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Subject: Just beat Marathon Durandal on xbox live, help me out a-bit.

Forge Master, Team player, Stratagizer, Role Player.

Is it just me? or is most of the game just looking for switches?

Im quite confused about some of the story. Perhaps i didnt read everything very well.

So the S'pht are slaves of the Phfor...

Something i did released the S'pht'kr who were not slaved. and then humans and S'pht lived happily ever after?

  • 06.20.2011 11:03 AM PDT

As an avid hater of Marathon, I'm not the guy to ask, however I'm sure Sardonic13 or Atom could help ya out.

You could always check out For Carnage Apply Within, I'm sure there's someone in there that could answer your Marathon questions (or confuse you some more!).

[Edited on 06.20.2011 11:08 AM PDT]

  • 06.20.2011 11:08 AM PDT

Forge Master, Team player, Stratagizer, Role Player.

How do you hate marathon? Unless you played it 17 years ago and it sucked compared to what elese there was.

  • 06.20.2011 11:11 AM PDT


Posted by: crabofhearts
How do you hate marathon? Unless you played it 17 years ago and it sucked compared to what elese there was.


I just do. Too much reading. I'm more of a Myth guy myself.

  • 06.20.2011 11:17 AM PDT

Forge Master, Team player, Stratagizer, Role Player.

But they are like 5 years apart. Everything back then was reading. Heck. Lots of games back then were nothing but reading! no graphics. Just text based rpgs like zork.

Thats like comparing Battlefield 1942(2004) to battlefield bad co 2 (2010).

Quite ignorant to judge something like that. I was 4 when marathon came out so i cant judge it at all.

[Edited on 06.20.2011 11:25 AM PDT]

  • 06.20.2011 11:22 AM PDT

Posted by: crabofhearts


Myth and Marathon are completely different genres. I'm not into old FPSs, they don't age well. Myth, on the other hand, is a unique experience that is plain awesome. So much variety and complexity in the multiplayer compared to boring old Marathon.

[Edited on 06.20.2011 11:27 AM PDT]

  • 06.20.2011 11:27 AM PDT

Forge Master, Team player, Stratagizer, Role Player.

Yea, because ITS OLD! You cant compare marathon to myth.

Its like "bah.. i hate horse drawn buggies, cars are far superior!"

Do you not get it?

Go ahead and say these graphics suck, i dare you

Vector Tanks

because when this game came out, it was the best.

[Edited on 06.20.2011 11:42 AM PDT]

  • 06.20.2011 11:39 AM PDT

Forge Master, Team player, Stratagizer, Role Player.

more ridiculas statements with that mindset.

"arg... effing record players suck! ipods are way better!"

"VHS is stupid, you dont have to rewind a dvd"

"muskets are crap, the Barret .50 cal sniper rifle is way more accurate"

"the new Cylons look wayy more realistic than the old Cylons"

"silent films BAH too much reading. Talkies are da bomb"

[Edited on 06.20.2011 11:51 AM PDT]

  • 06.20.2011 11:48 AM PDT

Posted by: crabofhearts


I think you're missing the point. You're saying I can't compare them because one's new and one's old. No.

They're both old. Their graphics are equally poor, at least in the eyes of anyone that's plays modern games. It's not about the graphics.

It's about the playstyle. I don't enjoy (and can't understand why anyone else would) running around hitting switches and reading pages of pixelated text to get the next part of the story. It doesn't make sense to me. There's plenty of visual novels I could read if I wanted that kind of experience.

And besides, I'm not comparing them as one's "better" than the other, Myth and Marathon hardly have a comparable playstyle anyway. One's an RTT and the other is an FPS. You can't really 'compare' them, I'm just saying Myth's the game I enjoy more.

And, while I'm taking the time, none of your comparisons even remotely work at demeaning anything I've said as both Myth and Marathon were released in the same era. I never once said that I prefered one because it was newer, or because it had better graphics, but rather that I enjoyed the playstyle of one over the other.

Either way, they're both indisputably (I guess not) great games, but Marathon just isn't (and trust me, I've tried) fun in my world.

