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I just want to highlight a couple of extremely stupid things said in this thread...

Posted by: Hydrilus

In the book, when a Marine gets hit with a single plasma shot, he's pretty much done for. It sears away the weak armor they wear and then eats away their flesh. THAT is realistic...BUT, of course in the game this wouldn't work...it wouldn't be very much fun to have marines that die in one shot... Even games like Call of Duty that take a more realistic approach to warfare won't let you die in one shot. You can take hit after hit in a game and keep on going.


Basically, what is said here is that because one book says something, it beats EVERY SINGLE HALO GAME. Halo: CE, 2, 3, Reach, ODST... in all of those, it takes multiple Covie shots to kill a Marine. You say that because the book says it should take one, it takes one. I mean, come on. Games beat books for canon every time. One book can't override EVERY GAME.

Posted by: Hydrilus
So, when Reach falls in a matter of hours...YES, IT'S BELIEVABLE. The Covenant arrive with a huge fleet of superior ships, vs humans, who, in order to take out ONE Covie ship, must sacrifice 3 or 4 of their own...yeah, you're gonna get raped hard.


Reach could not be glassed in less than 2 hours, no ship can move that fast.

Posted by: Hydrilus
If the U.S. didn't give a crap about Iraq, Afghanistan, oil or what anyone in the world thought of us, you think we'd really spend 10+ years fighting there? Hell no. All that's left is revenge for 9/11 - we would have bombed the place to hell and been done by the end of a the day.


Bombed AN ENTIRE COUNTRY in a day? Are you stupid? I get your point, but the US could not bomb an entire country in a day any more than the Covenant could glass an entire planet in 2 hours. NEITHER is even remotely possible. Before anyone says anything about atomic bombs, grow a brain, because we're talking upwards of 500000 square miles, combining Iraq and Afghanistan.


Posted by: grey101

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Sorry.

Games Canon > Any other Canon.


not true what soever seeing how they games have to have things implemented so people will by them, catering, gameplay elements, etc.


What the -blam!- did that even MEAN???


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: jack0fhearts
It's assumed that canonically the Marines die.


This is the clear issue with Games>books, can you tell me what happens canonically to the civilians in nightfall? becuase i don't think bungie said anything about them, what about the zealot on TotS?

this is the flaw with that logic.


When it is obvious to the plot that the marines die (HINT: THEY'RE NOT THERE IN THE CUTSCENE - GO FIGURE), then they die. Anyone with an ounce of a brain can figure out when it's relevant to the plot and when it's not. This thread is basically people like you whining about small inconsistencies that can be resolved with small assumptions, but those would require half a brain, which is very rare on this forum.


1. that is not what is being said and you are making a wild assumption on his post. He was speaking of the gameplay elements in the video games which are not taken as canon becuase of such. his example is true (odd because i used the same on) canon wise a PP would melt through your body yet in the games nothing happens, why? because we aren't advanced enough for that to happen in games yet, and becuase it wouldn't be fun to die right instantly after your shields fail.

2.He didn't say anything about glassing and the covenant do not glass entire planets.

3.Actually with he amount of nuclear missiles/bombs and ICBMs the USA has they could literately bomb an entire small sized country (maybe medium sized). but since that will never happen there is no need to talk about it.

4.redirect to point one.

5.I was giving an example and i do know in canon the marines die (bigest the ship is destroyed). but the things that aren't clear are; do the civilians on nightfall live, does the zealot get away,how many civilians are killed by brutes on exodus,etc

we can't clearly say what is what becuase all of that is depended on your choices, hell if you really wanted to get technical you could say the number of armymen that die each level aren't accounted for in canon ether.

those are gameplay events that hinder canon, something that isn't stopped in the books. Which is why i personally wish each game had a book based off of it so we knew this things.

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Posted by: grey101
1. give me a link to the join op because GoO clearly states that the SIIIs are under army jurisdiction, bungie said noble team is army also. so give me a link

"The SPARTAN-III program was a project initiated by the Beta-5 Division of the Office of Naval Intelligence's Section-III"
The Spartan III's are Navy. They report to an Army officer (Ackerson) by default, unless ONI dictates otherwise.
Posted by: grey101
2.I don;t recall spartans flying fighters until the game came out ether. link to a statment saying they are navy. otherwise i think both of us should leave that section alone.

