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Subject: Reach fixed the canon

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Posted by: Sparty Boy 117
well, cept reach turned the military planet, the most largely protected planet, and the most important planet to the UNSC (besides earth) into some rustic farmland with an urban city. A military planet decimated in one day makes much more sense than a farm planet being decimated over a month's time.

Yes, because we didn't go to every square inch of the planet, it's just a rustic farmworld. Such great logic.

  • 06.20.2011 4:22 PM PDT


Posted by: Sparty Boy 117
well, cept reach turned the military planet, the most largely protected planet, and the most important planet to the UNSC (besides earth) into some rustic farmland with an urban city. A military planet decimated in one day makes much more sense than a farm planet being decimated over a month's time.


Somebody didn't read the book.

I'm fairly sure it was pretty dang clear the bulk of Reach's surface was wilderness.

Military/most guarded planet doesn't mean 100% of the surface is military bases. If that was true, then it falling in 2-3 hours is even more ludicrous.

  • 06.20.2011 4:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: Dustin 6047
Bottom line:

It was the story of Noble team, not Reach. That's why we don't see the space battles and the huge skirmishes (excluding Tip of the Spear).

Yeah, and I remembered Bungie saying they wanted to capture the essence of a big planet under siege, in other words, an epic battle. We didn't get that. Instead, we got a poor attempt to make it feel like there are battles going around you.

  • 06.20.2011 4:23 PM PDT

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Funny, if Humanity was so helpless against the Covenant, then how did they managed to survive a 27 years old war? Covenant were always defeated on the ground, so it makes no sense for Reach which is pretty much the prime of Humanities military to lose against them.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Funny, if Humanity was so helpless against the Covenant, then how did they managed to survive a 27 years old war? Covenant were always defeated on the ground, so it makes no sense for Reach which is pretty much the prime of Humanities military to lose against them.

Because the Covenant had to find our worlds, which only became harder due to the Cole Protocol. Furthermore, if it weren't for a few select victories we would have lost (Admiral Cole, NOVA bomb, Prometheus and Torpedo).

  • 06.20.2011 4:42 PM PDT

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Because the humans had 800 worlds.
800.

  • 06.20.2011 4:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan 100
Because the humans had 800 worlds.
800.


That has been disproved ever since a long time ago.

  • 06.20.2011 4:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan 100
Because the humans had 800 worlds.
800.


That has been disproved ever since a long time ago.

The encyclopedia disagrees.

  • 06.20.2011 4:47 PM PDT


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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Funny, if Humanity was so helpless against the Covenant, then how did they managed to survive a 27 years old war? Covenant were always defeated on the ground, so it makes no sense for Reach which is pretty much the prime of Humanities military to lose against them.

Because the Covenant had to find our worlds, which only became harder due to the Cole Protocol. Furthermore, if it weren't for a few select victories we would have lost (Admiral Cole, NOVA bomb, Prometheus and Torpedo).


Yet the Covenant had devices that actually located humans...

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Funny, if Humanity was so helpless against the Covenant, then how did they managed to survive a 27 years old war? Covenant were always defeated on the ground, so it makes no sense for Reach which is pretty much the prime of Humanities military to lose against them.

Because the Covenant had to find our worlds, which only became harder due to the Cole Protocol. Furthermore, if it weren't for a few select victories we would have lost (Admiral Cole, NOVA bomb, Prometheus and Torpedo).


Yet the Covenant had devices that actually located humans...

Didn't those only work up until 2535, when Cole Protocol became mandatory?

  • 06.20.2011 4:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan 100
Because the humans had 800 worlds.
800.


That has been disproved ever since a long time ago.

The encyclopedia disagrees.


Joseph Staten disagrees with the encyclopedia.

Bungie doesn't like to retcon (i.e., deliberately change previously established facts), but sometimes it's necessary. Take for example the issue of the number of human worlds. The truth about the "800+" number? That was made up by a non-Bungie employee and never approved by us before the Halo: CE promotional website went live.

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Posted by: Spartan 100
Because the humans had 800 worlds.
800.


That has been disproved ever since a long time ago.

The encyclopedia disagrees.


Joseph Staten disagrees with the encyclopedia.

Bungie doesn't like to retcon (i.e., deliberately change previously established facts), but sometimes it's necessary. Take for example the issue of the number of human worlds. The truth about the "800+" number? That was made up by a non-Bungie employee and never approved by us before the Halo: CE promotional website went live.

343 industries disagrees with Staten, therefor, there are over 800 worlds in there.

  • 06.20.2011 4:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan 100

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: Spartan 100
Because the humans had 800 worlds.
800.


That has been disproved ever since a long time ago.

The encyclopedia disagrees.


Joseph Staten disagrees with the encyclopedia.

Bungie doesn't like to retcon (i.e., deliberately change previously established facts), but sometimes it's necessary. Take for example the issue of the number of human worlds. The truth about the "800+" number? That was made up by a non-Bungie employee and never approved by us before the Halo: CE promotional website went live.

343 industries disagrees with Staten, therefor, there are over 800 worlds in there.


Care to post a quote?

  • 06.20.2011 4:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan 100
Because the humans had 800 worlds.
800.

That has been disproved ever since a long time ago.

That 800 number was never canonical. MaximumFear's thread has the Bungie statement that says that.

And the Encyclopaedia cannot be trusted. If it contradicts some previously established fact then it is probably wrong.

  • 06.20.2011 4:57 PM PDT

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It became canonical, now I have to go buy some protection for tomorow.

  • 06.20.2011 5:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan 100
It became canonical, now I have to go buy some protection for tomorow.


Official quote please, or else it didn't happen.