[Edited on 06.20.2011 12:26 PM PDT]

  • 06.20.2011 12:16 PM PDT

"That's about all that can be said for plots, which anyway are just one thing after another, a what and a what and a what.

Now try how and why."


Posted by: crabofhearts
Is it just me? or is most of the game just looking for switches?



Well, yes. The game revolves around exploration. Notice that a good portion of the maps on require you to actually go to 20-30% of them.

Im quite confused about some of the story. Perhaps i didnt read everything very well.

You can thank freeverse for that. They didn't include anything to cover the events of Marathon 1.

So the S'pht are slaves of the Phfor...


Something i did released the S'pht'kr who were not slaved. and then humans and S'pht lived happily ever after?


You didn't release them so much as contact them. As for what happens afterwards, the S'pht and humanity spend the next several year in a war with the Pfhor that ends with them sacking the Pfhor homeworld. Afterwards, the S'pht seem to simply vanish.

By any chance did you stumble into the area with the secret ending terminal rather than the actual ending terminal? It contains messages from bungie staff members and you're guaranteed to be burned to death if you did. If so, you still have a bit left of the game.

  • 06.20.2011 12:20 PM PDT

Forge Master, Team player, Stratagizer, Role Player.

Yes i am saying you cant compare them because ones old.

Yes, they are both old. their graphics are NOT equaly poor at all. Marathon is using 2d plane graphics. Myth is using full 3d rigged polygon characters.

If Marathon had the capability to run full 3d rigged characters with hitboxes and full animation capabilitys it wouldnt be as bad. Heck, it would be the first "unreal" 1998 or "Quake"1996

If they had the processing power they could scrap all that "reading" and would able to put in actual dialuge or ingame animated cutscenes. Voice overs. you see??


  • 06.20.2011 12:36 PM PDT

For Carnage Apply Within

They think that they have pacified Ireland. They think that they have purchased half of us and intimidated the other half. They think that they have foreseen everything, think that they have provided against everything; but the fools, the fools, the fools! — they have left us our Fenian dead, and while Ireland holds these graves, Ireland unfree shall never be at peace
-Pádraig Anraí Mac Piarais

Posted by: Sigma617
Okay, OP disregard this Cromagnon.

He helped the OP by pointing him towards a place that he could get some help. Let's face it. Most people on this site wouldn't know the first thing about the Marathon storyline. And then clearly stated his personal opinion and this eejit of an OP started questioning him. How does that make him a "Cromagnon"? We're not even talking about the original. We're talking about a -blam!- attempt at remaking a game that does the original no justice.

  • 06.20.2011 12:42 PM PDT

Posted by: crabofhearts
If Marathon had the capability to run full 3d rigged characters with hitboxes and full animation capabilitys it wouldnt be as bad.


If you have to describe a game as "not being that bad", I guess that's the end of this.

In all seriousness, you're really hung up on the fact that I'm comparing the two games, when I'm not. I even said they can't really be compared. They're entirely different genres. I enjoy Myth over Marathon, and, for some reason this gets you really upset.

Let's just say, for your sake, that there are now in-game cutscenes and the -blam!- 3D graphics from Myth in Marathon. The game's "run and gun/point and shoot/push button" playstyle remains exactly the same. In fact, I'd say it has now lost the charm it had for many Marathon afficiandos, can't say I know many who want a graphical update of their favorite game.

Edit: And before you make another poorly though out comparison (COMPUTER VS CALCULATOR!!), I'm presenting the reasons I like one game over the other. Technically, sure, this is comparing. But you've got the idea that I'm saying "Graphically Myth is better. X Myth is better." I'm not trying to beat down your new favorite game (you should really get the trilogy on PC (or Mac)), but I'm presenting my (fairly logical) opinion.

[Edited on 06.20.2011 12:52 PM PDT]

  • 06.20.2011 12:48 PM PDT

For Carnage Apply Within

They think that they have pacified Ireland. They think that they have purchased half of us and intimidated the other half. They think that they have foreseen everything, think that they have provided against everything; but the fools, the fools, the fools! — they have left us our Fenian dead, and while Ireland holds these graves, Ireland unfree shall never be at peace
-Pádraig Anraí Mac Piarais

Posted by: crabofhearts
Yes i am saying you cant compare them because ones old.

