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Subject: HaloCE Like it or not?
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Poll: Do you Like HaloCE?  [closed]
I like it. Wouldnt switch back.:  47%
(15 Votes)
I still play Halo PC:  44%
(14 Votes)
Too many bugs for me:  6%
(2 Votes)
Im not a dedicated fan:  3%
(1 Votes)
Total Votes: 32

Just a basic poll I wanted to do to see how the general reaction to HaloCE is.

  • 08.31.2004 9:03 PM PDT
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i will never change back to regular halo.

  • 08.31.2004 9:35 PM PDT

* Pr: ĭnʹtərnĕts: "I hear there's rumors on the uh (pause), Internets...

i will at least that has Campaign, but i still like CE the same

why are there so many PC fanboys?

CE is teh RoxOrZ

  • 08.31.2004 9:40 PM PDT
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i like em both, i still play halo pc multiplayer every once in a while mostly cuz it has a ton more players

[Edited on 8/31/2004 11:03:31 PM]

  • 08.31.2004 11:03 PM PDT
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Just a note for others who glance at this topic. It shouldn't matter whether you like Halo CE better or not.

Everyone who plays multiplayer Halo should be playing Halo Custom Edition.

I don't say this because I think Halo CE is better than the original version. I say this because Halo PC is dead. It has been said by official sources that Halo PC will not receive any more updates, unless they are critical in nature (i.e. security fixes, SP2 fix, exploit fixes). We all feel that Halo for PC could have been so much better. Halo Custom Edition is the only version of the game that stands to be updated in terms of optimization/content. In fact, it has been said that there are already fixes availible for many of the shortcomings of the first version of CE, but Gearbox can't justify coding and distributing a patch for the number of players that currently play, even though that number is fairly significant.

Please, download and stick with Halo Custom Edition if you care anything about Halo for the PC platform. Everybody that goes back to the original Halo PC "because there are more players" or "I'm better at PC" is part of the problem that Custom Edition is facing right now. Come help Halo grow. Come help Halo be all that it should have been.

  • 08.31.2004 11:37 PM PDT
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I Play Halo CE For the Custom maps however not many people play CE so i stil play Halo PC.

  • 09.01.2004 1:24 AM PDT
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Posted by: Leoht
Everyone who plays multiplayer Halo should be playing Halo Custom Edition.


I ONLY play CE by invite from a friend. It lags. Bad. New, big maps are just so boring. I go for normal Halo PC all the way.

  • 09.01.2004 1:48 AM PDT
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I'm on dial-up... need I say more?

And Psyched plays normal Halo Pc, so he won't lose and cry. If he gets killed more times than his opponent, he starts yelling, "wtf" and "Noobs!". He basically only plays Blood Gulch where he can snipe people. I like indoor maps like Hang 'Em High and Wizard, but ice fields rocks too.

And even if I have CE, my connection wouldn't be able to handle it. :P

  • 09.01.2004 3:46 AM PDT
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Psyched,

I ONLY play CE by invite from a friend. It lags. Bad. New, big maps are just so boring. I go for normal Halo PC all the way.

This is the kind of stuff I'm looking for, because there is a popular sentiment out there amongst some PC players that have tried Halo CE for a day and then returned to their beloved normalcy.

If you're experiencing lag, you should play on servers with low ping, just as in Halo PC. If you are playing only by invite from a friend, that means you don't consider ping before joining a server, which naturally will affect the performance of you and everyone else in that server if your ping is less than marvelous. Personally, I've experienced much less lag in Custom Edition, which is what leads me to theorize why you're experiencing more lag. I played PC for months before CE came out and I've subsequently played nothing but CE. I've gone back to PC more than a few times to check out what things are like and I seriously don't know how you people can stand it. All the popping and warping is scary. I rarely see that stuff in CE.