"the nearest nonexistent launch site in the nonexistent Sabre Program, dismissed by three administrations as preposterous rumor. And in which our newest member was certainly never a pilot."
Not all Spartans, just Six. However, what does John-117 escape on in Halo: Combat Evolved? A Longsword class fighter. Spartans are trained and authorized with all UNSC arms and vehicles.
Posted by: grey101
3.um it is highly relevant. the book came out october 30 and HCE came out november 15, thus it was out before the game. you have yet to tell me what game GoO is based off of, and tell me what game cryptum is based on also.

It. Does. Not. Matter. The Books came out on October 30th, yes, but at that point Combat Evolved was done. It is the exact damn thing as what happens with games based on movies. It is marketing. You cannot deny (unless there is an overwhelming amount of pride,) that the books clearly say "Based on the game."
Ghosts of Onyx and Cryptum? They cover material introduced by the games, thus they are based off the games. Are you seeing the pattern here?


1.in which they answer directly to ackerson who is army, do i need to go get Goo and start pulling page numbers and quotes?

2.the flaw is the other spartan IIIs didn't know how to fly the sabres and if they were all trained to use all UNSC equipment then 6 wouldn't have been the only one.
Which was never explained ether.

The SIIs learning that stuff was so they wouldn't be stuck in a circumstance in which they wouldn't be able to do something becuase they don't know how to do it. and in the case they were sent on mission that needed it such as Grey team piloting a prowler.

not to mention john wasn't flying around taking out ships in the Longsword, he just used it to get off of halo and to jack the AJ. 6 was our little starfighter, in which my post was talking about.


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Posted by: grey101
1. give me a link to the join op because GoO clearly states that the SIIIs are under army jurisdiction, bungie said noble team is army also. so give me a link

"The SPARTAN-III program was a project initiated by the Beta-5 Division of the Office of Naval Intelligence's Section-III"
The Spartan III's are Navy. They report to an Army officer (Ackerson) by default, unless ONI dictates otherwise.
Posted by: grey101
2.I don;t recall spartans flying fighters until the game came out ether. link to a statment saying they are navy. otherwise i think both of us should leave that section alone.

"the nearest nonexistent launch site in the nonexistent Sabre Program, dismissed by three administrations as preposterous rumor. And in which our newest member was certainly never a pilot."
Not all Spartans, just Six. However, what does John-117 escape on in Halo: Combat Evolved? A Longsword class fighter. Spartans are trained and authorized with all UNSC arms and vehicles.
Posted by: grey101
3.um it is highly relevant. the book came out october 30 and HCE came out november 15, thus it was out before the game. you have yet to tell me what game GoO is based off of, and tell me what game cryptum is based on also.

It. Does. Not. Matter. The Books came out on October 30th, yes, but at that point Combat Evolved was done. It is the exact damn thing as what happens with games based on movies. It is marketing. You cannot deny (unless there is an overwhelming amount of pride,) that the books clearly say "Based on the game."
Ghosts of Onyx and Cryptum? They cover material introduced by the games, thus they are based off the games. Are you seeing the pattern here?


again it is relevant. the game was done but not in stores yet therefore the only canon was the canon established by the book. the book was also made to where it wouldn't contradict other the games, in which reach the game contradicts the book.

you are the one that keeps saying the books are based off the games. There is nothing in the games that GoO touches on in regards to the spartan IIIs or onyx. we didn't know about until the book.

and absolute nothing was known about the forerunners from the games other than they built halo and they have a connection to humanity.

this is where i asked what games specifically were those books based on so i can brush up on my SIII and forerunner canon since the games are the main source.

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Thank you sir, that was an epic rendition of this topic.


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Posted by: raganok99
Whoever said that game canon overrides the book canon is purely idiotic.

Then how can a Marine withstand multiple plasma hits? In books, plasma weapons MELT THROUGH THE ARMOR AND BURN THE FLESH WHICH MARINE DIES! Not hard to grasp.

Seems that whoever is defending the Halo: Reach's inconsistencies and errors is purely ignorant fan-boy. True Halo Fans truly know what difference of canon is. For example, game mechanics, glitches, etc is not canon. Only canon is storyline.

And it does matter that The Fall of Reach came out two weeks BEFORE Halo CE was released. I think that Game canon does not need to override the book canon. Technically, Game canon overriding book canon is what caused Halo universe to have too many problems and messed up stuff there.


