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Subject: Reach fixed the canon


Posted by: raganok99
Well, it was a month long since it started in July 24th and ended in August 30th. It is perfectly 30 days of battle in between July 24th to August 30th.

And, I edited my previous post, I added one more thing about "farmland" crack relating with date and explaining how it is unrealistic. Go look it up again. (This is merely friendly suggestion)


Battle didn't start on July 24th. It started when the LNOS was destroyed. Before that was skirmishes.

Though for the generators and High command falling in hours, I give you this to reply to.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Okay, answer these things.

A: Dropships were launched to the poles. UNSC fired and destroyed a massive chunk of them.
B: Within 2-3 hours, those remaining dropships somehow regrouped completely and effectively(figured out what they had) anddeployed overwhelming forces successfully and destroyed the HEAVIEST guarded locations on Reach (High command, and the generators). *Note, phantoms and spirits. Meaning the heaviest armor support was wraith tanks, and not scarabs.*
C: UNSC Air Force did not do a thing to stop them, those skyhawks with 4 50mm cannons? Stayed landed at base apparently.
D: I've heard (from a book supporter no less) a spirit going max in atmosphere speed would take roughly 7 hours to travel from the pole to the equator.

Oh, and apparently there was no AA guns on Reach either.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Okay, answer these things.

A: Dropships were launched to the poles. UNSC fired and destroyed a massive chunk of them.
B: Within 2-3 hours, those remaining dropships somehow regrouped completely and effectively(figured out what they had) anddeployed overwhelming forces successfully and destroyed the HEAVIEST guarded locations on Reach (High command, and the generators). *Note, phantoms and spirits. Meaning the heaviest armor support was wraith tanks, and not scarabs.*
C: UNSC Air Force did not do a thing to stop them, those skyhawks with 4 50mm cannons? Stayed landed at base apparently.
D: I've heard (from a book supporter no less) a spirit going max in atmosphere speed would take roughly 7 hours to travel from the pole to the equator.

Oh, and apparently there was no AA guns on Reach either.[/quote]


You forget one thing, there is possible that Covenant Fleet may fired more salvos of plasma torpedoes that skimmed past the defense fleet and hit numerous UNSC bases, potentially weakening their defensive capabilities severely. There was probably hundreds of troop transports with banshee escorts. Sure, UNSC may fought hard, but it was futile and you do know that Elites such as Zealot or higher class can command entire armies efficiently and able to take out the generator bases.

It would require some explanations on how dropships able to travel from somewhere else to the poles in a hour to few hours since somebody said it would take seven hours due to their maximum speed. It's possible that they sent corvettes in to cover the ground and able to deploy its forces closer to poles?

Uh, there is AA guns on Reach and like I said, it was more likely to be destroyed by strays of plasma torpedoes that went past the defense fleet. See my first post for this.

And some folks may made mistake on reading that remaining covenant fleet able to glass entire planet in a day, it meant that it was already lost in a day. In calculations, even with over 300 ships, it would require them 30 years to glass entire Reach. Also, they figured that they didn't need to glass much since glassing small area to large area can have devastating effects on biosphere and environment as well.

[Edited on 06.20.2011 6:46 PM PDT]

  • 06.20.2011 6:39 PM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

Kid, read the book and you'll realize just how wrong you are.

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Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Kid, read the book and you'll realize just how wrong you are.


Excuse me, sir. It was forwarded to me or OP?

If it is, then I have read the tFoR version, even now I have it in my hands.

  • 06.20.2011 6:44 PM PDT

Um, I just checked. HUNDREDS. Not thousands of dropships got to the planet.

0620 Hours: Most of the Covenant fleet retreats from the system after deploying more dropships toward the surface. The UNSC fleet fires on the ships, destroying many although hundreds still land on Reach.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Um, I just checked. HUNDREDS. Not thousands of dropships got to the planet.

0620 Hours: Most of the Covenant fleet retreats from the system after deploying more dropships toward the surface. The UNSC fleet fires on the ships, destroying many although hundreds still land on Reach.


Relax. I realized my error regarding on numbers of troop transports in my post and quickly edited it.

[Edited on 06.20.2011 6:48 PM PDT]

  • 06.20.2011 6:47 PM PDT

Still, they make no mention of any plasma torpedoes hitting the planet (Even then, they wouldn't last. plasma torpedoes launched at the AJ in first strike got dissipated due to trying to enter the atmosphere of the gas giant if I remember right.)

Even then, how did they, without any real heavy armor support(aka, scarabs) take out heavily(or should have been) fortified positions with the UNSC dug in and ready within a very, very short period of time. What is the chances any 'stray' plasma torpedoes, if they even got through the atmosphere, striking all the UNSC air force bases?

