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Subject: So was the knowledge of Forerunners classified to the public?

"The measure of a man is what he does with power"-Plato

Or does everyone know about it?

Or did the UNSC didn't want the Halo array to be made public for morale reasons?

  • 06.22.2011 12:00 PM PDT

"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself—nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance..."-FDR

I would imagine after the unveiling of the portal in halo 3, limited information would have been released to the public about the forerunners.

  • 06.22.2011 12:05 PM PDT

I think after the war they would probably reveal the Forerunners.

  • 06.22.2011 12:09 PM PDT

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The short story, Petra, in the reissued First Strike adjunct seems to indicate that the term Forerunner was out there, but according to the narrator who is a journalist she indicates that the majority of the population more likely than not has no clue as to what the word means or if it was a "person, place, or thing".

So it seems the majority of that information is hushed up still from the average joe that doesn't bother looking into things. Though from humanities' perspective even those in the know don't have much to go on other than the Forerunners were an advanced race that is composed of none of the Covenant races and left several artifacts behind.

Of note it seems that information like the slipspace portal, the Ark, and the Halos is within Petra's grasp through her contacts, so that should say something about the extent of security surrounding that information if she, a mere civilian journalist, can dig up that information independently with nothing more but a little persistence.

  • 06.22.2011 12:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: StealthSlasher2
The short story, Petra, in the reissued First Strike adjunct seems to indicate that the term Forerunner was out there, but according to the narrator who is a journalist she indicates that the majority of the population more likely than not has no clue as to what the word means or if it was a "person, place, or thing".

So it seems the majority of that information is hushed up still from the average joe that doesn't bother looking into things. Though from humanities' perspective even those in the know don't have much to go on other than the Forerunners were an advanced race that is composed of none of the Covenant races and left several artifacts behind.

Of note it seems that information like the slipspace portal, the Ark, and the Halos is within Petra's grasp through her contacts, so that should say something about the extent of security surrounding that information if she, a mere civilian journalist, can dig up that information independently with nothing more but a little persistence.


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  • 06.22.2011 1:03 PM PDT

probaly only limited information, because at the end of the evolutions book, it talks about forerunner similarities to humsn. It was classified top secret.

  • 06.22.2011 1:08 PM PDT

so basicaly forerunner ruins were (will be) regarded like crop circles today.

makes you wonder if we'll feel stupid like that one day.

  • 06.22.2011 1:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: RagedSycokiller
probaly only limited information, because at the end of the evolutions book, it talks about forerunner similarities to humsn. It was classified top secret.


The information though from that short story was from the perspective of a scientist under contract to ONI, so it wouldn't really be "public" information per say as the information he and his fellow scientists were privy to and expanded on were part of private ONI sanctioned research.

  • 06.22.2011 1:16 PM PDT

I'd imagine some of it would be available to the public, seeing as the Portal would be something a little hard to hide from public inquiry, they would get enough information to keep them from being too inquisitive and copious ammounts of ONI bull--blam!- would probably be thrown in as well. But the majority of the information would probably be classified...at least for a good long while.

  • 06.22.2011 1:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: StealthSlasher2
The short story, Petra, in the reissued First Strike adjunct seems to indicate that the term Forerunner was out there, but according to the narrator who is a journalist she indicates that the majority of the population more likely than not has no clue as to what the word means or if it was a "person, place, or thing".

So it seems the majority of that information is hushed up still from the average joe that doesn't bother looking into things. Though from humanities' perspective even those in the know don't have much to go on other than the Forerunners were an advanced race that is composed of none of the Covenant races and left several artifacts behind.

Of note it seems that information like the slipspace portal, the Ark, and the Halos is within Petra's grasp through her contacts, so that should say something about the extent of security surrounding that information if she, a mere civilian journalist, can dig up that information independently with nothing more but a little persistence.
I don't remember this from First Strike. Granted it's been a while, but was this added in the re issue? I refuse to rebuy the books.

  • 06.22.2011 1:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: OrderedComa
I'd imagine some of it would be available to the public, seeing as the Portal would be something a little hard to hide from public inquiry, they would get enough information to keep them from being too inquisitive and copious ammounts of ONI bull--blam!- would probably be thrown in as well. But the majority of the information would probably be classified...at least for a good long while.


But the average civilian wouldn't know better if it was Covenant or not.

