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Subject: I declare Halo: Reach Non-Canon. Don't agree? Get over it.

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: raganok99
Whoever said that game canon overrides the book canon is purely idiotic.
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True Halo Fans truly know what difference of canon is. For example, game mechanics, glitches, etc is not canon. Only canon is storyline.

1. Way to contradict yourself,
2. Glad to see this established. So, can you point out in the STORYLINE, not the little details, how Halo Reach contradicts previously known canon?
Posted by: grey101
1.in which they answer directly to ackerson who is army, do i need to go get Goo and start pulling page numbers and quotes?

Yes, yes you should. It would help greatly, as I've heard/read nothing on Spartan III's being directly Army as opposed to simply operating under the Army.

Posted by: grey101
2.the flaw is the other spartan IIIs didn't know how to fly the sabres and if they were all trained to use all UNSC equipment then 6 wouldn't have been the only one.
Which was never explained ether.

Why was John the only Spartan II initially given Mark VI armor? Were any others given it? Plus, there's really nothing that says that Noble team couldn't fly them, only that Six could. Maybe the rest of Noble team had more important things to do; like helping to evacuate New Alexandria?
Posted by: grey101
again it is relevant. the game was done but not in stores yet therefore the only canon was the canon established by the book. the book was also made to where it wouldn't contradict other the games, in which reach the game contradicts the book.

I don't know how much clearer I can be about it. When it says on the book "Based on the game," it becomes irrelevant when it was released. As for not contradicting? Yes, yes it did contradict quite a bit. I've seen battles rage across this forum for years over issues with one or two lines in the damn thing.
Posted by: grey101
you are the one that keeps saying the books are based off the games. There is nothing in the games that GoO touches on in regards to the spartan IIIs or onyx. we didn't know about until the book.

Well, yeah. It says so on the books themselves, leading one to believe strongly that they're based off the games. Ghosts of Onyx? Based off the events in Halo 2 and 3 (?) whichever it happens in-between. It doesn't have to connect directly to be based off the games. As for Cryptum? The Terminals, plain and simple. That and almost everything that has happened relating to the Forerunners.
Posted by: grey101
this is where i asked what games specifically were those books based on so i can brush up on my SIII and forerunner canon since the games are the main source.

Main source? No. Come on, let's keep this civil. (it read a little snippy) I'm simply saying that when we get these little clashes of "wait, what?" the games take precedence over the books. The books are a lesser source of canon, but still a considerable one.

[Edited on 06.23.2011 4:41 PM PDT]

  • 06.23.2011 4:41 PM PDT

Other spartans were given MK VI, I think Linda, Will, and Fred. And Black Team were given armor that was very similar to Mk VI.

And as for the N6 knowing how to fly a saber and the other Spartans not knowing was because it was a top secret operation and N6 just happened to be a test pilot for them. They didn't need to give the Spartan's Saber training because it, most likely, would have been a useless talent considering how few there were or because it was unkown by Mendez or Ackerson or any of the people responsible for training them.

[Edited on 06.23.2011 4:57 PM PDT]

  • 06.23.2011 4:56 PM PDT

BANOOSH


Posted by: immadchill
I DECLARE EVERY FANFIC EVER CREATED CANON, that's not how it works bro

  • 06.23.2011 5:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: xecnalxes117
You're an idiot. Read the first book jackass, & don't say you did. Because if you did, you'd be agreeing. Ignorant fan boy.

You mean the book that basically went "They trained, they trained, they trained really really hard, they became Spartans, some died, they fought some Insurrectionists; oh yeah, and Reach fell. The end!"

Yeah, great basis there.
Looks like someone went on Wikipedia. Again, If you actually read the book, you'd be agreeing.

  • 06.23.2011 5:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I would like a main source, and i'll be giving yours soon.

  • 06.23.2011 5:11 PM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: xecnalxes117
Looks like someone went on Wikipedia. Again, If you actually read the book, you'd be agreeing.

I have read the book, kid. It was a good read, has a lot of good information on the Halo Universe as a whole, but the actual topic of Reach's destruction was - I feel - severely underplayed; especially given that was the books namesake. That's like writing a book entitled "Axis of Evil," focusing on how the US troops were mustered and trained, maybe mention a few battles in the Pacific, and then summarizing the fall of Berlin in a chapter

EDIT: And I do not agree, because I have this quirky little ability to not care about conflicting dates written ten years ago, and place that fault on the author, good though he is. Kind of like how Sangheilios is named Sangheilion in The Cole Protocol, or The Flood got several technical issues jumbled up with events in The Cole Protocol, or numerous other issues that occur in the books.

Quit operating under the assumption that everyone who read the books is going to have this over-swollen, prideful infatuation with battling the canon of the Games-Books when there's better things to do in life. Bungie has said that the books are subordinate to the games, and that's perfectly fine with the majority of us.
Posted by: grey101
I would like a main source, and i'll be giving yours soon.

A main source for what, exactly?

