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Posted by: VenaticalLeaf42
if you read the novel you will learn precursor technology is based on netrul phsyics which is like the force which means
their aftifacts were and were destroyed by the halo array


if you read the disclaimer you will see i already covered that.

I love how you can tell who doesn't read the post and randomly comes in a thread.

  • 06.21.2011 11:07 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101

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What I want to know is if the precursors really created the flood


nah, from what we know the ships the flood came on were nothing like precursor ships



To use an age old saying: thats what they want you to believe.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: DESTROYER CGT
What I want to know is if the precursors really created the flood


nah, from what we know the ships the flood came on were nothing like precursor ships



To use an age old saying: thats what they want you to believe.


just like people want to believe we are fighting forerunners in halo 4, humans and forerunners are the same, and the ending planet is onxy or will connect to the dyson sphere?

right.

  • 06.21.2011 11:16 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: DESTROYER CGT
What I want to know is if the precursors really created the flood


nah, from what we know the ships the flood came on were nothing like precursor ships



To use an age old saying: thats what they want you to believe.


just like people want to believe we are fighting forerunners in halo 4, humans and forerunners are the same, and the ending planet is onxy or will connect to the dyson sphere?

right.


Who is to say the Precursors didn't use "faked" ships to trick the Forerunners into believing this was from another race, not related to their ancient enemies, and would thusly be less tempted to destroy them? Its like a Trojan Horse: at what first seems like an innocent gift, turns into a drastic weapon.

And the first rule of a Trojan Horse: desguise it as something else to smother any doubt.

  • 06.21.2011 11:20 AM PDT


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Posted by: grey101
before anybody tries to say "they were destroyed by halo fire" they were only destroyed because of being on a certain tuning, which i doubt is the same tuning that was used during the galactic wipeout

They were not on a certain tuning for precursor technology. Precursor technology works on neural physics, so the "tune" on the halos that destroy sentient life also destroy precursor technology.


bornstellers father clearly says it was impossible for "that" (prisoner to be broken free, ruins destroyed) with the tuning he had put it on. i can get a quote if you like.

Bornstellar's father didn't know for sure what they were doing, and they were trying to kill the prisoner, not release it.

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: DESTROYER CGT
What I want to know is if the precursors really created the flood


nah, from what we know the ships the flood came on were nothing like precursor ships



To use an age old saying: thats what they want you to believe.


just like people want to believe we are fighting forerunners in halo 4, humans and forerunners are the same, and the ending planet is onxy or will connect to the dyson sphere?

right.


Who is to say the Precursors didn't use "faked" ships to trick the Forerunners into believing this was from another race, not related to their ancient enemies, and would thusly be less tempted to destroy them? Its like a Trojan Horse: at what first seems like an innocent gift, turns into a drastic weapon.

And the first rule of a Trojan Horse: desguise it as something else to smother any doubt.


i am completely sorry but that is the most unintelligent thing i have ever heard you say. why would the precursors (if they even did all of that) go out of there way to do that? not to mention it is hard to build something and make it look like you didn't build it.

seeing how everybody is predicting the same thing (yet complain about halo being too predictable) it is obvious that greg (who has been informed of what we think) isn't going to do that, its far too easy to think of.

it is just far too predictable which is the main reason it is ruled out.

[Edited on 06.21.2011 11:36 AM PDT]

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Posted by: grey101
before anybody tries to say "they were destroyed by halo fire" they were only destroyed because of being on a certain tuning, which i doubt is the same tuning that was used during the galactic wipeout

They were not on a certain tuning for precursor technology. Precursor technology works on neural physics, so the "tune" on the halos that destroy sentient life also destroy precursor technology.


bornstellers father clearly says it was impossible for "that" (prisoner to be broken free, ruins destroyed) with the tuning he had put it on. i can get a quote if you like.

Bornstellar's father didn't know for sure what they were doing, and they were trying to kill the prisoner, not release it.

