOUR FINGERS!!!


I'm sorry, but you're an idiot. This is what you're doing. You're trying to compare the events in a fiction storyline and place them in reality to explain events that really happened.

The Halo universe will never be realistic. Hence the term 'Fiction'.

What you keep on doing doesn't make sense.

Halo isn't real. The writers can change the past however they wants to. Maybe you should just keep that in your mind bro.

  • 06.20.2011 8:34 AM PDT

Does anyone know when the next novel is coming out? Its a trilogy of novels about the forerunners.

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Posted by: grey101
your pretty much the only person that thinks that, so i feel for your opinion.


On this forum at least. There's a few others who share that view here though. I really just don't understand how people can herald Cryptum as the best Halo novel when it's the worst Halo anything.
are u drunk?

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OMG SO LAST NITE ON THE SIMPSONS BART HAD FOUR FINGERS AND WAS YELLO !!! THAT DOESNT MAKE SENSE 'CAUSE HUMANS WERE NEVER YELLOW AND DIDN'T EVER HAVE FOUR FINGERS!!!


I'm sorry, but you're an idiot. This is what you're doing. You're trying to compare the events in a fiction storyline and place them in reality to explain events that really happened.

The Halo universe will never be realistic. Hence the term 'Fiction'.

What you keep on doing doesn't make sense.

Halo isn't real. The writers can change the past however they wants to. Maybe you should just keep that in your mind bro.


I wouldn't complain about the Simpsons characters having yellow skin or the wrong number of fingers, because from the outset, you know that human anatomical correctness is not something Matt Groening holds highly when he makes cartoon characters.

Science-fiction, by definition, explores an imaginary technology or concepts that could conceivably be scientifically possible. The Halo universe fits this description. Although the Halo universe contains elements that are not currently possible within our technological grasp, or may not ever be, or may be entirely fictional, there is still an inkling of that conceivability.

Cryptum is a story that, aside from giving information about the Forerunners, also has a setting and mythology that attempts to directly correlate with reality. You're acting as if I'm bringing up human evolution when the Halo fiction doesn't talk about it at all, which is clearly not the case.

As I've probably said five times in this thread, I'm only trying to do what many, many other people in this forum and others do: find the reality/fiction lines.

And by the way, the next time you try to disagree with someone, don't act like a jackass. Post your opinion calmly and politely, and you'll be addressed as such.

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Posted by: grey101
IRIS was about the forerunners and there was no mention of the flood having a gravemind during that war.

IRIS doesn't contradict anything nor do the terminals


He's referring the the Precurors.... they came before the forerunners... there is one in cyrptum.

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Posted by: SubjectNameHere
I wouldn't complain about the Simpsons characters having yellow skin or the wrong number of fingers, because from the outset, you know that human anatomical correctness is not something Matt Groening holds highly when he makes cartoon characters.

Haha, okay then. :)

Science-fiction, by definition, explores an imaginary technology or concepts that could conceivably be scientifically possible. The Halo universe fits this description. Although the Halo universe contains elements that are not currently possible within our technological grasp, or may not ever be, or may be entirely fictional, there is still an inkling of that conceivability.
Science fiction:
Science fiction is a genre of fiction dealing with the impact of imagined innovations in science or technology, sometimes in a futuristic setting

While I understand what you're saying - It doesn't make sense in the slightest for the Human's to be that advanced at that time, considering they originated on Earth - but it also doesn't make sense for so many other things in the Halo universe. But they aren't criticized for being impossible or more plainly, wrong.

Cryptum is a story that, aside from giving information about the Forerunners, also has a setting and mythology that attempts to directly correlate with reality. You're acting as if I'm bringing up human evolution when the Halo fiction doesn't talk about it at all, which is clearly not the case.
While it does try to link up with real world events purely for viewer immersion, you shouldn't be this [dissatisfied] when it changes certain things.

