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Subject: Because of Crytum, do you think that Haloverse can connect to Marathon

The time will come to do somthing, someone told you to do, and you will either do it, or not. Personaly I wouldnt do it just to piss them off. But thats just me.

Just putting it out there, if humans existed a long time before our personal(Real Life) history began, than can we think that the humans that spread across galaxies before coming in contact with the Flood the first time, as well as the not so god like supreme being known as "Forerunners", could they have spawned the stories of Marathon?

I personably have not played the games, only thing I know about it I read from the Cortana Letters, but if the human/flood war(pre-Forerunner) started some time after Marathon finishes, and then the Forerunners come in, then the humans get pushed back into primitive beings and spread across a few planets, then (after this new flood/forerunner) they become important because they were created as equals to the Forerunners by these "Precursor" and held something inside them that the Forerunners never could have, something necessary that could NEVER be lost, so they saved them (seeding earth to give us life once more) after the halos are fired.


and now after HALO 4 was revealed, the Forerunners could be back from their sleep?


Just want to know if anyone thinks this is possibly making any sense and see if anyone else thinks the same as I do.

  • 06.19.2011 12:13 PM PDT

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  • 06.19.2011 12:20 PM PDT

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  • 06.19.2011 12:20 PM PDT

Bungie outright said Marathon and Halo do not take place in the same 'universe'.

  • 06.19.2011 12:24 PM PDT

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  • 06.19.2011 12:38 PM PDT

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  • 06.19.2011 12:39 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

Halo and Marathon were already connected. When the Ark exploded it warped the cargo bay to the Marathon universe and the Legendary Planet is Marathon Mars.

  • 06.19.2011 12:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Halo and Marathon were already connected. When the Ark exploded it warped the cargo bay to the Marathon universe and the Legendary Planet is Marathon Mars.


Sorry, but no. There are by far more canonical inconsistencies between the two universes that the infrequent similarities everyone seems to want to point to as proof in support of the connection theory. Still, even if you choose to outright ignore the canonical differences, you still must realize that (as others have already stated above) Bungie themselves have stated the two universes are in no way connected, in addition to having also stated they were finished with the Marathon story and had no desire to return to it.

  • 06.19.2011 12:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: Placid Platypus

Posted by: dahuterschuter
Halo and Marathon were already connected. When the Ark exploded it warped the cargo bay to the Marathon universe and the Legendary Planet is Marathon Mars.


Sorry, but no. There are by far more canonical inconsistencies between the two universes that the infrequent similarities everyone seems to want to point to as proof in support of the connection theory. Still, even if you choose to outright ignore the canonical differences, you still must realize that (as others have already stated above) Bungie themselves have stated the two universes are in no way connected, in addition to having also stated they were finished with the Marathon story and had no desire to return to it.


Not technically or tangibly connected. They're only "connected," in the sense that Chief is now in the Marathon universe.

  • 06.19.2011 12:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Not technically or tangibly connected. They're only "connected," in the sense that Chief is now in the Marathon universe.


Sorry, try again. Master Chief is not in the Marathon universe. It takes more than the Marathon symbol on the side of a large ping pong ball to make where he is the Marathon universe. Besides, the colony-ship Marathon was not created from Mars (as you had suggested earlier), rather from Deimos, one of it's moons. The planet shown at the end of Halo 3 is not a colony-ship at all, and retains no similarities to the UESC Marathon besides.

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Halo and Marathon were already connected. When the Ark exploded it warped the cargo bay to the Marathon universe and the Legendary Planet is Marathon Mars.

Nope. Here are some reasons why Marathon and Halo cannot be in the same universe:

Posted by: Sardonic13
Faster Than Light Travel
The first contradiction involves the technology of faster than light (FTL) travel. Everyone knows that in Halo, FTL travel is possible by using Slipspace. According to the Halo timeline, the Shaw-Fujikawa Translight Engine was created in 2291. By 2310 FTL travel was being used to start colonies. By 2390, colonization of the Inner Colonies was fully underway. By 2468, Outer Colonies were being settled. By 2490, the colonization boom was well underway and human space encompassed more than 800 worlds.