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Exactly

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  • 06.20.2011 5:31 PM PDT
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It doesn't matter since this Halo: Reach's campaign is terrible and it has far too many errors that can't be fixed as such: Reach was supposed to be military planet, most heavily defended fortress than any worlds ever. PoA somehow manage to fly in atmosphere and lifting off the ground and flying to space which it would require insane amounts of energy to do that, and I don't think that simple rockets were enough to do that.

A month's span of battle in "farmland" makes no sense since it was supposed to fall in a day due to massive covenant fleet with FAR, FAR superior technology. Look, one or two plasma torpedo is enough to take out a frigate and even destroyers as well as confirmed by Lieutenant Jersger (First strike), also confirmed by Commander Keyes during battle over Sigma Octanus VI. At battle of Reach, once a second volley of Covenant fleet fired back, UNSC already lost nearly 60% of their fleet in matter of minutes. To win this battle, they would need about 400 to 500 ships to beat 314 ships.

Sure, they had formidable defenses such as ODPs. I will admit that they did dish out heavy casualties on Covenant side. But it was mere futile attempt since Reach was supposed to fall.

Now, on supercarrier, their size is nearly 27 kilometers long, right? It is impossible to entirely cloak the ship, especially with massive thermal signatures would cause UNSC's relay stations/detectors go blaring and a fleet would quickly respond with brute force. (MAC volley first, then archer missiles then final punch, nuke.)

All right, can you address those errors? If so, explain. Please, do not use Halsey's Journal because it only fixed miniscule errors.

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  • 06.20.2011 5:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: raganok99
A month's span of battle in "farmland" makes no sense since it was supposed to fall in a day due to massive covenant fleet with FAR, FAR superior technology.

So one battle on farmland where the Visegrad Relay was, scouting and fighting in a place, Viery, where industrial companies are harvesting and producing goods, battles at ONI SWORD Base, battles at the Sabre Launch Facility, battle in space, battles in New Alexandria, and battle to and at a ship breaking yard equals "a month long battle on farmland"?

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  • 06.20.2011 5:43 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

No. Fall of Reach's story was much better than Reach's. The month long campaign to save the planet just doesn't seem realistic.

  • 06.20.2011 5:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan 100
It became canonical, now I have to go buy some protection for tomorow.

No it is not. 800 colonies makes no sense. It is a ridiculous number.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: raganok99
A month's span of battle in "farmland" makes no sense since it was supposed to fall in a day due to massive covenant fleet with FAR, FAR superior technology.

So one battle on farmland where the Visegrad Relay, scouting and fighting in a place, Viery, where industrial companies are harvesting and producing goods, battles at ONI SWORD Base, battles at the Sabre Launch Facility, battle in space, battles in New Alexandria, and battle to and at a ship breaking yard equals "a month long battle on farmland"?


Frankly, those dates doesn't add up and it messes up anything with novels. This is only mere addition to my arguments.

It was supposed to be attacked in August 30th, 2552. Not before that. And, it is true that after space battle was over in a hour to two, maybe more depending on resistance of remaining UNSC ships? Ground battles may lasted a bit longer, much as a week to two before John comes back and pick up remaining Spartans, Dr. Halsey and Vice Admiral Whitcomb with some rag tag survivors from Halo ring.

Let's face it, a month-long battle in Reach sounds so unrealistic, and personally, I like tFoR's version of it because it shows that how truly desperate for Humans during war against the Covenant. Meh, this Reach is more like child's play compared to the novel version.

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  • 06.20.2011 5:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: raganok99
A month's span of battle in "farmland" makes no sense since it was supposed to fall in a day due to massive covenant fleet with FAR, FAR superior technology.

So one battle on farmland where the Visegrad Relay, scouting and fighting in a place, Viery, where industrial companies are harvesting and producing goods, battles at ONI SWORD Base, battles at the Sabre Launch Facility, battle in space, battles in New Alexandria, and battle to and at a ship breaking yard equals "a month long battle on farmland"?


Frankly, those dates doesn't add up and it messes up anything with novels. This is only mere addition to my arguments.

It was supposed to be attacked in August 30th, 2552. Not before that. And, it is true that after space battle was over in a hour to two, maybe more depending on resistance of remaining UNSC ships? Ground battles may lasted a bit longer, much as a week to two before John comes back and pick up remaining Spartans, Dr. Halsey and Vice Admiral Whitcomb with some rag tag survivors from Halo ring.


You seem to have missed the point of my reply. Your other portions make sense, except for the month long battle on farmland crack.

  • 06.20.2011 5:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: raganok99

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Posted by: raganok99
A month's span of battle in "farmland" makes no sense since it was supposed to fall in a day due to massive covenant fleet with FAR, FAR superior technology.

So one battle on farmland where the Visegrad Relay, scouting and fighting in a place, Viery, where industrial companies are harvesting and producing goods, battles at ONI SWORD Base, battles at the Sabre Launch Facility, battle in space, battles in New Alexandria, and battle to and at a ship breaking yard equals "a month long battle on farmland"?


Frankly, those dates doesn't add up and it messes up anything with novels. This is only mere addition to my arguments.

It was supposed to be attacked in August 30th, 2552. Not before that. And, it is true that after space battle was over in a hour to two, maybe more depending on resistance of remaining UNSC ships? Ground battles may lasted a bit longer, much as a week to two before John comes back and pick up remaining Spartans, Dr. Halsey and Vice Admiral Whitcomb with some rag tag survivors from Halo ring.


You seem to have missed the point of my reply. Your other portions make sense, except for the month long battle on farmland crack.


Well, it was a month long since it started in July 24th and ended in August 30th. It is perfectly 30 days of battle in between July 24th to August 30th.

And, I edited my previous post, I added one more thing about "farmland" crack relating with date and explaining how it is unrealistic. Go look it up again. (This is merely friendly suggestion)

  • 06.20.2011 6:00 PM PDT

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