As I've probably said five times in this thread, I'm only trying to do what many, many other people in this forum and others do: find the reality/fiction lines.
That's all and well. But in the end you shouldn't be annoyed when these lines are blurred with inconsistency. It is after all, a story.

And by the way, the next time you try to disagree with someone, don't act like a jackass. Post your opinion calmly and politely, and you'll be addressed as such.I posted my opinion calmly. Just trying to get a point across.

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I haven't read Cryptum, so I can't completely hate on it yet, but I have my qualms with the information I've gotten about it. I'm sure the quality of the writing is fine, and so is most of the lore, but I really don't like the idea of an ancient space-faring humanity. It completely throws our knowledge of human evolution out the window. I've also heard that our species isn't even related to the other forms of life on Earth, although I'm not sure if that's true. If it is, it's pretty disappointing. I mean, in fiction and especially in fantasy and science-fiction, you're obviously going to get some parts where reality has to be suspended for the plot or canon, but you have to draw a line or it seems ridiculous.


If you haven't read cryptum twice you shouldn't talk about it whatsoever.


Ummm you shouldn't talk like an arrogant ass. Every post I see from you always looks like you hold a major grudge against anyone who doesn't hold the same opinion. Calm down, guy.


It was implied that earth wasn't even the original homeworld of humanity thus opening up a window.
And bornsteller did mention that the fossil record would be messed up with the de-evolution (which is interesting becuase in real life the date is constantly being pushed back).
and we are still related to everything (don't know where that idea came from)


When you say that Earth isn't the original homeworld, do you really mean our species only or all life on Earth? Just clarifying. If we (-blam!- sapiens sapiens) originate on another planet but the rest of Earth's flora and fauna don't, then how are we related to them at all? Also, Cryptum tries to account for the various extinct human species by saying that the Forerunners "devolved" us. Forgive my ignorance, but when did this occur? I've read that the space-faring humans lived about 200,000 BCE (which is, in reality, right around the time that our species first speciated from [probably] H. heidelbergensis), yet we can date our ancestors H. erectus/ergaster as having a nearly two million year existence, the most long lived of all human species. If we can date a H. erectus specimen to living that long ago, then wouldn't that give evidence that contradicts the idea that the Forerunners "devolved" us? I mean, I don't really expect a logical answer because as I've said before, there are places in fiction where it's going to conflict with reality. Just trying to figure out where those lines are.





Anybody that has truly read cryptum will tell you the same thing so i don't see how that is coming off as arrogant. there is too much information for you to not read the book and then say how you don't like it and or don't think it adds up. not to mention when you finally do get it your going to have to re-read it for all the information to sink in. and i couldn't careless what you think about me, you have only been here a few months not to mention at the end of an era.



And this is exactly why i said if you haven't read the book then you shouldn't be trying to get involved with it and i don't understand how hard it is to buy the book. so unless you post something really stupid after this; this will be the last post i have with you regarding the events of the book.

*Sigh* bornsteller said (paraphrasing) that to the best of forerunner technology they believed that Erde-Tyrene (earth) was the birth place of humanity. It then later says that they probably moved their empire to avoid forerunner control, which is where i am guessing dinosaurs come in.
Keep in mind that they are talking about ancient humanity meaning if earth was their original homeworld then they were around far far longer; modern man hasn't appeared just yet in cryptum and that is what we are.


seriously just get the damn book, i hate when people do stuff like this.


