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Subject: Reach fixed the canon

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  • 06.20.2011 3:10 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

I agree, while the Fall of Reach was a good read, I just can't buy the whole Zerg Rush and fall in an hour thing.

Oh yeah, inb4flames.

  • 06.20.2011 3:12 PM PDT

That has nothing to do with canon. That's just disliking how X was accomplished.

Fall of Reach was perfectly fine. Humans protected Reach with SMACs until the Covenant infiltrated form the north and knocked out the plants that powered the the SMACs.

If anything, Halo: Reach doesn't make sense. The Covenant setting up camps on Reach? How the hell did that go unnoticed?

And where were the critical space battles that defined the fate of Reach?

[Edited on 06.20.2011 3:17 PM PDT]

  • 06.20.2011 3:15 PM PDT

3 years and only 1 ban, try harder next time noobs.


Posted by: fxnavarro
The largest Military Base being invaded and falling in 1 day without a fight


Without a fight? Did you read First Strike or Fall of Reach?

  • 06.20.2011 3:18 PM PDT

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I find Cannon pointless, just away to occupy people who like that sort of thing's time.
Though what I don't like more than that, is cannon from books that are not made by the creators of the universe - Bungie

  • 06.20.2011 3:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: bat out of h3ll
That has nothing to do with canon. That's just disliking how X was accomplished.

Fall of Reach was perfectly fine. Humans protected Reach with SMACs until the Covenant infiltrated form the north and knocked out the plants that powered the the SMACs.

If anything, Halo: Reach doesn't make sense. The Covenant setting up camps on Reach? How the hell did that go unnoticed?

And where were the critical space battles that defined the fate of Reach?


This.

The point of Reach falling in a day was supposed to convey just how I'll-equipped humanity was to defeat the Covenant.

Dragging the battle out over a month was so unnecessary it's almost mind boggling at how complex the moronic logic was behind it. I could liken this to the battle between Obi Wan and Analin in RotS, everyone was excited about the build up but the fight lasted like 20 minutes and actually became boring because it was dragged out for so long. Then in ANH the same battle lasts 5 minutes and is more effective at conveying the desired message.

The month long battle was over-indulgence in a story that meant nothing. There wasn't even a plot until the end of The Package. Everything about the story and the way it was told was utter drivel and most of it made no sense. How could the Spires have been set up without being noticed? What about the LNoS being cloaked? Hey idiots, Covenant cloaking systems give off large amounts of heat, anyone got any thermal goggles? How about them scanning outposts like Fermion RSO? Was everyone drunk not to have noticed:
1) A 27km long Covenant ship drop out of slipspace by your main military hub?
2) Heat spikes in the Vierry Territory as a result of said ship resting by the planet?

  • 06.20.2011 3:31 PM PDT

Books or no books, Halo: Reach's campaign is crap. One of the worst attempts at coming full-circle I've ever seen.

  • 06.20.2011 3:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dustin 6047
It's not physically possible for the Covenant to glass an entire planet in a day while being fired upon by the second largest fleet assembled. There are also a lot of other battles and skirmishes that happened that we don't know of simply because it was so big. In WWII, it took the allies years to take back Europe from the -blam!-s.


They didn't glass the whole planet in a day, the novel states the poles and several cities were glassed. The Covenant invaded with over 300 ships (750 in the rerelease), there's no way the UNSC could stand against that.

You cannot compare fictional events to what happened in real life as a basis for arguing the realism of the battle. The Allies didn't have lasers.

  • 06.20.2011 3:52 PM PDT


Posted by: bat out of h3ll
That has nothing to do with canon. That's just disliking how X was accomplished.

Fall of Reach was perfectly fine. Humans protected Reach with SMACs until the Covenant infiltrated form the north and knocked out the plants that powered the the SMACs.

If anything, Halo: Reach doesn't make sense. The Covenant setting up camps on Reach? How the hell did that go unnoticed?