I mean, the UNSC air force had this number Total Air Assets: 11,050 I'm fairly sure they could have, and frankly should have wiped the floor with those drop ships, or at least taken out a major chunk. Even if they had banshee escorts (which we had never seen a banshee go from atmosphere to space, or the other way.)

  • 06.20.2011 6:53 PM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

Posted by: raganok99
Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Kid, read the book and you'll realize just how wrong you are.


Excuse me, sir. It was forwarded to me or OP?

If it is, then I have read the tFoR version, even now I have it in my hands.
I was referring to the OP.

  • 06.20.2011 7:09 PM PDT


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Posted by: fxnavarro
The largest Military Base being invaded and falling in 1 day without a fight


Without a fight? Did you read First Strike or Fall of Reach?

Yes I read them. When I said without a fight I meant they couldn't even hold out for a day. That is also illogical on its own because how could the UNSC fleet arrive in under 24 hours from all over the colonies? Human slipspace was unreliable in terms of destination.


Reach requested reinforcements from the closest colonies, not all of them.

I find the Fall of Reach book better. The entire -blam!- point of the book was to show how royally screwed we were, and to make the discovery of Halo tht much more meaningful. It was SUPPOSED to be a Pearl Harbor: sudden, devestating and quick.

People need to realize that the UNSC was powerless to stand against the Covenant. Every single battle involving a planet, we lost save for Octanus IV, every single one. What victories we did achieve we achieved with disgusting losses numbering in the thousands, not to mention the loss of ships and hardware.

I get the feeling people's image of the war has been warped by the depiction of it in game, that the Covies were easily killed and that it was just another war we happened to be losing. We could not win the war. We could only run.

TFoR depicted that perfectly, with Reach being no different then any other planet in the eyes of the Covies. Then the game came in and ruined what made the battle a disaster.

It was also riddled with more plot holes, in canon and internal, that are laughable.

1) Why would the UNSC launch a full frontal assault on a heavily defended position without ANY artillery support?

2) Why would 6 save himself when Jorge, being an S-II, is much more valuable?

3) How is it Noble 6 got Keyes to find Halo? Is Sigma Octanus IV voided now? Well that means a huge chunk in the story is also voided.

I could seriously go on. It was a good game on its own, but as a Halo game is was an insult to the series.

  • 06.20.2011 7:28 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
2) Why would 6 save himself when Jorge, being an S-II, is much more valuable?

3) How is it Noble 6 got Keyes to find Halo? Is Sigma Octanus IV voided now? Well that means a huge chunk in the story is also voided.

I could seriously go on. It was a good game on its own, but as a Halo game is was an insult to the series.


You act as if JORGE gave six a choice.

Also, the Cortana fragment may have simply given the rest of the information needed to find halo, not all of it. In no way does it void Sigma Octanus.

I think people forget that out of ALL the human planets, EARTH and REACH were the only two that were READY for the Covenant to arrive. Seriously, look at my points about the ground battle at tell me that makes perfect sense for a stronghold.

  • 06.20.2011 7:32 PM PDT

According to Halo: Reach, Reach was a defenseless farming colony, not the center of the UNSC's military power.

At least, that's how they made it seem.

Fixed my buns.

  • 06.20.2011 7:37 PM PDT


Posted by: Wazooty
According to Halo: Reach, Reach was a defenseless farming colony, not the center of the UNSC's military power.

At least, that's how they made it seem.

Fixed my buns.


To me, they made Reach how it was described in the book. Mostly wilderness. And if anybody complains about "There was no super macs!" The book outright describes them as being in a tight formation on ONE side of the planet.

  • 06.20.2011 7:45 PM PDT


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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Funny, if Humanity was so helpless against the Covenant, then how did they managed to survive a 27 years old war? Covenant were always defeated on the ground, so it makes no sense for Reach which is pretty much the prime of Humanities military to lose against them.

Because the Covenant had to find our worlds, which only became harder due to the Cole Protocol. Furthermore, if it weren't for a few select victories we would have lost (Admiral Cole, NOVA bomb, Prometheus and Torpedo).


Yet the Covenant had devices that actually located humans...

Didn't those only work up until 2535, when Cole Protocol became mandatory?


No, not really, I don't see what the Cole Protocol would have to do with the Covenant's Luminaries. The Cole Protocol stopped them from following UNSC ships back to the colonies or other UNSC strongholds...it wouldn't have any affect on the Luminaries at all which is what the Covenant used to find Forerunner artifacts and what labeled humans as Reclaimers, a glyph that was also used to mark Forerunner artifacts. A Luminary is what led to the war in the first place as it is is what detected Harvest.

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