Umm... ive read Halo Cryptum and i agree completely with what subject has been saying, i personally disagree completely with the way they've advanced the halo novels, and i dont think they've done it well, i think the whole thing about humans being around and almost as advanced as forerunners is to be honest, stupid. I'm not saying it doesnt make some sense, they've fit it into the cannon but i just don't understand why they did that? i think the story of the weak human underdogs of the galaxy fighting it out is great, but now you here oh actually they used to be pretty much as advanced as the forerunners,and in my eyes it completely ruins it for me.
I think them writing it from the forerunners point of view was a mistake aswell,i think we should learn a lot more about the forerunners, but in the way we always have, artifacts, terminals, or maybe even stumbling upon some remnants of them, but i think this should all be done in the timeline that everything else has taken place in (26th century is it?), because this cryptum has just taken away all the elegance and mystery from them, and made them appear as just another crappy arrogant race.
Another thing i hated from the book was the whole thing about the precursors, the whole 'ancient all powerful race' crap is so overused, and ive got to admit it usually does work, halo pretty much invented that, and mas effect have done it but in a completely different way, but for halo to do it again twice in almost exactly the same way with different people its just lazy to be honest, i was hoping the new novels, although i thought they were a step in the wrong direction, would be different, yet still have some halo feel to them. i was wrong.
Oh and yes in most of your most you are coming across as very arrogant just calm down and learn to respect other peoples opinions, just because people disagree with you, doesn't make them wrong or stupid.
P.S yeh a little of topic :P

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

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are you stupid? when the flood starts a war the first thing they do is form a gravemind, because without one they are mindless, so since the forerunners and flood have a 300 year war your telling me that there was no gravemind? yeah right


Did you read cryptum before calling me stupid? and do you even understand what i have been saying?


I said there was no gravemind during the human- flood war, please read before posting mindlessly idoit.
And after cryptum we have no idea if the gravemind is an actual stage of the flood or the same being from that time (since it wasn't killed)


"I have defeated fleets of THOUSANDS. Reduced the galaxy to flesh, and mind, and BONE!!"-Halo 3

If that gives any hint to anything.


It's consumed not reduced and it hints that you don't know what you are talking about


Oh, im sorry. i got a word mixed up. My bad. I think my point is still valid though, that the Gravemind was around during the time of the Flood/Forerunner conflict, and that youre an idiot.

Am i right?


I was talking about a grave mind being around during the human- flood war, you got the wording mixed up, you're a moron, and you are wrong.


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Posted by: grey101
It was implied that earth wasn't even the original homeworld of humanity thus opening up a window.
Where was this implied?


I gave an exact excerpt on the last page I believe, it was on page 20 saying earth was our homeworld to the best of forerunner knowledge.

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Posted by: grey101
I am referring to the extinction event in halo i am not talking about real life. in which the halo affect that happened 10,000 years ago shows up in the record for halo.

He didn't say we knew nothing just that we don't know everything.

I have read throughout the whole thread. I know very well what you both are talking about. Since end of the first page, you have been trying to explain how Halo Cryptum goes well with real life happenings. There is nothing wrong with that except it all contradicted with some part of what we know about evolution. Anyway, just now you admit that Halo is a fictional universe and contradictions with real life are irrelevant. You could have said it two pages earlier to avoid this whole discussion.


What in the world? I have not being saying halo match up perfectly with real life I have been doing the exact opposite trying to tell subject that the events in halo aren't going to exactly match up with real life Here is a quote on this same page about me stating so

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Posted by: grey101
I am referring to the extinction event in halo i am not talking about real life. in which the halo affect that happened 10,000 years ago shows up in the record for halo.
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So its seems everybody here is getting my points and words confused greatly.

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I haven't read Cryptum, so I can't completely hate on it yet, but I have my qualms with the information I've gotten about it. I'm sure the quality of the writing is fine, and so is most of the lore, but I really don't like the idea of an ancient space-faring humanity. It completely throws our knowledge of human evolution out the window. I've also heard that our species isn't even related to the other forms of life on Earth, although I'm not sure if that's true. If it is, it's pretty disappointing. I mean, in fiction and especially in fantasy and science-fiction, you're obviously going to get some parts where reality has to be suspended for the plot or canon, but you have to draw a line or it seems ridiculous.


If you haven't read cryptum twice you shouldn't talk about it whatsoever.


Ummm you shouldn't talk like an arrogant ass. Every post I see from you always looks like you hold a major grudge against anyone who doesn't hold the same opinion. Calm down, guy.