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Posted by: grey101

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Posted by: grey101
before anybody tries to say "they were destroyed by halo fire" they were only destroyed because of being on a certain tuning, which i doubt is the same tuning that was used during the galactic wipeout

They were not on a certain tuning for precursor technology. Precursor technology works on neural physics, so the "tune" on the halos that destroy sentient life also destroy precursor technology.


bornstellers father clearly says it was impossible for "that" (prisoner to be broken free, ruins destroyed) with the tuning he had put it on. i can get a quote if you like.

Bornstellar's father didn't know for sure what they were doing, and they were trying to kill the prisoner, not release it.
your posts are starting to drift from the topic.

he didn't know what they were doing but he knew what the halo should have been doing since he created it.

" that was never a possibility in my design, they changed its tuning. It's the negation of neural physics, far beyond..." - page 249


and mendicant bias goal was to free the prisoner *cough gravemind* read the terminals.

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  • 06.21.2011 11:35 AM PDT

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you guys are putting your focusing in the wrong direction. WHYdo you just assume MC is going to fight Precursors or Forerunners in Halo 4? Why is he going to just crash land some where and start -blam!- shiat up for no reason? Will this even be a FPS? Also Ancient Evil doesn't mean its not the flood or Adolf Hitler for that matter

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Posted by: EMANI5
you guys are putting your focusing in the wrong direction. WHYdo you just assume MC is going to fight Precursors or Forerunners in Halo 4? Why is he going to just crash land some where and start -blam!- shiat up for no reason? Will this even be a FPS? Also Ancient Evil doesn't mean its not the flood or Adolf Hitler for that matter


The flood were found on Ancient ships halo 4 will focuse on an Ancient evil.

people can use all sorts of circular logic and most easiest ideas of the plot other than it might be the antithesis to the precursors.

seewhatididthere?

  • 06.21.2011 11:43 AM PDT

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The Forunners rose up destroyed them it says it in halo 3 and cryptum

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Posted by: windtalker006
The Forunners rose up destroyed them it says it in halo 3 and cryptum


nothing of such is said in halo 3.

  • 06.21.2011 12:22 PM PDT


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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: DESTROYER CGT
What I want to know is if the precursors really created the flood[/quote]

nah, from what we know the ships the flood came on were nothing like precursor ships



To use an age old saying: thats what they want you to believe.


just like people want to believe we are fighting forerunners in halo 4, humans and forerunners are the same, and the ending planet is onxy or will connect to the dyson sphere?

right.


Who is to say the Precursors didn't use "faked" ships to trick the Forerunners into believing this was from another race, not related to their ancient enemies, and would thusly be less tempted to destroy them? Its like a Trojan Horse: at what first seems like an innocent gift, turns into a drastic weapon.

And the first rule of a Trojan Horse: desguise it as something else to smother any doubt.


i am completely sorry but that is the most unintelligent thing i have ever heard you say. why would the precursors (if they even did all of that) go out of there way to do that? not to mention it is hard to build something and make it look like you didn't build it.

seeing how everybody is predicting the same thing (yet complain about halo being too predictable) it is obvious that greg (who has been informed of what we think) isn't going to do that, its far too easy to think of.

it is just far too predictable which is the main reason it is ruled out.


And once again, Grey, you become hostile at someone for believing something different then you simply because, in your mind, it is wrong.


Here's a question: why would the Precursors, or at least the Prisoner, not do that? Why would he not try to kill off the Forerunners with a weapon that nobody suspected? Why would he not use any subterfuge in dealing with a race that, should they wish, could obliterate him with the push of a button? Crazy psychic abilities or not, Great Journey not withstanding, the Prisoner is, at the time of Cryptum stll a biological entity.

So pardon me, grey, for brainstorming ideas, and especially pardon me for considering ideas I have evidence to prove.

Is it not the nature of this forum, the entire purpose of this forum to throw around suggestions for the sake of discussion, regardless of accuracy, predictability or sensibility? The fact of the matter is: we don't know what Greg Bear has in store for us, so we make guesses and speculate based on evidence; there's nothing wrong with that. My evidence? The Prisoner says "this is our answer." What other then the Flood could "this" mean?