Did you even look at who the source was? Yes, the original source and quote were incorrect, but the fact still remains that Joseph Staten said...

- The games rank first
- Published materials (books, comics, soundtrack liner notes etc.) rank second
- Marketing and PR materials third

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Posted by: grey101
you do know your link does not say g>b right? staten just says they can fix what they do not like (and they did) the novel reach was and has not been "fixed" to stand with the game.

you do know Joseph Staten personally wrote contact harvest correct? and when games completely element gameplay elements they will then be "better" then the books.

becuase in the game nothing happens if you shoot a marine with a plasma pistol to the stomach, yet in the book CH everything pretty much falls out of said stomach.


Yes, I'm aware that Staten wrote Contact Harvest. I had the wrong link I apologize.

The correct source and quote is here, said once again by Staten.

Said by: Joseph Staten
- The games rank first
- Published materials (books, comics, soundtrack liner notes etc.) rank second
- Marketing and PR materials third


I would also like to point out that this is exactly what I said, and that I have had to show people they're wrong many a time.

Also: Your comment about shooting a Marine in the stomach with a Plasma Pistol is completely irrelevant. Do you know why? It's called GAME DESIGN. If all your allies turn into puddles after being shot a single time, they're useless and might as well not be there at all. Allies are put with you in the game to help you, and in Halo your allies can help you a considerable amount if you give them good weapons and work to keep them alive. If it were made to be realistic where they would all be bleeding out after a small firefight, all get shrapnel in their eyes from a single explosion, or all fall out of your Warthog and get crushed to death when you flip...YOU WOULD COMPLAIN.

Do you want a good example of this? Look at the Operation Flashpoint games. They're made to be realistic and they get poor reviews because people are impatient and suck at actual tactics, so they're better with Call of Duty's level of "realism".

If the game was more realistic, the sidearms wouldn't fire 12.7mm rounds, they'd fire something more along the lines of .40 or .45, and they definitely wouldn't be explosive. You know what else? The MA5B's realistic magazine size would be less than 20 rounds due to how short it is. Halo 1 just got a whole hell of a lot less fun, huh?

Realism isn't fun. That's why "realistic" games include unrealistic things.


everything you said reinforced my point about gameplay elements and the fact things need to be put in the game so people have fun. thus as long as these are around the games can not be the only and number first,second, and third source of canon.

The books establish the canon and expanded on the lore.

The games provide the visual experiences of the books (being able to see everything) while also expanding the lore.

they go hand and hand. red faction is an amazing universe but do you know how bad it "sucks" becuase there are no books to help explain events and give backstory

At the same time the series eragon (imo and a random example) is rich with lore and story but "sucks" becuase i have no idea what things look like and how they act.

You need bot books and games.

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Posted by: raganok99
Whoever said that game canon overrides the book canon is purely idiotic.

Then how can a Marine withstand multiple plasma hits? In books, plasma weapons MELT THROUGH THE ARMOR AND BURN THE FLESH WHICH MARINE DIES! Not hard to grasp.

Seems that whoever is defending the Halo: Reach's inconsistencies and errors is purely ignorant fan-boy. True Halo Fans truly know what difference of canon is. For example, game mechanics, glitches, etc is not canon. Only canon is storyline.

And it does matter that The Fall of Reach came out two weeks BEFORE Halo CE was released. I think that Game canon does not need to override the book canon. Technically, Game canon overriding book canon is what caused Halo universe to have too many problems and messed up stuff there.


Did you even look at who the source was? Yes, the original source and quote were incorrect, but the fact still remains that Joseph Staten said...

- The games rank first
- Published materials (books, comics, soundtrack liner notes etc.) rank second
- Marketing and PR materials third


I am sure games>books when they conflict (not like that is any better) not in general. i believe that was stated in Fear"s guide to canon thread.

If that was a legitimate statement, Games>books is just as horribly paraphrased as AIs only living for 7 years.

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Posted by: Sp4rt4n119
Thank you sir, that was an epic rendition of this topic.


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Posted by: grey101

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Posted by: grey101
you do know your link does not say g>b right? staten just says they can fix what they do not like (and they did) the novel reach was and has not been "fixed" to stand with the game.

you do know Joseph Staten personally wrote contact harvest correct? and when games completely element gameplay elements they will then be "better" then the books.

becuase in the game nothing happens if you shoot a marine with a plasma pistol to the stomach, yet in the book CH everything pretty much falls out of said stomach.