It was implied that earth wasn't even the original homeworld of humanity thus opening up a window.
And bornsteller did mention that the fossil record would be messed up with the de-evolution (which is interesting becuase in real life the date is constantly being pushed back).
and we are still related to everything (don't know where that idea came from)


When you say that Earth isn't the original homeworld, do you really mean our species only or all life on Earth? Just clarifying. If we (-blam!- sapiens sapiens) originate on another planet but the rest of Earth's flora and fauna don't, then how are we related to them at all? Also, Cryptum tries to account for the various extinct human species by saying that the Forerunners "devolved" us. Forgive my ignorance, but when did this occur? I've read that the space-faring humans lived about 200,000 BCE (which is, in reality, right around the time that our species first speciated from [probably] H. heidelbergensis), yet we can date our ancestors H. erectus/ergaster as having a nearly two million year existence, the most long lived of all human species. If we can date a H. erectus specimen to living that long ago, then wouldn't that give evidence that contradicts the idea that the Forerunners "devolved" us? I mean, I don't really expect a logical answer because as I've said before, there are places in fiction where it's going to conflict with reality. Just trying to figure out where those lines are.





Anybody that has truly read cryptum will tell you the same thing so i don't see how that is coming off as arrogant. there is too much information for you to not read the book and then say how you don't like it and or don't think it adds up. not to mention when you finally do get it your going to have to re-read it for all the information to sink in. and i couldn't careless what you think about me, you have only been here a few months not to mention at the end of an era.



And this is exactly why i said if you haven't read the book then you shouldn't be trying to get involved with it and i don't understand how hard it is to buy the book. so unless you post something really stupid after this; this will be the last post i have with you regarding the events of the book.

*Sigh* bornsteller said (paraphrasing) that to the best of forerunner technology they believed that Erde-Tyrene (earth) was the birth place of humanity. It then later says that they probably moved their empire to avoid forerunner control, which is where i am guessing dinosaurs come in.
Keep in mind that they are talking about ancient humanity meaning if earth was their original homeworld then they were around far far longer; modern man hasn't appeared just yet in cryptum and that is what we are.


seriously just get the damn book, i hate when people do stuff like this.


Umm... ive read Halo Cryptum and i agree completely with what subject has been saying, i personally disagree completely with the way they've advanced the halo novels, and i dont think they've done it well, i think the whole thing about humans being around and almost as advanced as forerunners is to be honest, stupid. I'm not saying it doesnt make some sense, they've fit it into the cannon but i just don't understand why they did that? i think the story of the weak human underdogs of the galaxy fighting it out is great, but now you here oh actually they used to be pretty much as advanced as the forerunners,and in my eyes it completely ruins it for me.

I think them writing it from the forerunners point of view was a mistake aswell,i think we should learn a lot more about the forerunners, but in the way we always have, artifacts, terminals, or maybe even stumbling upon some remnants of them, but i think this should all be done in the timeline that everything else has taken place in (26th century is it?), because this cryptum has just taken away all the elegance and mystery from them, and made them appear as just another crappy arrogant race.

Another thing i hated from the book was the whole thing about the precursors, the whole 'ancient all powerful race' crap is so overused, and ive got to admit it usually does work, halo pretty much invented that, and mas effect have done it but in a completely different way, but for halo to do it again twice in almost exactly the same way with different people its just lazy to be honest, i was hoping the new novels, although i thought they were a step in the wrong direction, would be different, yet still have some halo feel to them. i was wrong.

Oh and yes in most of your most you are coming across as very arrogant just calm down and learn to respect other peoples opinions, just because people disagree with you, doesn't make them wrong or stupid.
P.S yeh a little of topic :P


There is a reason for that though. Humanity being constantly battered and barley winning wars but winning them nontheless is suppose to represent how they are the "chosen ones" so to speak of the galaxy. The fact they beat the flood where the forerunners couldn't is an example of such a feat; along with them deafeting the covenant despite how circumstancal that was they did it nontheless. This is tying in with them being inheritors of some [greater philosophy]. Thought this isn't written in plain sight that is the reason for such and that is what halo is pretty much about.



