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We are all going to get banned aren't we?
Posted by: The Shepherd214
Posted by: grey101
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are you stupid? when the flood starts a war the first thing they do is form a gravemind, because without one they are mindless, so since the forerunners and flood have a 300 year war your telling me that there was no gravemind? yeah right
Did you read cryptum before calling me stupid? and do you even understand what i have been saying?
I said there was no gravemind during the human- flood war, please read before posting mindlessly idoit.
And after cryptum we have no idea if the gravemind is an actual stage of the flood or the same being from that time (since it wasn't killed)
"I have defeated fleets of THOUSANDS. Reduced the galaxy to flesh, and mind, and BONE!!"-Halo 3
If that gives any hint to anything.
It's consumed not reduced and it hints that you don't know what you are talking about
Oh, im sorry. i got a word mixed up. My bad. I think my point is still valid though, that the Gravemind was around during the time of the Flood/Forerunner conflict, and that youre an idiot.
Am i right?
I was talking about a grave mind being around during the human- flood war, you got the wording mixed up, you're a moron, and you are wrong.
Posted by: Dream053
Posted by: grey101
It was implied that earth wasn't even the original homeworld of humanity thus opening up a window.Where was this implied?
I gave an exact excerpt on the last page I believe, it was on page 20 saying earth was our homeworld to the best of forerunner knowledge.
Posted by: tsassi2
Posted by: grey101
I am referring to the extinction event in halo i am not talking about real life. in which the halo affect that happened 10,000 years ago shows up in the record for halo.
He didn't say we knew nothing just that we don't know everything.
I have read throughout the whole thread. I know very well what you both are talking about. Since end of the first page, you have been trying to explain how Halo Cryptum goes well with real life happenings. There is nothing wrong with that except it all contradicted with some part of what we know about evolution. Anyway, just now you admit that Halo is a fictional universe and contradictions with real life are irrelevant. You could have said it two pages earlier to avoid this whole discussion.
What in the world? I have not being saying halo match up perfectly with real life I have been doing the exact opposite trying to tell subject that the events in halo aren't going to exactly match up with real life Here is a quote on this same page about me stating so
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Posted by: grey101
I am referring to the extinction event in halo i am not talking about real life. in which the halo affect that happened 10,000 years ago shows up in the record for halo.
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So its seems everybody here is getting my points and words confused greatly.
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I haven't read Cryptum, so I can't completely hate on it yet, but I have my qualms with the information I've gotten about it. I'm sure the quality of the writing is fine, and so is most of the lore, but I really don't like the idea of an ancient space-faring humanity. It completely throws our knowledge of human evolution out the window. I've also heard that our species isn't even related to the other forms of life on Earth, although I'm not sure if that's true. If it is, it's pretty disappointing. I mean, in fiction and especially in fantasy and science-fiction, you're obviously going to get some parts where reality has to be suspended for the plot or canon, but you have to draw a line or it seems ridiculous.
If you haven't read cryptum twice you shouldn't talk about it whatsoever.
Ummm you shouldn't talk like an arrogant ass. Every post I see from you always looks like you hold a major grudge against anyone who doesn't hold the same opinion. Calm down, guy.
It was implied that earth wasn't even the original homeworld of humanity thus opening up a window.
And bornsteller did mention that the fossil record would be messed up with the de-evolution (which is interesting becuase in real life the date is constantly being pushed back).
and we are still related to everything (don't know where that idea came from)
When you say that Earth isn't the original homeworld, do you really mean our species only or all life on Earth? Just clarifying. If we (-blam!- sapiens sapiens) originate on another planet but the rest of Earth's flora and fauna don't, then how are we related to them at all? Also, Cryptum tries to account for the various extinct human species by saying that the Forerunners "devolved" us. Forgive my ignorance, but when did this occur? I've read that the space-faring humans lived about 200,000 BCE (which is, in reality, right around the time that our species first speciated from [probably] H. heidelbergensis), yet we can date our ancestors H. erectus/ergaster as having a nearly two million year existence, the most long lived of all human species. If we can date a H. erectus specimen to living that long ago, then wouldn't that give evidence that contradicts the idea that the Forerunners "devolved" us? I mean, I don't really expect a logical answer because as I've said before, there are places in fiction where it's going to conflict with reality. Just trying to figure out where those lines are.
Anybody that has truly read cryptum will tell you the same thing so i don't see how that is coming off as arrogant. there is too much information for you to not read the book and then say how you don't like it and or don't think it adds up. not to mention when you finally do get it your going to have to re-read it for all the information to sink in. and i couldn't careless what you think about me, you have only been here a few months not to mention at the end of an era.
And this is exactly why i said if you haven't read the book then you shouldn't be trying to get involved with it and i don't understand how hard it is to buy the book. so unless you post something really stupid after this; this will be the last post i have with you regarding the events of the book.
*Sigh* bornsteller said (paraphrasing) that to the best of forerunner technology they believed that Erde-Tyrene (earth) was the birth place of humanity. It then later says that they probably moved their empire to avoid forerunner control, which is where i am guessing dinosaurs come in.
Keep in mind that they are talking about ancient humanity meaning if earth was their original homeworld then they were around far far longer; modern man hasn't appeared just yet in cryptum and that is what we are.
seriously just get the damn book, i hate when people do stuff like this.
Umm... ive read Halo Cryptum and i agree completely with what subject has been saying, i personally disagree completely with the way they've advanced the halo novels, and i dont think they've done it well, i think the whole thing about humans being around and almost as advanced as forerunners is to be honest, stupid. I'm not saying it doesnt make some sense, they've fit it into the cannon but i just don't understand why they did that? i think the story of the weak human underdogs of the galaxy fighting it out is great, but now you here oh actually they used to be pretty much as advanced as the forerunners,and in my eyes it completely ruins it for me.
I think them writing it from the forerunners point of view was a mistake aswell,i think we should learn a lot more about the forerunners, but in the way we always have, artifacts, terminals, or maybe even stumbling upon some remnants of them, but i think this should all be done in the timeline that everything else has taken place in (26th century is it?), because this cryptum has just taken away all the elegance and mystery from them, and made them appear as just another crappy arrogant race.
Another thing i hated from the book was the whole thing about the precursors, the whole 'ancient all powerful race' crap is so overused, and ive got to admit it usually does work, halo pretty much invented that, and mas effect have done it but in a completely different way, but for halo to do it again twice in almost exactly the same way with different people its just lazy to be honest, i was hoping the new novels, although i thought they were a step in the wrong direction, would be different, yet still have some halo feel to them. i was wrong.
Oh and yes in most of your most you are coming across as very arrogant just calm down and learn to respect other peoples opinions, just because people disagree with you, doesn't make them wrong or stupid.
P.S yeh a little of topic :P
There is a reason for that though. Humanity being constantly battered and barley winning wars but winning them nontheless is suppose to represent how they are the "chosen ones" so to speak of the galaxy. The fact they beat the flood where the forerunners couldn't is an example of such a feat; along with them deafeting the covenant despite how circumstancal that was they did it nontheless. This is tying in with them being inheritors of some [greater philosophy]. Thought this isn't written in plain sight that is the reason for such and that is what halo is pretty much about.