  • 06.22.2011 1:23 PM PDT

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My interpretation was that by the end of Halo 3 there was no public. We;d been hit so hard as a species the only ones remaining were military.

  • 06.22.2011 1:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: StealthSlasher2
The short story, Petra, in the reissued First Strike adjunct seems to indicate that the term Forerunner was out there, but according to the narrator who is a journalist she indicates that the majority of the population more likely than not has no clue as to what the word means or if it was a "person, place, or thing".

So it seems the majority of that information is hushed up still from the average joe that doesn't bother looking into things. Though from humanities' perspective even those in the know don't have much to go on other than the Forerunners were an advanced race that is composed of none of the Covenant races and left several artifacts behind.

Of note it seems that information like the slipspace portal, the Ark, and the Halos is within Petra's grasp through her contacts, so that should say something about the extent of security surrounding that information if she, a mere civilian journalist, can dig up that information independently with nothing more but a little persistence.
I don't remember this from First Strike. Granted it's been a while, but was this added in the re issue? I refuse to rebuy the books.


"in the reissued First Strike adjunct"

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Posted by: Dredwerkz
My interpretation was that by the end of Halo 3 there was no public. We;d been hit so hard as a species the only ones remaining were military.


There were still at least a dozen populated inner colonies that the Covenant completely bypassed when they made a beeline for Reach, aside from New Jeruselum and Onyx (the latter housing only military personnel), the Covenant proceeded to focus on Earth. Then the war ended before any other worlds could be attacked. In Captain Keyes' words "they bypassed a dozen Inner Colony worlds to get [to Reach]" Pg. 326 of the reissued version.

The short story I mentioned earlier at the end of the reissued First Strike takes place on a colony called Forseti. One such world that the Covenant never touched. Another that was mentioned being untouched was Lenapi.

So there's still a significant civilian population remaining.

[Edited on 06.22.2011 1:35 PM PDT]

  • 06.22.2011 1:24 PM PDT


Posted by: Dredwerkz
My interpretation was that by the end of Halo 3 there was no public. We;d been hit so hard as a species the only ones remaining were military.


Actually there at least three that hadn't been hit by the Covenant at all, and very little of Earth had been touched by the Covenant. Their forces were concentrated primarily in East Africa in the area around New Mombasa. The only other major city centers I know of them invading were Cleveland in America, and the Sydney area of Australia.

So no, it's not only military people still around, there is still quite a large number of Humans left in the galaxy.

  • 06.22.2011 1:37 PM PDT

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I think it's one of 343's databases I recall that lists humans as being "Nearly extinct; Emergency military government. Population [~300,000] Military personnel." I can't be more specific than that as it's only a vague memory.

[Edited on 06.22.2011 1:44 PM PDT]

  • 06.22.2011 1:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: Dredwerkz
I think it's one of 343's databases I recall that lists humans as being "Nearly extinct; Emergency military government. Population [~300,000] Military personnel. I can't be more specific than that as it's only a vague memory.

Didn't the Bestarium list the population at several million? 300 million if I remember correctly.

OT: I bet ONI made up some bs cover story about the Portal and how it was some sort of prototype UNSC Long-Range slipspace device. Or maybe just claim that it swamp gas reflecting light from Venus.


[Edited on 06.22.2011 1:48 PM PDT]

  • 06.22.2011 1:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: RagedSycokiller
probaly only limited information, because at the end of the evolutions book, it talks about forerunner similarities to humsn. It was classified top secret.


The information though from that short story was from the perspective of a scientist under contract to ONI, so it wouldn't really be "public" information per say as the information he and his fellow scientists were privy to and expanded on were part of private ONI sanctioned research.

No, I'm saying the limited acces to the info was from the poratl in the sky that practically everyone would see, not the info from the book.

  • 06.22.2011 1:52 PM PDT

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This is what I was thinking of, but it states 200 million, perhaps I've just forgotten or the source I seem to remember is in the hundred thousands. I didn't originally read it on halo waypoint, that's for sure.
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  • 06.22.2011 2:23 PM PDT
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In the Halo Wars graphic novel, Genesis, Anders is speaking about the planet ONYX to a class and explaining that there seems to be structures that aren't Human. This in itself is odd because ONYX was supposedly classified. But I digress, this is as close to the knowledge that the general public probably had in relation to the Forerunners.

[Edited on 06.22.2011 2:51 PM PDT]

  • 06.22.2011 2:49 PM PDT