If you have an idea, I'd be happy to hear it, as I am sure any self respecting canon junky would. There is no need, however, to call someone "unintelligent", "stupid", "ignorant" or any other form of the word for the mere fact they said something you do not agree with. All of that does is present one-self as narcissistically believing themself as the sole authority over the given subject. Anyone who has anything to say that differs itself from what you or anyone else believes probably has just as good a reason for believing it as you do your own belief.

And again, like I said before, you're not the only one to do this. I've commited similar acts for different reasons and got banned for a week for it, like I told you yesterday. I am under no dillusion that anyone, myself included, is perfect. What needs to be done is to the best of your abilities overcome those flaws and, in your case (and in the case of a lot of people here) accept the theories of others for the simple fact stated above: everyone is correct until proven otherwise, if by countering evidence or the authors themselves.

We don't know whats in store for us, so lets just have fun tossing around ideas; odds are 95% are wrong in some way, my own theory likely in that 95%. You're right on one thing though, grey: Greg Bear would likely not create a story around something already guessed at unless he has his trilogy already mapped out (which I don't doubt, but again, who knows, so lets just get back to talking).

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: DESTROYER CGT
What I want to know is if the precursors really created the flood[/quote]

nah, from what we know the ships the flood came on were nothing like precursor ships

[/quote]

To use an age old saying: thats what they want you to believe.


just like people want to believe we are fighting forerunners in halo 4, humans and forerunners are the same, and the ending planet is onxy or will connect to the dyson sphere?

right.


Who is to say the Precursors didn't use "faked" ships to trick the Forerunners into believing this was from another race, not related to their ancient enemies, and would thusly be less tempted to destroy them? Its like a Trojan Horse: at what first seems like an innocent gift, turns into a drastic weapon.

And the first rule of a Trojan Horse: desguise it as something else to smother any doubt.


i am completely sorry but that is the most unintelligent thing i have ever heard you say. why would the precursors (if they even did all of that) go out of there way to do that? not to mention it is hard to build something and make it look like you didn't build it.

seeing how everybody is predicting the same thing (yet complain about halo being too predictable) it is obvious that greg (who has been informed of what we think) isn't going to do that, its far too easy to think of.

it is just far too predictable which is the main reason it is ruled out.


And once again, Grey, you become hostile at someone for believing something different then you simply because, in your mind, it is wrong.


Here's a question: why would the Precursors, or at least the Prisoner, not do that? Why would he not try to kill off the Forerunners with a weapon that nobody suspected? Why would he not use any subterfuge in dealing with a race that, should they wish, could obliterate him with the push of a button? Crazy psychic abilities or not, Great Journey not withstanding, the Prisoner is, at the time of Cryptum stll a biological entity.

So pardon me, grey, for brainstorming ideas, and especially pardon me for considering ideas I have evidence to prove.

Is it not the nature of this forum, the entire purpose of this forum to throw around suggestions for the sake of discussion, regardless of accuracy, predictability or sensibility? The fact of the matter is: we don't know what Greg Bear has in store for us, so we make guesses and speculate based on evidence; there's nothing wrong with that. My evidence? The Prisoner says "this is our answer." What other then the Flood could "this" mean?

If you have an idea, I'd be happy to hear it, as I am sure any self respecting canon junky would. There is no need, however, to call someone "unintelligent", "stupid", "ignorant" or any other form of the word for the mere fact they said something you do not agree with. All of that does is present one-self as narcissistically believing themself as the sole authority over the given subject. Anyone who has anything to say that differs itself from what you or anyone else believes probably has just as good a reason for believing it as you do your own belief.

And again, like I said before, you're not the only one to do this. I've commited similar acts for different reasons and got banned for a week for it, like I told you yesterday. I am under no dillusion that anyone, myself included, is perfect. What needs to be done is to the best of your abilities overcome those flaws and, in your case (and in the case of a lot of people here) accept the theories of others for the simple fact stated above: everyone is correct until proven otherwise, if by countering evidence or the authors themselves.

We don't know whats in store for us, so lets just have fun tossing around ideas; odds are 95% are wrong in some way, my own theory likely in that 95%. You're right on one thing though, grey: Greg Bear would likely not create a story around something already guessed at unless he has his trilogy already mapped out (which I don't doubt, but again, who knows, so lets just get back to talking).



again roberto you assume that i am upset or something merely because of a few words, like i told you last time if i was mad i would say " i am ragin". not to mention you clearly came into my thread with the intentions of starting such a discussion with me to make me mad and "make me look bad" or something of the likes.