Yes, they are both old. their graphics are NOT equaly poor at all. Marathon is using 2d plane graphics. Myth is using full 3d rigged polygon characters.

If Marathon had the capability to run full 3d rigged characters with hitboxes and full animation capabilitys it wouldnt be as bad. Heck, it would be the first "unreal" 1998 or "Quake"1996

If they had the processing power they could scrap all that "reading" and would able to put in actual dialuge or ingame animated cutscenes. Voice overs. you see??


Let me get this clear. Marathon 2: Durandal released for Mac OS in 1995 is old. Marathon Durandal for XBLA is not. (See above post)

HappyMeals is not talking about the graphics. Myth is just a better game. And just to help you, incase you don't quite get it this time as well. In our opinion.

  • 06.20.2011 12:50 PM PDT

For Carnage Apply Within

They think that they have pacified Ireland. They think that they have purchased half of us and intimidated the other half. They think that they have foreseen everything, think that they have provided against everything; but the fools, the fools, the fools! — they have left us our Fenian dead, and while Ireland holds these graves, Ireland unfree shall never be at peace
-Pádraig Anraí Mac Piarais

Posted by: HappyMeals

Yes. The reason Myth is so great is not because of its -blam!- graphics. It's because of its far superior gameplay. In my opinion.

  • 06.20.2011 12:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: HappyMeals

Posted by: crabofhearts
How do you hate marathon? Unless you played it 17 years ago and it sucked compared to what elese there was.


I just do. Too much reading. I'm more of a Myth guy myself.


You hate to read? Oh, I hate gamer culture.

  • 06.20.2011 12:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: crabofhearts
more ridiculas statements with that mindset.

"arg... effing record players suck! ipods are way better!"

"VHS is stupid, you dont have to rewind a dvd"

"muskets are crap, the Barret .50 cal sniper rifle is way more accurate"

"the new Cylons look wayy more realistic than the old Cylons"

"silent films BAH too much reading. Talkies are da bomb"


I'm pretty sure anyone can compare those things and not sound ridiculous.

An iPod IS better than a record player. Etc etc.

Sure, the record player was good before, but now the iPod is better. The fact that the record player is 40 years old doesn't change anything. The iPod is still better.

In this case, Myth > Marathon. It doesn't matter that Myth was release years afterwards. It's still better. IMO.

  • 06.20.2011 12:59 PM PDT

For Carnage Apply Within

They think that they have pacified Ireland. They think that they have purchased half of us and intimidated the other half. They think that they have foreseen everything, think that they have provided against everything; but the fools, the fools, the fools! — they have left us our Fenian dead, and while Ireland holds these graves, Ireland unfree shall never be at peace
-Pádraig Anraí Mac Piarais

Posted by: FleetAdmiralBob

Posted by: HappyMeals
Posted by: crabofhearts
How do you hate marathon? Unless you played it 17 years ago and it sucked compared to what elese there was.


I just do. Too much reading. I'm more of a Myth guy myself.


You hate to read? Oh, I hate gamer culture.
*Sigh* I read a book nearly every three-four weeks. I too hate the reading in Marathon. I just don't think reading pages upon pages of text fits into an FPS. It's personal opinion. How do you guys not seem to understand the concept of personal opinion?

  • 06.20.2011 1:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: Peter99Dineen
Posted by: FleetAdmiralBob
You hate to read? Oh, I hate gamer culture.

*Sigh* I read a book nearly every three-four weeks. I too hate the reading in Marathon. I just don't think reading pages upon pages of text fits into an FPS. It's personal opinion. How do you guys not seem to understand the concept of personal opinion?


As much as I usually disagree with Peter on this topic, I completely understand what he is saying.

While I quite enjoy the break from the carnage the terminals offer (not to mention those times when you are startled out of reading the terminal by a trooper you had no idea was there), and think they are a great device for advancing the story and providing canonical context, they can create (especially the more wordy terminals) significant breaks in the action. For me, this is a non-issue. Others may simply prefer their games to be more action-oriented.

[Edited on 06.20.2011 9:40 PM PDT]

  • 06.20.2011 1:24 PM PDT

Forge Master, Team player, Stratagizer, Role Player.