If you are trying to refer to the "random leading" problem as lag, that's an entirely different entity and we can continue on with that subject if that is indeed what you are referring to... Understand that I'm trying to straighten things out. A lot of misinformation has been spread about Halo Custom Edition, quite undeservedly.

As for big custom maps: yes, they exist. I'm not quite sure why this is a valid reason for not playing CE though. Seriously. That makes no sense. It's a red herring as far as this discussion is concerned, nevermind the fact that there are plenty of small custom maps (desert island anyone? ;). This seems to be a complaint you should file towards map makers, not Halo CE itself. Halo Custom Edition still has all the classic maps. In fact, the classic maps you know and love are still the most played maps, even in Custom Edition servers.

Edit: Specified who I was talking to.

[Edited on 9/1/2004 3:50:46 AM]

  • 09.01.2004 3:48 AM PDT
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WarHammer,

I can see how CE would be tough if you're on dialup, especially the downloads for the install and the custom maps. CE does work much better if you have a nice, constant connection with steady ping times; a description that definitely does not fit dialup. ;) A valid excuse if I've ever heard one.

  • 09.01.2004 3:55 AM PDT
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halo pc, yes it has some problems that could be fixed...and yes there are warping problems, but that is nothing compared to the problems ce has

1) very few people actually get better performance on ce
2) there are many more bugs
3) radom leading is rediculous, atleast on pc its constant
4) very few custom maps are worth playing, and its always "the lastest craze" in them, not the best maps
5) long loading times
6) "corrected code for warpage" it just looks stupid to watch...
7) no public fun....
8) servers are laggier then on pc
9) most servers are passworded
10) large portion of ce players only play because there clan plays
11) ce community has to more then quadruple in order to even get close to figures needed for a patch
12) ce community is getting smaller, and most players only play "latest craze map" or bloodgulch
13) it is possible to "cheat" on non dedicated servers on ce (not mod, like on pc)
14) a poll has been done on gearbox forums on if halo ce is dead or not
http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Nu mber=303981&page=8&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=93&a mp;fpart=1#303981
look at the results for yourselves, 75% say yes!

  • 09.01.2004 8:06 AM PDT
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this is a constant war. alot of ppl play halo pc instead for what? the same old maps again? I have no idea why ppl play the same old maps over again. and plus you can play the old maps on halo ce too.

  • 09.01.2004 12:36 PM PDT
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Cube, you raised several good points. This is the kind of stuff I've been digging for. Here are my responses.

1) Eh, I'd argue this one, but I can't find any sources anymore. For a few weeks after CE was released, people were posting their performance gains over at Gbx and the vast majority were seeing some sort of increase, whether it be significant or insignificant. Personally, the updated shaders were less than spectacular for me. I didn't experience the great boost in framerates that others have boasted about, but every little bit helps. I run an Nvidia GPU and I can still tell the difference between Halo CE and PC without a frame meter. I've read elsewhere that ATI GPUs saw the most increase in performance. However, this is not a reason for preferring Halo PC over Halo CE. If you don't experience a performance increase with Halo CE, what's the problem? You haven't seen a performance decrease, have you? And it's still the only version of the game that holds the potential for future performance increases.

2) Yup, agreed. The popular statement to this effect is that CE "introduced as many bugs as it fixed." Thus why we're pushing for a patch. But if you stop and think about it, this is the first version of CE. If Halo PC were still in the state it was when it was released, it would be one sad game. At least Halo CE is playable, whereas Halo PC was not when it first came out (particularly if you were runnning an Nvidia GPU).

3) Random leading is the single most ridiculous excuse I've ever heard someone use for not playing PC. I'll tell you why. Random leading does not occur 100% of the time. Random leading does not make the game unplayable. Random leading does not prevent you from ranking high in a server. In short, random leading will frustrate you on occassion, it will prevent you from making some kills, but it shouldn't prevent you from having fun and scoring a good game. Hundreds of people play CE every day and random leading considered, there is still a champion at the end of the game. Every day, hundreds of people come back to play CE, because they have learded how to lead with a pistol and sniper rifle.