So your trying to tell me that they would make some random ships put a powder on it to attack the forerunners and make them think some random race is attacking them? they did all that and still lost? if you want that plot that is fine but that is horrible.

the prisoner the prisoner the prisoner we know nothing of him yet everybody is making up all of these ideas around him, how about wait until more info is released before trying to make up a somewhat decent idea. until then i am just not going to answer anything relating to that.


and roberto this thread isn't about you and your ideas, again you clearly came in here to start something with me, so if you want to talk about your ideas (which i don't mind doing in a thread of yours) quote this and PM me about it. if you want to argue PM me about it. stop harassing and getting off topic on the threads.

  • 06.21.2011 12:52 PM PDT


again roberto you assume that i am upset or something merely because of a few words, like i told you last time if i was mad i would say " i am ragin". not to mention you clearly came into my thread with the intentions of starting such a discussion with me to make me mad and "make me look bad" or something of the likes.

So your trying to tell me that they would make some random ships put a powder on it to attack the forerunners and make them think some random race is attacking them? they did all that and still lost? if you want that plot that is fine but that is horrible.

the prisoner the prisoner the prisoner we know nothing of him yet everybody is making up all of these ideas around him, how about wait until more info is released before trying to make up a somewhat decent idea. until then i am just not going to answer anything relating to that.


and roberto this thread isn't about you and your ideas, again you clearly came in here to start something with me, so if you want to talk about your ideas (which i don't mind doing in a thread of yours) quote this and PM me about it. if you want to argue PM me about it. stop harassing and getting off topic on the threads.


I don't believe this, but I'm just throwing some ideas out there for everybody. Is it possible the precursors did infact create the flood. However, deployed them to a different galaxy to become stronger and ultimately come to this galaxy, when they felt strong enough? There obviously is never any rush with the flood.
Again I don't believe that, but just something to think about.

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again roberto you assume that i am upset or something merely because of a few words, like i told you last time if i was mad i would say " i am ragin". not to mention you clearly came into my thread with the intentions of starting such a discussion with me to make me mad and "make me look bad" or something of the likes.

So your trying to tell me that they would make some random ships put a powder on it to attack the forerunners and make them think some random race is attacking them? they did all that and still lost? if you want that plot that is fine but that is horrible.

the prisoner the prisoner the prisoner we know nothing of him yet everybody is making up all of these ideas around him, how about wait until more info is released before trying to make up a somewhat decent idea. until then i am just not going to answer anything relating to that.


and roberto this thread isn't about you and your ideas, again you clearly came in here to start something with me, so if you want to talk about your ideas (which i don't mind doing in a thread of yours) quote this and PM me about it. if you want to argue PM me about it. stop harassing and getting off topic on the threads.


I don't believe this, but I'm just throwing some ideas out there for everybody. Is it possible the precursors did infact create the flood. However, deployed them to a different galaxy to become stronger and ultimately come to this galaxy, when they felt strong enough? There obviously is never any rush with the flood.
Again I don't believe that, but just something to think about.


so why would they create them, what is there purpose, what was the goal of creating them, etc.

you would have to have good reasons for all of that if you going with that train of thought

  • 06.21.2011 1:34 PM PDT

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What if the Forerunner completely and totally plundered all the Precursor artifacts, so there are none left, or they are indistinguishable from the Forerunner artifacts?

Cortana mentioned in Halo 2 that the Forerunners built newer structures around the old on Delta Halo to "honor them." It'd be strange if they honored themselves, but if, in the building of Halo, they brought in old Precursor structures, that'd make more sense.

Pure speculation, mind you, but no worse than the countless excuses made by the OP in his quest to prove that there's a gaping hole that we need to fill for him.

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Posted by: Dustin 6047
Not sure if this is already answered but...

They all vanished because their buildings, ships, constructs, and what ever else use a nueral based material for thier buildings. That makes their "stuff" have a central nueral system which is what the Halo rings use to effectively kill and destroy.


the op covers that

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Posted by: IonicPaul
What if the Forerunner completely and totally plundered all the Precursor artifacts, so there are none left, or they are indistinguishable from the Forerunner artifacts?