Yes, I'm aware that Staten wrote Contact Harvest. I had the wrong link I apologize.

The correct source and quote is here, said once again by Staten.

Said by: Joseph Staten
- The games rank first
- Published materials (books, comics, soundtrack liner notes etc.) rank second
- Marketing and PR materials third


I would also like to point out that this is exactly what I said, and that I have had to show people they're wrong many a time.

Also: Your comment about shooting a Marine in the stomach with a Plasma Pistol is completely irrelevant. Do you know why? It's called GAME DESIGN. If all your allies turn into puddles after being shot a single time, they're useless and might as well not be there at all. Allies are put with you in the game to help you, and in Halo your allies can help you a considerable amount if you give them good weapons and work to keep them alive. If it were made to be realistic where they would all be bleeding out after a small firefight, all get shrapnel in their eyes from a single explosion, or all fall out of your Warthog and get crushed to death when you flip...YOU WOULD COMPLAIN.

Do you want a good example of this? Look at the Operation Flashpoint games. They're made to be realistic and they get poor reviews because people are impatient and suck at actual tactics, so they're better with Call of Duty's level of "realism".

If the game was more realistic, the sidearms wouldn't fire 12.7mm rounds, they'd fire something more along the lines of .40 or .45, and they definitely wouldn't be explosive. You know what else? The MA5B's realistic magazine size would be less than 20 rounds due to how short it is. Halo 1 just got a whole hell of a lot less fun, huh?

Realism isn't fun. That's why "realistic" games include unrealistic things.


everything you said reinforced my point about gameplay elements and the fact things need to be put in the game so people have fun. thus as long as these are around the games can not be the only and number first,second, and third source of canon.

The books establish the canon and expanded on the lore.

The games provide the visual experiences of the books (being able to see everything) while also expanding the lore.

they go hand and hand. red faction is an amazing universe but do you know how bad it "sucks" becuase there are no books to help explain events and give backstory

At the same time the series eragon (imo and a random example) is rich with lore and story but "sucks" becuase i have no idea what things look like and how they act.

You need bot books and games.


And you ignore the point that I have proven that game canon overrides book canon.

I never said the books weren't good, and I never said that the books weren't necessary. I like the books, and I'm disappointed that I can't find the time to read through them again. What I'm saying is that YES, Reach is canon. End of story. As of right now, Reach is the "most" canon piece of Halo there is.

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I didn't ignore it i answered it at the top of the page. The fact of whether or not you like my answer does not mean i didn't answer.

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Posted by: grey101
you do know your link does not say g>b right? staten just says they can fix what they do not like (and they did) the novel reach was and has not been "fixed" to stand with the game.

you do know Joseph Staten personally wrote contact harvest correct? and when games completely element gameplay elements they will then be "better" then the books.

becuase in the game nothing happens if you shoot a marine with a plasma pistol to the stomach, yet in the book CH everything pretty much falls out of said stomach.


Yes, I'm aware that Staten wrote Contact Harvest. I had the wrong link I apologize.

The correct source and quote is here, said once again by Staten.

Said by: Joseph Staten
- The games rank first
- Published materials (books, comics, soundtrack liner notes etc.) rank second
- Marketing and PR materials third


I would also like to point out that this is exactly what I said, and that I have had to show people they're wrong many a time.

Also: Your comment about shooting a Marine in the stomach with a Plasma Pistol is completely irrelevant. Do you know why? It's called GAME DESIGN. If all your allies turn into puddles after being shot a single time, they're useless and might as well not be there at all. Allies are put with you in the game to help you, and in Halo your allies can help you a considerable amount if you give them good weapons and work to keep them alive. If it were made to be realistic where they would all be bleeding out after a small firefight, all get shrapnel in their eyes from a single explosion, or all fall out of your Warthog and get crushed to death when you flip...YOU WOULD COMPLAIN.

Do you want a good example of this? Look at the Operation Flashpoint games. They're made to be realistic and they get poor reviews because people are impatient and suck at actual tactics, so they're better with Call of Duty's level of "realism".