The official word on random leading, by Randy Pitchford, Gearbox President:
The leading thing is a trade-off. Fans said make popping better, so we did. It came at a cost of leading that is affected by ping. Smooth connections don't find leading fluctations. Connections that have fluctating latency will find leading issues in one game session. You'll find different leading even on smooth connections from one game session to the next if your latency changes. At the end of the day these are the ideosyncracies one must deal with on an internet game. Only the experts notice them, then they learn the ideosyncracies and adapt. What's cool is that most of the forum guys are experts

It should be noted that no Internet connection is going to have a rock solid ping, thus everyone experiences the same random leading. The only way you will have such a connection devoid of random leading is when you are playing on a LAN (and even then I've heard some CAL players complain). The way I look at random leading is as a ratio. It cuts down on your kills as a ratio, because sometimes you can't land that last shot to finish off your opponent, but most of the time you can. No big deal. On average, you will score less than you could on Halo PC, but this is the case for everyone that plays, so in effect, nothing is changed by the time the scoreboard is displayed. What I'm really trying to say is that random leading can be a PITA, but it's nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be. As much as I dread to say this (because people will perceive it as a personal attack), the people that are complaining are the ones that can't take the time to adapt and get used to a new style of leading. I have no doub that random leading would see a touchup in any future patch released by Gearbox, as this has been

4) The fact that "very few custom maps are worth playing" is a godsend for you, because the fewer maps you have in your CE directory, the faster the game loads. If you don't like the custom maps, don't play them. There are still all the classic maps to be played.

5) You only have long loading times if you have many maps. Because you don't like custom maps, you shouldn't have long loading times. If you do have lots of maps and the load time bothers you in the frame of time between now and a patch, get up to get a beer or throw your clothes in the laundry or something. Be productive during those few minutes. ;)

Again, from Randy:
We have a fix for the load times and we're saving that for a patch, but we're really nervous about just farting out a low level patch for one thing. We're going to have to push and pull for Bungie's attention to release the thing and if that's it, that may be it forever.

6) I'm not sure what you mean by this. Could you elaborate?

7) Just as a clarification, this isn't a reason not to play Halo CE. It's your opinion. Opinions are fine, but it seems silly to include such a subjective statement in a list of reasons that aim to prove why Halo PC is better than Halo CE.

8) I'd tend to disagree. You can find plenty of low-latency servers in CE. Not as many as in Halo PC, but that's a function of how many players there are for each game. Choose your games wisely.

9) I just hopped online right now. There were about 40 locked servers, whereas there were about 100 unlocked servers. That's plenty to choose from, if you ask me and hardly approaches the "most servers" figure you claimed.

10)Yup. No reason not to play, is it now? This also answers the question of why there are so many locked servers. Clans need private servers for scrimages.

11)Yup. No reason not to play, is it now? In fact, this is the reason why you should be joining the CE ranks. We need the dedicated players.

12) Have you played recently? The biggest custom maps have been New Mombasa Classic and Wartorn Cove, which have survived long past their release date. Bloodgulch gets played even more on PC than it does on CE, although I'd tend to agree with you on the BG matter. That map gets old after a while.

13) I've never heard of this. Care to link to some proof? Of course, it's needless to mention that you can cheat on Halo PC, too.

14) Lol, you're going to refer to a poll on the Gearbox forums... the absolute deepest cesspool of negativity anywhere when it concerns CE? The folks over at Gearbox were the biggest fans of CE, that's why they're so bitter. They know what CE could have been and are frustrated at the lack of support and the lack of attention being paid by PC players. Most have given up because Gearbox hasn't released a patch for the game and the number of new players joining CE is but a trickle, but that's what I'm trying to change here. The reason Gearbox hasn't released a patch is the number of players and the fact that Bungie is in severe Halo 2 mode.

