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Deva Path
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
We are all going to get banned aren't we?
Posted by: OrderedComa
Posted by: raganok99
OrderedComa
And it makes more sense than the game's account? *snicker* I'm sorry, but Reach, Humanity's strongest world next to Earth falling in a grand total of TWO hours is just plain laughable for reasons both DaeFaron and RKOSnake listed. Given what TFoR itself told about the UNSC defenses at Reach and everything else, the battle for Reach would have lasted a great deal longer than two hours. Taking two weeks to fall to the Covenant makes infinitely more sense!
Clearly, you don't understand at all. Of course, it makes perfect sense! You surely know that Covenant HAD SUPERIOR technology to the UNSC. DO you not realize that Plasma melts through the Titanium-A Battle-Plate like butter?! Or, most of UNSC ships CANNOT survive repeated hits from Covenant ships. (NOTE: Halo CE did not show extensive damages done to PoA because of game engine limitations). You horribly misunderstand about two hours...! Two hours is space battle! Most of UNSC fleet fought against the Covenant Fleet for TWO HOURS, guess what? Who lost? Yeah, UNSC! Then glassing/plasma bombardment started, effectively ending the battle of Reach in a day. However, small ground skirmishes (SPARTANs) lasted a week to two.
Despite strong defenses, Covenant sent overwhelming armies to overrun the Reach. Numbers does play role in the military world. Let's imagine a event: What if a small team of marines fights against the entire army, how I can say? numbers in 100,000? Who would lose? Yeah, a small team of marines would be wiped out because of overwhelming numbers threw against them. Same concept with Reach...
Superior technology does not guarantee victory, especially not for the Covenant, we've seen what the UNSC can do, just because the Covenant have the better technology is not going to assure them an easy win. And numbers do not mean victory either, they sure do help, but it's superior tactics and positioning, among other things, that wins (or at least prolongs) the battle. The UNSC had all of these things, in addition the space battle at Reach was a siege situation, and regardless of weaponry those always last quite a while in comparison to just straight out pitched battle.
The timing of events for the battle in the book is completely ludicrous. For one, figuring in the orbital defenses as well as the full strength of the UNSC navy being present against 314 Covenant ships is even odds. If memory serves me well TFoR states that roughly a third of the Covenant fleet was destroyed by a massive minefield immediately upon engaging UNSC forces. And add in all the greatest military minds the UNSC had at the time, such as Keyes who frequently pulled off the impossible, hell even just the SMACs, the orbital defenses falling in a mere two hours is laughable.
But what's even more laughable is the Generator Complex, Fleet High Command (or whatever it's actual name is), and other high priority UNSC areas falling a short time after the Covenant dropships are at the polls when such locations are on the equator. And not to mention that of the thousands of dropships launched only hundred actually made it down to the planet where they would have been quickly mopped up by the UNSC's airforces. That little gem is truly the most laughable.
And as for your point about superior numbers always coming out ahead of their opponants and beating them with ease, I leave you these two battles to ponder, the Battle of Thermopylae (hardly what I'd call a Persian victory even though they did exterminate the Greek holding the pass) and this battle during one of Israel's early wars against the Arab Nations: Battle of Yad Mordechai. The Israelis had a hundred men armed with only rifles, a medium machine gun, and a PIAT anti-tank weapon. And they held up a force of 25,000 Egyptians who had the support of armor units, artillery, and air support for a full five days.
1. the whole basses of fighting the covenant was that reason coma. give both the UNSC sticks and stones and the UNSC will win. make them 100 percent equal and the UNSC will win, they were losing due to the covenant having better space tech, that was the theme brought up and reinforced constantly.
and remember that this is halo thus you are going to stop relying solely on what is realistic about the events. Technology was the main factor because the UNSC could not replace ships fast as they lost them not to mention they were mainly building frigates (which majority of every fleet is made of) which do not stand up against the standard CCS class.
Don't even get me started on shields and slipspace travel.
2. i re-posted the events of the battle on page 2, which is funny becuase i was talking to you then also.
there are several factors that you aren't taking into account despite you being harshly realistic.
A) reach had no idea they were going to be attacked and were not ready for it
B) Despite having about 150 ships (which still doesn't add up to the needed ratio) the reinforcements were outside the system and arrived far too late.
C) majority of the UNSC ships are frigates in which case 3 are needed to take out a ship. not to mention the larger ships they have are rare,large and slower thus they are a bigger target and are taken out first like the Trafalgar.
D) Armament, seeing how the UNSC relays on projectiles they have the chance of being caught dry in the fight something that doesn't happen with the covenant. ships normally run out of Archer missiles at first sight and are destroyed before they can even use up their macs.
3. exaggeration the only great shipmaster we know of are keyes and cole.
4. it was stated that hundreds must have gotten through not only 100. which is actually an extremely good number that i doubt they thought about.
spirits can hold 30 troops each so if a single hundred of them got through that would be 3000 troops which would indeed be thousands. not to mention 200 ghosts or 100 wraiths
Phantoms can hold about 27 troops along with 2 ghosts or a wraith. so we have 2700 infantry;200 ghost' or 100 wraiths.
so regardless if even 200-300 mixed dropships got by that would mean several generators would be overrun and that is now established.
5. nothing was stated about the UNSC airforce until we say wombats in ODST. before then we thought they disbanded in halo so ether they were wiped out or thye just were not on reach. even so the plasma from the dropships would just melt them anyway