A quick study of Marathon's timeline will reveal a very different story. The conversion of Mars' moon Deimos into the Colony Ship Marathon began in 2408. It was completed 64 years later in 2472. It took the Marathon 300 years to travel from Sol to Tau Ceti (a distance of 12 light years). Obviously the Marathon was not equipped with FTL travel capability.

It is unconscionable that a colony ship would be built without FTL travel capability 117 years after the discovery of the FTL travel engine and during the golden age of FTL travel driven space exploration and colonization. Therefore it is not possible that the Halo and Marathon stories exist in the same universe.

Teleportation Technology
According to the Marathon timeline, teleporters began to be used in Sol as early as 2319. The Marathon, which was constructed from 2408 - 2472 was equipped with teleportation technology.

In the Halo universe teleportation technology was still unknown to humanity in 2552, 233 years after it was being used in Sol in the Marathon universe.

FTL travel and teleportation technologies are both unique to their respective universes and of primary importance in the telling of each story. These technological contradictions are irreconcilable, and therefore prove that the Marathon and Halo universes cannot be one in the same.


There is also the fact that Microsoft doesn't own Marathon and therefore can't use it.

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Posted by: xXTheColossusXx
Just putting it out there, if humans existed a long time before our personal(Real Life) history began, than can we think that the humans that spread across galaxies before coming in contact with the Flood the first time, as well as the not so god like supreme being known as "Forerunners", could they have spawned the stories of Marathon?

I personably have not played the games, only thing I know about it I read from the Cortana Letters, but if the human/flood war(pre-Forerunner) started some time after Marathon finishes, and then the Forerunners come in, then the humans get pushed back into primitive beings and spread across a few planets, then (after this new flood/forerunner) they become important because they were created as equals to the Forerunners by these "Precursor" and held something inside them that the Forerunners never could have, something necessary that could NEVER be lost, so they saved them (seeding earth to give us life once more) after the halos are fired.


and now after HALO 4 was revealed, the Forerunners could be back from their sleep?


Just want to know if anyone thinks this is possibly making any sense and see if anyone else thinks the same as I do.


Even IF the universes were the same.. The events of Marathon would happen 228 years AFTER the events of Halo 3. Go back and read the dates of the events.

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We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I am trying to understand how cryptum is involved with this.

  • 06.19.2011 2:12 PM PDT

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  • 06.19.2011 2:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: Placid Platypus
Sorry, try again. Master Chief is not in the Marathon universe. It takes more than the Marathon symbol on the side of a large ping pong ball to make where he is the Marathon universe. Besides, the colony-ship Marathon was not created from Mars (as you had suggested earlier), rather from Deimos, one of it's moons. The planet shown at the end of Halo 3 is not a colony-ship at all, and retains no similarities to the UESC Marathon besides.


If you can quote where I suggested that Marathon was created on Mars, I will actually give you everything I own. I will get your address, and pay to have all my belongings shipped there.

Anyway, I'm not sure what you're talking about with all this colony ship mumbo-jumbo. When did that enter this discussion? It's Mars. Just Mars.

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Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: Placid Platypus
Sorry, try again. Master Chief is not in the Marathon universe. It takes more than the Marathon symbol on the side of a large ping pong ball to make where he is the Marathon universe. Besides, the colony-ship Marathon was not created from Mars (as you had suggested earlier), rather from Deimos, one of it's moons. The planet shown at the end of Halo 3 is not a colony-ship at all, and retains no similarities to the UESC Marathon besides.


If you can quote where I suggested that Marathon was created on Mars, I will actually give you everything I own. I will get your address, and pay to have all my belongings shipped there.

Anyway, I'm not sure what you're talking about with all this colony ship mumbo-jumbo. When did that enter this discussion? It's Mars. Just Mars.


He's just trying to prove that he knows more about Marathon than you when im sure he actually read it from an earlier post. He's trying to seem like the "know it all troll", they are quite indigenous to online forums.

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Eh, this thread? Trying to copy Monitor117? I am disappoint, son.

Anyway, on topic: Answer is NO.

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Posted by: raganok99
Eh, this thread? Trying to copy Monitor117? I am disappoint, son.