If the game was more realistic, the sidearms wouldn't fire 12.7mm rounds, they'd fire something more along the lines of .40 or .45, and they definitely wouldn't be explosive. You know what else? The MA5B's realistic magazine size would be less than 20 rounds due to how short it is. Halo 1 just got a whole hell of a lot less fun, huh?

Realism isn't fun. That's why "realistic" games include unrealistic things.


everything you said reinforced my point about gameplay elements and the fact things need to be put in the game so people have fun. thus as long as these are around the games can not be the only and number first,second, and third source of canon.

The books establish the canon and expanded on the lore.

The games provide the visual experiences of the books (being able to see everything) while also expanding the lore.

they go hand and hand. red faction is an amazing universe but do you know how bad it "sucks" becuase there are no books to help explain events and give backstory

At the same time the series eragon (imo and a random example) is rich with lore and story but "sucks" becuase i have no idea what things look like and how they act.

You need bot books and games.


And you ignore the point that I have proven that game canon overrides book canon.

I never said the books weren't good, and I never said that the books weren't necessary. I like the books, and I'm disappointed that I can't find the time to read through them again. What I'm saying is that YES, Reach is canon. End of story. As of right now, Reach is the "most" canon piece of Halo there is.


Actually, in my opinion that canon policy needs to be changed little bit. How about Game canon and book canon being first while rest of material, etc is second? It would help a lot.

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Posted by: raganok99
Whoever said that game canon overrides the book canon is purely idiotic.


Those idiotic people who said that were Bungie. They are the people in charge of canon.

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Posted by: raganok99
Whoever said that game canon overrides the book canon is purely idiotic.


Those idiotic people who said that were Bungie. They are the people in charge of canon.


Not anymore, since Bungie is leaving Halo. It's possibility that 343 industries may be winding up to tweaking the canon policy. I think. You don't have to take it as fact, just my speculation, that's all.

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Posted by: raganok99
Whoever said that game canon overrides the book canon is purely idiotic.


Those idiotic people who said that were Bungie. They are the people in charge of canon.


Amusing how back when the rule was made, during CE times, everybody was fine with it. However now that Reach came out it's a massively retarded rule and should be thrown out.

Anyway, I've listed my reasons why Reach falling within 2-3 hours is crazy.

A: UNSC generators/command zones were taken down BEFORE the space battle was over.
B: Somehow hundreds of dropships, after loosing a massive chunk of their numbers, fly from the poles to said locations in under 2-3 hours, and know EXACTLY what forces remain, no regrouping at all.
C: UNSC Air force is described as doing jack squat. The Skyhawks with anti-tank missiles and 4 50mm cannons? Yeah they all sat in bases instead of being deployed to harass and destroy the enemy dropships the unsc had on sensors according to the book version.

Sure the Spartan groups may have fought for a week or so until MC arrived, but the actual ground major fights? Over in the same timespan as the space battle.

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Posted by: Maimum FEAR

Posted by: raganok99
Whoever said that game canon overrides the book canon is purely idiotic.


Those idiotic people who said that were Bungie. They are the people in charge of canon.


Amusing how back when the rule was made, during CE times, everybody was fine with it. However now that Reach came out it's a massively retarded rule and should be thrown out.

Anyway, I've listed my reasons why Reach falling within 2-3 hours is crazy.



The ground engagements lasted 2 weeks it was the space battle that was over in two hours.

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Posted by: grey101

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Posted by: Maimum FEAR

Posted by: raganok99
Whoever said that game canon overrides the book canon is purely idiotic.


Those idiotic people who said that were Bungie. They are the people in charge of canon.


Amusing how back when the rule was made, during CE times, everybody was fine with it. However now that Reach came out it's a massively retarded rule and should be thrown out.

Anyway, I've listed my reasons why Reach falling within 2-3 hours is crazy.



The ground engagements lasted 2 weeks it was the space battle that was over in two hours.



But high command, the main armory, and the generators fell before Keyes even left orbit. All three locations being the heaviest guarded, or at least should have been.

In the book, the ground battle was underwhelming, and seemed more like UNSC were utter fools instead of Covenant were strong.

[Edited on 06.23.2011 3:16 PM PDT]

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Book wise keyes never landed on reach.

Still heavily guarded but what do you expect against thousands of covenant troops? not to mention they weren't expecting to be attacked, he have no idea what time of day this was taking place but regardless of that they were caught off guard.