Cortana mentioned in Halo 2 that the Forerunners built newer structures around the old on Delta Halo to "honor them." It'd be strange if they honored themselves, but if, in the building of Halo, they brought in old Precursor structures, that'd make more sense.

Pure speculation, mind you, but no worse than the countless excuses made by the OP in his quest to prove that there's a gaping hole that we need to fill for him.


highly unlikely.

those aren't precursor ruins and are guessed to be ancient forerunners.

Excuses or the fact "this and this" can't be becuase of reason, not to mention if everybody was focused on the topic instead of branching off topic i wouldn't be so direct. If you don't want to "fill that hole" then don't post, if you want to attack me then message me, don't post that nonsense in this thread.

  • 06.21.2011 1:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
highly unlikely.

those aren't precursor ruins and are guessed to be ancient forerunners.

Excuses or the fact "this and this" can't be becuase of reason, not to mention if everybody was focused on the topic instead of branching off topic i wouldn't be so direct. If you don't want to "fill that hole" then don't post, if you want to attack me then message me, don't post that nonsense in this thread.

I said that the part referencing Halo 2 was pure speculation, and was only a weak attempt at supporting the explanation I provided. If you're done speaking to me as if you're a responsible adult speaking to a small child, you'd see that the explanation that I provided fills that hole neatly, and is the most likely explanation as well as the simplest.

In advance: Don't use the argument "Well the Covenant plundered the Forerunners but left some of their relics behind" because it's not a fair analogue. When you see what technology the Forerunners had at their disposal, total incorporation of Precursor technology, thus leaving no seam between Precursor and Forerunner, seems likely.

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Posted by: grey101
highly unlikely.

those aren't precursor ruins and are guessed to be ancient forerunners.

Excuses or the fact "this and this" can't be becuase of reason, not to mention if everybody was focused on the topic instead of branching off topic i wouldn't be so direct. If you don't want to "fill that hole" then don't post, if you want to attack me then message me, don't post that nonsense in this thread.

I said that the part referencing Halo 2 was pure speculation, and was only a weak attempt at supporting the explanation I provided. If you're done speaking to me as if you're a responsible adult speaking to a small child, you'd see that the explanation that I provided fills that hole neatly, and is the most likely explanation as well as the simplest.

In advance: Don't use the argument "Well the Covenant plundered the Forerunners but left some of their relics behind" because it's not a fair analogue. When you see what technology the Forerunners had at their disposal, total incorporation of Precursor technology, thus leaving no seam between Precursor and Forerunner, seems likely.


the only issue is you can clearly tell the difference between forerunner and precursor tech, not to mention they don't really understand the technology so plundering to the core is too much.

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Posted by: grey101
the only issue is you can clearly tell the difference between forerunner and precursor tech, not to mention they don't really understand the technology so plundering to the core is too much.

Two things: Firstly, this post makes a good point. Secondly, I've fallen slightly behind in the Halo canon, so I'm a little blind when it comes to this.

In that case: It'd make the most sense if the Precursors simply left with most of the things they had. If they left by choice, they'd have had time to dissemble most of their creations before they departed, leaving little behind. Who knows? Maybe they were leaving for a permanent new galaxy and wanted to take everything with them.

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Posted by: grey101
the only issue is you can clearly tell the difference between forerunner and precursor tech, not to mention they don't really understand the technology so plundering to the core is too much.

Two things: Firstly, this post makes a good point. Secondly, I've fallen slightly behind in the Halo canon, so I'm a little blind when it comes to this.


what is the "point"?

precursors structures are described as crystalline silver-gray while being organic and in-organic at the same time. the forerunners have no what to do with them.

  • 06.21.2011 2:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
what is the "point"?

precursors structures are described as crystalline silver-gray while being organic and in-organic at the same time. the forerunners have no what to do with them.

That's the point. At the time of writing my first and second posts, I was unaware that the Precursor technology was completely distinguishable from Forerunner technology; not even reverse-engineered.

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