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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Again this is mainly due to you and other people viewing the forerunners as angles despite it never being said they were, and again the reason this is done is to show that they are not gods but living beings with feelings and flaws. Also to show that they could have beat the flood if they abandoned their ideals but they stayed true and paid a noble price. Halo is all about themes and in a sense lessons. I understand some people might not be able to grasp that unless that is written in plain words but that is halo, it is more than an action story.


I don't understand way you people want halo to go forward and forward when there is a plethora of backstory to be explained. Not to mention it is hard to go forward without being pointless, such as the introduction of some random new threat.


Not sure if that is directed at me but it isn't that I am being arrogant it is that my post aren't being understood properly (which I just noticed) along with the fact you guys think I am getting angry or something despite me not saying a am (which is my trademark on the threads) .I am respecting peoples opinions which is why I am asking people to explain why they don't like cryptum. I criticize the people that say they don't like it and don't give a reason or say for

  • 06.20.2011 9:53 PM PDT

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Because the theory of evolution is a fundamental aspect of biological life, and our species (as well as all forms of life on the planet) has a long evolutionary journey from point A to point B. As someone who is going to school to be a biological anthropologist, I do know a little bit about the subject, and we have a pretty damn good idea of when species were alive and where they come from. Your last sentence...Are you saying that radiometric dating on extinct hominids is untrustworthy? I don't think you quite understand the nature of that kind of business.

Also, how would the Halo weapon muck up the fossil record? The Halo weapon, as I understand it, kills off any sentient animal with sufficient biomass to sustain the Flood. That doesn't really affect dead organisms, whose bones have been fossilized (replaced by non-organic minerals).

It's not that I'm getting worked up that Cryptum doesn't line up with our knowledge of human evolution, I'm just trying to understand where it jumps off of reality and into fiction, as stated in my previous posts. So, within each of grey101's "You don't know anything, you have to read the book to even begin discussing it" posts, I've discerned that he doesn't know. Not to his discredit, of course, the book just doesn't offer up a logical explanation, as of yet.


I do not agree at all, I do not think there is any real evidence to support the Theory of Evolution, I think there is a great deal that either contradicts it or is just not sound logically in some aspects. I'm not going to turn this into a debate on the subject though. What I was saying with my last sentence is that the dating methods in use are not all they're cracked up to be, (I may be wrong as we may be talking about entirely different methods and I am not anything close to an expert on the subject) like for instance the dating method used to interpret the age of the rocks and the like around a fossil when used on formations and the like we actually know the ages for (such as things caused by the eruption of Mt. St. Helens) come back with ages of millions of years, so that tells me the dating methods (or that particular method) is not very accurate.

I don't know if it would have any affect on matter that is already dead because we don't know all that much about the method the Halo Array uses to kill off/destroy the Flood's food sources, but it would be a mass extinction event and that would play merry-hob with the fossil record due to the amount of creatures dying. Born even makes mention of the extinction of the creatures in the same system as Charum Hakkor messing up that system's fossil record, so it is something that can/does happen. Not to mention that the worlds being resettled would (imo) need a bit of terrforming done to them to get the planets back to a habitable state going off of what had happened to the ecosystem of Faun Hakkor, and that too would mess up the fossil record by displacing the fossils or any other number of factors.

I haven't paid a lot of attention to what could possibly explain links between reality and Halo's fiction because I don't really care, I only want stories to be consistant with themselves and don't give a crap about much else in them (as long it's not Historical Fiction or something like that, then it should be accurate), so I can't tell you what could be explanations. I think the best course of action would be to read the book for yourself before you decide if it offers up worthy explanations or not.

  • 06.21.2011 5:08 PM PDT

and obviously i was saying that there was a gravemind in the forerunner-flood war...

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