I think you guys are expecting way too much out of this.

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If only people looked at the halo wiki.....then this thread wouldn't exist.

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Posted by: JinjaBaker45
If only people looked at the halo wiki.....then this thread wouldn't exist.


that isn't any better. i was re-reading the book today and the page for it is was very wrong so i had to fix somethings.

not to mention they have not updated the site with cryptum info.

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Posted by: grey101
Book wise keyes never landed on reach.

Still heavily guarded but what do you expect against thousands of covenant troops? not to mention they weren't expecting to be attacked, he have no idea what time of day this was taking place but regardless of that they were caught off guard.

I think you guys are expecting way too much out of this.


If you read my bullet points, the surviving hundreds out of thousands of dropships launched magically regroup and reorganize, then fly from the poles to those targets in under 2-3 hours while not being attacked at all by the UNSC air force despite the fact the UNSC were tracking the dropships?

And I'm talking purely book version with these points.

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Posted by: grey101
Book wise keyes never landed on reach.

Still heavily guarded but what do you expect against thousands of covenant troops? not to mention they weren't expecting to be attacked, he have no idea what time of day this was taking place but regardless of that they were caught off guard.

I think you guys are expecting way too much out of this.


If you read my bullet points, the surviving hundreds out of thousands of dropships launched magically regroup and reorganize, then fly from the poles to those targets in under 2-3 hours while not being attacked at all by the UNSC air force despite the fact the UNSC were tracking the dropships?

And I'm talking purely book version with these points.


they didn't even do all of that unless this was changed.

In my version the covenant left to regroup and the UNSC were puzzled to why. They then notice hundreds of dropships heading for the poles, split the 20 ships left into 2 groups and each goes to a pole to counter this.

The dropships had a headstart on the UNSC in the race towards the planet. Nothing (in my version) was said about them grouping and or organizing, it just said the dropships went for the poles.

I would say this is around the hour mark and we have no idea where the SMAC generators are. just becuase they headed to the poles doesn't mean they got went to the poles.

  • 06.23.2011 3:40 PM PDT

I know, that's the issue grey. They are mentioned loosing a chunk of the dropships, yet deploy these overwhelming forces as if it's no big deal a chunk of their number is gone and they may have lost half their armor, or the zealot in charge of the force.

It's like if 15 pelicans (5 having tanks, the rest holding warthogs, all having full load of marines) were flying to a drop zone and 6 got shot down, they would stop a short while to regroup and figure out what was lost. True that'd take a short time, but for hundreds of dropships? Longer.

  • 06.23.2011 3:49 PM PDT

Am I supposed to write something funny here?


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: grey101
Book wise keyes never landed on reach.

Still heavily guarded but what do you expect against thousands of covenant troops? not to mention they weren't expecting to be attacked, he have no idea what time of day this was taking place but regardless of that they were caught off guard.

I think you guys are expecting way too much out of this.


If you read my bullet points, the surviving hundreds out of thousands of dropships launched magically regroup and reorganize, then fly from the poles to those targets in under 2-3 hours while not being attacked at all by the UNSC air force despite the fact the UNSC were tracking the dropships?

And I'm talking purely book version with these points.


they didn't even do all of that unless this was changed.

In my version the covenant left to regroup and the UNSC were puzzled to why. They then notice hundreds of dropships heading for the poles, split the 20 ships left into 2 groups and each goes to a pole to counter this.

The dropships had a headstart on the UNSC in the race towards the planet. Nothing (in my version) was said about them grouping and or organizing, it just said the dropships went for the poles.

I would say this is around the hour mark and we have no idea where the SMAC generators are. just becuase they headed to the poles doesn't mean they got went to the poles.

But why no aircraft were scrambled?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

For the record i am talking with you not arguing against you.

I just re-read the dropship part and while they were destroyed keyes states hundreds must have gotten through.

I am thinking they were more organized than we are giving them credit for. DPs from each ship have there own orders thus everything could be covered?

I am not sure,really.

  • 06.23.2011 3:57 PM PDT

Lol, yeah I'm trying to keep this civil grey lol.

It's just something I noticed when I look back at, the lack of Air Force scrambling and stuff :/.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

well you brought up a fair point i can't really explain, good job.

  • 06.23.2011 4:03 PM PDT