"better" isnt the point. But saying you "Hate" something is different.

My point to the idiots who say "halo 1 sucks" when they compare it to games like gears of war and cod 4.

Do you not see the point here?

you know. the FFF LITTLE KIDS who played never played halo 1 till it was on xbox 360 games on demand? and say "this game is boring and repetitive" you see what i mean? huhuhuhuh?

  • 06.20.2011 3:12 PM PDT

Leave the poor kid alone Happy. He just has some story questions. You didn't have to confuse him and completely derail the thread with your jaded, cynical outlook on Marathon. (Do check out FCAW though, we can help with Marathon questions.)

Posted by: crabofhearts
So the S'pht are slaves of the Phfor...

Something i did released the S'pht'kr who were not slaved. and then humans and S'pht lived happily ever after?
As others have said before me, yes this is the case.

Marathon 1 takes place on the colony spaceship Marathon. The Pfhor attack the colony with the goal of enslaving the humans inhabiting the Marathon. The S'pht are slaves to the Pfhor and help with the attack by taking control of computer systems and attempting to disable the Marathon's 3 artificial intelligences (Durandal, Tycho, and Leela). Through the course of the game you, as the Security Officer (SO), help Leela and Durandal combat the Pfhor and free the enslaved S'pht. At the game's conclusion, Durandal and the freed S'pht steal the Pfhor ship.

Marathon 2 takes place 17 years after Marathon 1. Durandal and the S'pht he freed have spent the 17 years searching for the S'pht homeworld (Lh'owon) in order to free the rest of the enslaved S'pht. Again you play as the SO, who was kidnapped by Durandal at the end of Marathon 1. During Marathon 2, Durandal and the SO research important events in the history of the S'pht. These include their defeat and enslavement by the Pfhor and the civil war which first divided all of the S'pht clans. Reuniting all of the S'pht clans is the only hope the S'pht and humanity have of defeating the Pfhor. However, one of the S'pht clans (the S'pht'Kr) disappeared during the S'pht civil war. So Durandal and the SO have to find a way to contact and bring back the S'pht'Kr and reunite all the clans of the S'pht. They are eventually successful in contacting the S'pht'Kr, who return and help to rout the Pfhor on Lh'owon.

The "happily ever after" is explained as a side note of Marathon 2's final screen.

This is an over-simplified explanation of the events of Marathon 1 and 2, but it is how the story plays out from the perspective of the S'pht. However it is far from complete. Durandal is hardly a benevolent emancipator seeking only to free the S'pht from slavery. He has his own agenda and, despite freeing the S'pht, uses them to further his own goals.

[Edited on 06.20.2011 3:34 PM PDT]

  • 06.20.2011 3:34 PM PDT

For Carnage Apply Within

They think that they have pacified Ireland. They think that they have purchased half of us and intimidated the other half. They think that they have foreseen everything, think that they have provided against everything; but the fools, the fools, the fools! — they have left us our Fenian dead, and while Ireland holds these graves, Ireland unfree shall never be at peace
-Pádraig Anraí Mac Piarais

Posted by: crabofhearts
"better" isnt the point. But saying you "Hate" something is different.

My point to the idiots who say "halo 1 sucks" when they compare it to games like gears of war and cod 4.

Do you not see the point here?

you know. the FFF LITTLE KIDS who played never played halo 1 till it was on xbox 360 games on demand? and say "this game is boring and repetitive" you see what i mean? huhuhuhuh?
I'm sorry. I will compare Halo CE, Myth, and Marathon to modern games. That's exactly what they're up against. And if you think they should be given special treatment just because they're old and they're in any way inferior because of their age, then you're sorely missing out on actually enjoying old games just because they're fun. And Halo CE is anything but "boring and repetitive". It's an enjoyable game. I just don't like Marathon. It's a matter of personal preference. Get over it. And like Sard said, get back on topic.

Also. You know what FFF means, don't you? :| Please don't use that in the same sentence as "little kids".

[Edited on 06.20.2011 4:32 PM PDT]

  • 06.20.2011 4:31 PM PDT

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  • 06.20.2011 6:11 PM PDT