[Edited on 06.23.2011 6:43 PM PDT]

  • 06.23.2011 6:37 PM PDT

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"Get in, sit down and shut up." - Halo 3 - random pelican gunner

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Bungie made it, tis canon.

  • 06.23.2011 7:02 PM PDT

I declare you a troll don't agree get over it

  • 06.23.2011 9:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: Terror Q
Agreed. Basing the campaign on the book would have been more awesome, so that´s another weird thing.

Wouldn't translate into anything decent gamewise.

  • 06.23.2011 9:44 PM PDT

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Yes Halo Reach is an heretical story made up by the people of Bungie in order to ruin the Halo Canon, Muahahahaha >:D

  • 06.25.2011 5:21 AM PDT

Didact's Reprisal -
Now is the time of our unworlding
One final effort is all that remains
And I am not afraid
We shall fulfill our promise
We fight for the grace of the Mantle
And this time none of you will be left behind

If I'm not allowed to disagree, doesn't that make your topic a blog and therefore eligible to be locked?

  • 06.25.2011 5:23 AM PDT
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Why should reach be cannon? The story wasn't the main point of the game. It was just a little addition that tryed to be good, but didn't. I don't see why poeple say, "game cannon is greater than book cannon." Books are made for story, games are not.

  • 06.25.2011 5:33 AM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: IZAICK
Books are made for story, games are not.

Where have you been for the last decade? Welcome to the 21st Century, video games have story now.

  • 06.25.2011 5:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dustin 6047
How about you get over it. The only thing I can agree with is why there weren't any ships taking out the Super Carrier. Other than that, you're a troll.


MAC platforms.
Dates.
Cole protocol.
Noble team shouldn't exist.
Dr Halsey.
Pillar of Autumn.

The list goes on..... and on..... and on

  • 06.25.2011 6:08 AM PDT

I DO have time to bleed...i just dont want to.

@JesseJH- i declare you a paranoid troll

  • 06.25.2011 7:04 AM PDT

Honestly, I can't get over that. When we talk about if Halo: Reach is canon the discussion almost always turns to time. Previous stories of Reach say that it was down in a day - August 30. If we keep on the topic of dates, Noble 6 was killed on August 30. Even though the battle of Reach was still extended by a month or so, its not that big of a change. I can easily except it. As for the MAC stations, Reach did not have as many as Earth when it was attacked. Im pretty sure Reach had a very low number of MACs. They could not possibly hope to cover the entire planet. That might be why the assault carrier chose the location it did - there were no MAC stations. I do agree with the ship part though. I'm sure Reach would have had many ships going after the assault carrier immediately when it came in orbit around the planet.

  • 06.25.2011 7:05 AM PDT

I DO have time to bleed...i just dont want to.

the games are ALOT better than the books.the games came out first so its the books that are "wrong"

  • 06.25.2011 7:06 AM PDT


Posted by: jack0fhearts
Summed up really well

  • 06.25.2011 7:11 AM PDT

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Declares Halo: Reach canon on the grounds of bungie stating games take precedent over all other halo related media in regards to canon.

Did you not say it yourself?

tl;dr Halo games are allowed to contradict books, comics, movies ect.

BUNGIE HATH SPOKEN!

-Argument destroyed-

[Edited on 06.25.2011 7:31 AM PDT]

  • 06.25.2011 7:30 AM PDT

I genuinely wonder why Bungie chose to cover Reach, anyway. I'm pretty sure it was known that the book was well received, so why did they not just avoid that specific event, or just bring the book to life with a Bungie spin? If something is loved, and accepted, then it's just strange that you would then take the same event and just change it like that. I understand that it's their creation, but didn't they give Nylund the go-ahead? To which he depicted the tragedy pretty compellingly, between TFoR, and FS books. I wonder why they wanted to just disregard it.

[Edited on 06.25.2011 7:45 AM PDT]

  • 06.25.2011 7:42 AM PDT
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Posted by: jack0fhearts
Posted by: IZAICK
Books are made for story, games are not.

Where have you been for the last decade? Welcome to the 21st Century, video games have story now.

I never said they didn't. I said that is not the purpose of them. If a game wants to go more into the story more, they make a comic or book.

  • 06.25.2011 8:58 AM PDT
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Neither game nor book is automaticly more canon

What IS more canon is what is made first. The books were made first and are NOT fanfic. On the back of my books it sais: (C) 2007 Microsoft Corporation. All Rights Reserved. Microsoft, Bungie, the Bungie logo, Halo, the Halo logo, the Microsofte Game studios logo, Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox live, and the Xbox logos are trademarks of the Microsoft group of companies.

This means that the books are authorised by Bungie.
Canon CAN NOT BE CHANGED once established.

And trying was a VERY bad desicion by bungie.

[Edited on 06.25.2011 10:24 AM PDT]

  • 06.25.2011 10:12 AM PDT

"Real eyes realize real lies."

i agree with Luage...

  • 06.25.2011 10:18 AM PDT
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i agree with Luage...


Thank you

  • 06.25.2011 10:25 AM PDT