As per the poll, are you going to let a poll determine how you think and behave? Just because a lot of people clicked on a radio button on some obscure post in the Gearbox forums, you're going to let this affect your decision on what game to play? I definitely hope that's not what you're suggesting other people do by referring to this poll. First, the poll is worded badly and controlls the user's response in a negative way. In no way was its sample comprehensive of the entire CE population and with online polls it is easy to vote multiple times. Message board polls are virtually pointless for extrapolating hard facts from a population. The only thing that poll was good for was to reflect the current frame of mind of the Gboxers, who have just about had it with the state of Halo on the PC, due to lack of support by all the company's involved. People are frustrated and angry, but there are still plenty over at Gearbox that still play CE, me amongst them.

  • 09.01.2004 1:27 PM PDT
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jesus leoht, you have alot of time on your hands if you wrote all of that.

off topic

[Edited on 9/1/2004 2:18:54 PM]

  • 09.01.2004 2:18 PM PDT
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I make the time for this topic. I wrote all of that and I have 100 other things I could be doing, but this matters, because other people read this stuff and form opinions before ever giving CE a chance. Or they get CE and actively pay attention for the problems other people have mentioned, without paying attention to all the good things about CE. Thanks for everyone's time, if you're bothering to read this stuff.

  • 09.01.2004 2:55 PM PDT
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Here is the same poll over at the Gearbox forums Gearbox HaloCE Poll

  • 09.01.2004 4:43 PM PDT
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I love HaloCE.

HaloPC isn't going to be supported, why bother with it? Why play a product inferior to what another COULD be in the future? If Halo CE gets a good strong following, it will get supported. People just can't stand missing two shots because of random leading, or they can't stand 20-30 seconds extra load time. We need to get loud over here that we want to be supported. I've been at the Gearbox forums since last October and am now a moderator there also, we've been the loudest voice for HaloCE since its release, both when it was on top, and when it was down at the bottom. Gearbox has been there all the way. Where the heck has Bungie been? They're just as much responsible for the supporting of Halo PC and CE as Gearbox is, but guess what, the little guy (Gearbox) who has no decision in what happens surrounding Halo is taking all the flak for its downfall. Step up and do something Bungie. Its your game, you have its rights, and you have the final say. Quit hiding and working on Halo2 and realize if you tossed a couple thousands and maybe 10 man hours into HaloCE right now, it could pay huge dividends. Right now is a pivital time for HaloCE's future, its time for Bungie to step up and do its bit.

edit: spelling errors

[Edited on 9/1/2004 5:23:05 PM]

  • 09.01.2004 4:44 PM PDT
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Well said, Colin. Couldn't be more true.

  • 09.01.2004 5:19 PM PDT
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I see a majority of the voters still play halo pc. I would like to know why. If you dont like HaloCE why? If you have never heard of haloCE head on over to www.gearboxsoftware.com and visit their forums. Check the stickies in the general halo ce discussion forum for links to download haloce. Which is free if you have your halo PC cd key.

  • 09.01.2004 8:37 PM PDT
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I want Halo CE to be successful. For this to happen, we require Bungie to have initiative to further the success of CE. Gearbox need more support. There are hungr y gamers out there willing to give Halo CE a chance, as long as it is supported.

I'm with STB and ColinC on this.

  • 09.01.2004 8:50 PM PDT
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STB, your poll needs more options. For instance, I mostly play CE but occasionally play PC for clan stuff or CE recruitment efforts.

  • 09.01.2004 9:22 PM PDT
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Nice work Leoht. It's always a pleasure gaming with ya.

  • 09.01.2004 9:23 PM PDT
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okay... my reason for not playing HaloCE is that i dont get onto Halo frequently enough for it to matter. but one thing i noticed kind of bothered me. Leoht, (sorry if spelling is wrong.. its late and im tired lol) you stated

Posted by: Leoht
4) The fact that "very few custom maps are worth playing" is a godsend for you, because the fewer maps you have in your CE directory, the faster the game loads. If you don't like the custom maps, don't play them. There are still all the classic maps to be played.