Anyway, on topic: Answer is NO.


Haha, a lot of people try to be like me :P

But most of you already discovered that the only reason i made such a thread was to answer other's questions. Trust me when I say, I don't believe they are in the same universe, with my thread we as the bungie universe trolls already proved the theory wrong.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Bungie outright said Marathon and Halo do not take place in the same 'universe'.

This. And only this.

  • 06.19.2011 9:32 PM PDT

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Legally? No. Microsoft can't touch Marathon, actually; and it wouldn't be pretty if they tried.

In terms of lore?
Forerunner=/=Jjaro

Posted by: xXTheColossusXx
Just putting it out there, if humans existed a long time before our personal(Real Life) history began, than can we think that the humans that spread across galaxies before coming in contact with the Flood the first time, as well as the not so god like supreme being known as "Forerunners", could they have spawned the stories of Marathon?

I personably have not played the games, only thing I know about it I read from the Cortana Letters, but if the human/flood war(pre-Forerunner) started some time after Marathon finishes, and then the Forerunners come in, then the humans get pushed back into primitive beings and spread across a few planets, then (after this new flood/forerunner) they become important because they were created as equals to the Forerunners by these "Precursor" and held something inside them that the Forerunners never could have, something necessary that could NEVER be lost, so they saved them (seeding earth to give us life once more) after the halos are fired.


and now after HALO 4 was revealed, the Forerunners could be back from their sleep?


Just want to know if anyone thinks this is possibly making any sense and see if anyone else thinks the same as I do.

The Marathon series actually has its own timeline (check out MBO/story) and takes places after the 2500's.

[Edited on 06.19.2011 9:50 PM PDT]

  • 06.19.2011 9:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
If you can quote where I suggested that Marathon was created on Mars, I will actually give you everything I own.


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From the seventh post in this very thread. Bold added by myself for emphasis.

Posted by: dahuterschuter
When the Ark exploded it warped the cargo bay to the Marathon universe and the Legendary Planet is Marathon Mars.


You are saying here that the legendary planet is Marathon Mars. What you are implying is that the planet shown is the Marathon, a colony ship which was in fact created not from Mars, but Mars' second moon, Deimos. I was trying to steer the conversation in this way; specifically as to why you assumed the planet was "Marathon's Mars" when in fact that statement had absolutely no canonical basis as far as the Marathon universe is concerned.

If it wasn't evident in the paragraph above, the whole colony-ship tie-in was based off of your "Mars" statement. The UESC Marathon was a colony ship built (from Deimos if you recall) to travel to Tau Ceti. I was attempting to clear up any misconceptions you had regarding the Marathon and its appearance.

Posted by: Monitor117
He's just trying to prove that he knows more about Marathon than you when im sure he actually read it from an earlier post. He's trying to seem like the "know it all troll", they are quite indigenous to online forums.


Hardly. Whether you believe it or not, there are a good deal of us who were not too young when the Marathon games first came out. Frankly, I could care less how you perceive me, but a good many of the regular users of this forum know me and know how long I've had an affinity for the Marathon story. I really dislike anything resembling the claim of "I know more than you", as it is wholly arrogant (protip: read my forum signature), but I find it somewhat of an obligation to post in threads where common misconceptions of the Marathon universe are being bandied about as if they were hard facts.

Take this how you will, but again, realize Bungie fans go back farther than any Halo game.

  • 06.19.2011 11:48 PM PDT


Posted by: dahuterschuter
Halo and Marathon were already connected. When the Ark exploded it warped the cargo bay to the Marathon universe and the Legendary Planet is Marathon Mars.
The actual planet of Mars has little significance in the Marathon universe. In fact, I'd be surprised if more than a small number of people in the Underground knew its significance in the Marathon universe. Why would the ship from Halo end up there?

More importantly, what facts from either Marathon universe canon or Halo universe canon support this theory? Without supporting facts from the games, your assertion is little more than speculation and nothing short of delusion.

  • 06.20.2011 4:30 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Bungie outright said Marathon and Halo do not take place in the same 'universe'.

This^

  • 06.20.2011 5:36 AM PDT