And where were the critical space battles that defined the fate of Reach?


Okay, answer these things.

A: Dropships were launched to the poles. UNSC fired and destroyed a massive chunk of them.
B: Within 2-3 hours, those remaining dropships deployed overwhelming forces successfully and destroyed the HEAVIEST guarded locations on Reach (High command, and the generators).
C: UNSC Air Force did not do a thing to stop them, those skyhawks with 4 50mm cannons? Stayed landed at base apparently.
D: I've heard (from a book supporter no less) a spirit going max in atmosphere speed would take roughly 7 hours to travel from the pole to the equator.

Oh, and apparently there was no AA guns on Reach either.

  • 06.20.2011 3:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dustin 6047

Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: Dustin 6047
It's not physically possible for the Covenant to glass an entire planet in a day while being fired upon by the second largest fleet assembled. There are also a lot of other battles and skirmishes that happened that we don't know of simply because it was so big. In WWII, it took the allies years to take back Europe from the -blam!-s.


They didn't glass the whole planet in a day, the novel states the poles and several cities were glassed. The Covenant invaded with over 300 ships (750 in the rerelease), there's no way the UNSC could stand against that.

You cannot compare fictional events to what happened in real life as a basis for arguing the realism of the battle. The Allies didn't have lasers.


Isn't 750 a typo?


I'm not too sure. It was roughy 315 in the original, 750 is a bit of an odd typo.

  • 06.20.2011 3:58 PM PDT

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You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

Posted by: fxnavarro
without a fight
Lol'd. You've clearly never read First Strike.

The Covenant suffered thousands of casualties.

  • 06.20.2011 4:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
I'm not too sure. It was roughy 315 in the original, 750 is a bit of an odd typo.

If it was originally 750+ ships, then I'd understand. But not 315.

  • 06.20.2011 4:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ajw34307
I'm not too sure. It was roughy 315 in the original, 750 is a bit of an odd typo.

If it was originally 750+ ships, then I'd understand. But not 315.


315 is still a substantial amount of ships. The UNSC only defeated the Covenant when they outnumbered them 3 to 1, so they'd need over 900 ships to have a chance at winning.

  • 06.20.2011 4:08 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ajw34307
I'm not too sure. It was roughy 315 in the original, 750 is a bit of an odd typo.

If it was originally 750+ ships, then I'd understand. But not 315.


315 is still a substantial amount of ships. The UNSC only defeated the Covenant when they outnumbered them 3 to 1, so they'd need over 900 ships to have a chance at winning.

Still, I'd expect the Reach homefleet and the OPDs to put up more of a fight. That and the groundside battles was a little underwhelming like Daefaron said.

  • 06.20.2011 4:10 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ajw34307
I'm not too sure. It was roughy 315 in the original, 750 is a bit of an odd typo.

If it was originally 750+ ships, then I'd understand. But not 315.


315 is still a substantial amount of ships. The UNSC only defeated the Covenant when they outnumbered them 3 to 1, so they'd need over 900 ships to have a chance at winning.

Still, I'd expect the Reach homefleet and the OPDs to put up more of a fight. That and the groundside battles was a little underwhelming like Daefaron said.


More like nonexistent....

The most defense we heard about in the book versions was the Spartans defending the one generator complex, and that the marines had been bombed while flanking the Covenant. Other then that we just heard "OVERRUNNING US!" despite UNSC's ground superiority in battles.

  • 06.20.2011 4:12 PM PDT

Well if the actual campaign was more big and grand then I would forgive it, bt Reach's campaing was a huge let down.

  • 06.20.2011 4:17 PM PDT
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well, cept reach turned the military planet, the most largely protected planet, and the most important planet to the UNSC (besides earth) into some rustic farmland with an urban city. A military planet decimated in one day makes much more sense than a farm planet being decimated over a month's time.

  • 06.20.2011 4:18 PM PDT

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