Isn't that the reason for HaloCE? to have new playable maps? if you only want to play classic maps, why hassle with downloading something else? to support people who are whining about it? and dont say "I'm not whining" because you guys are.

proof is found here:

Posted by: WarHammer01
And Psyched plays normal Halo Pc, so he won't lose and cry. If he gets killed more times than his opponent, he starts yelling, "wtf" and "Noobs!". He basically only plays Blood Gulch where he can snipe people.


A base assumption coming from someone who doesnt know any better.

also

Posted by: Leoht
7) Just as a clarification, this isn't a reason not to play Halo CE. It's your opinion. Opinions are fine, but it seems silly to include such a subjective statement in a list of reasons that aim to prove why Halo PC is better than Halo CE.


Opinions are the basis of why we choose to do stuff. If a voter has a strong opinion in an election for a candidate, they wont vote for the other candidate, they'll vote for the one they like more.

In short, sorry if i seem to be coming off as harsh here, and dont get angry because any negative emotion is wasteful in a BBS forum. ANYWHO, dont try to make people go either way... present the link, advertise (dont slander) the link, tell some pros and cons about CE, and let the people who happen to stumble into this website forum decide for themselves.

Oh, as a side note, since this is a popular thread... i need some help with my HaloPC game. For some reason (this doesnt happen to anyone else i know so i think my PC is unique lol) when i play HaloPC, the Spartan suits are all gray and black. Everything else is in fine color, but if im playing CTF, there is no blue/red armor... everyones a neutral gray/black. any help would be appreciated thanks!!!

  • 09.01.2004 9:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: ColinC
I love HaloCE.

HaloPC isn't going to be supported, why bother with it? Why play a product inferior to what another COULD be in the future? If Halo CE gets a good strong following, it will get supported. People just can't stand missing two shots because of random leading, or they can't stand 20-30 seconds extra load time. We need to get loud over here that we want to be supported. I've been at the Gearbox forums since last October and am now a moderator there also, we've been the loudest voice for HaloCE since its release, both when it was on top, and when it was down at the bottom. Gearbox has been there all the way. Where the heck has Bungie been? They're just as much responsible for the supprting of Halo PC and CE as Gearbox is, but guess what, the little guy (Gearbox) who has no decision in what happens surrounding Halo is taking all the flack for its downfall. Step up and do something Bungie. Its your game, you have its rights, and you have the final say. Quit hiding and working on Halo2 and realize if you tossed a couple thousands and maybe 10 man hours into HaloCE right now, it could pay huge dividends. Right now is a pivital time for HaloCE's future, its time for Bungie to step up and do its bit.


do you realize how much work goes into these games? i dont think bungie is "hiding" behind halo 2... Halo 2 is going to bring in a hundredfold the amount of gross profit selling at $50 USD, than a free download of HaloCE for people who already have HaloPC. for bungie, Halo stands on its own. It has supported itself since its release, and even this year, it is still one of the tope selling games. Gearbox knew what it was getting into when it partnered with bungie.. thats why it happened. the two corporations got together because bungie wanted to focus mainly on its new project, Halo2. Gearbox said "okay! we'll help you out and bring halo to the pc to increase your sales and production benefits"... its not as though bungie suddenly and without warning pulled out the carpet from underneath the feet of gbx.



man im sleepy......

oh well... its human nature to fight and argue for the better point so i'll leave that to you guys who are in here right now... goodnight everybody....

  • 09.01.2004 9:47 PM PDT
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woah, u type alot man, i look up to people with as much dedication to a dead product as you. i try my best, i mod, i stay on gearbox forums with all of my free time, but you my friend, blow us all away. you are dedication in its purest form.





or perhaps your just insane... hehe, either way, ur cool man.

SUPPORT HALO CE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 09.01.2004 9:50 PM PDT

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