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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
We are all going to get banned aren't we?
Posted by: billy991
I just want to highlight a couple of extremely stupid things said in this thread...
Posted by: Hydrilus
In the book, when a Marine gets hit with a single plasma shot, he's pretty much done for. It sears away the weak armor they wear and then eats away their flesh. THAT is realistic...BUT, of course in the game this wouldn't work...it wouldn't be very much fun to have marines that die in one shot... Even games like Call of Duty that take a more realistic approach to warfare won't let you die in one shot. You can take hit after hit in a game and keep on going.
Basically, what is said here is that because one book says something, it beats EVERY SINGLE HALO GAME. Halo: CE, 2, 3, Reach, ODST... in all of those, it takes multiple Covie shots to kill a Marine. You say that because the book says it should take one, it takes one. I mean, come on. Games beat books for canon every time. One book can't override EVERY GAME.
Posted by: Hydrilus
So, when Reach falls in a matter of hours...YES, IT'S BELIEVABLE. The Covenant arrive with a huge fleet of superior ships, vs humans, who, in order to take out ONE Covie ship, must sacrifice 3 or 4 of their own...yeah, you're gonna get raped hard.
Reach could not be glassed in less than 2 hours, no ship can move that fast.
Posted by: Hydrilus
If the U.S. didn't give a crap about Iraq, Afghanistan, oil or what anyone in the world thought of us, you think we'd really spend 10+ years fighting there? Hell no. All that's left is revenge for 9/11 - we would have bombed the place to hell and been done by the end of a the day.
Bombed AN ENTIRE COUNTRY in a day? Are you stupid? I get your point, but the US could not bomb an entire country in a day any more than the Covenant could glass an entire planet in 2 hours. NEITHER is even remotely possible. Before anyone says anything about atomic bombs, grow a brain, because we're talking upwards of 500000 square miles, combining Iraq and Afghanistan.
Posted by: grey101
Posted by: abelsinh
Sorry.
Games Canon > Any other Canon.
not true what soever seeing how they games have to have things implemented so people will by them, catering, gameplay elements, etc.
What the -blam!- did that even MEAN???
Posted by: grey101
Posted by: jack0fhearts
It's assumed that canonically the Marines die.
This is the clear issue with Games>books, can you tell me what happens canonically to the civilians in nightfall? becuase i don't think bungie said anything about them, what about the zealot on TotS?
this is the flaw with that logic.
When it is obvious to the plot that the marines die (HINT: THEY'RE NOT THERE IN THE CUTSCENE - GO FIGURE), then they die. Anyone with an ounce of a brain can figure out when it's relevant to the plot and when it's not. This thread is basically people like you whining about small inconsistencies that can be resolved with small assumptions, but those would require half a brain, which is very rare on this forum.
1. that is not what is being said and you are making a wild assumption on his post. He was speaking of the gameplay elements in the video games which are not taken as canon becuase of such. his example is true (odd because i used the same on) canon wise a PP would melt through your body yet in the games nothing happens, why? because we aren't advanced enough for that to happen in games yet, and becuase it wouldn't be fun to die right instantly after your shields fail.
2.He didn't say anything about glassing and the covenant do not glass entire planets.
3.Actually with he amount of nuclear missiles/bombs and ICBMs the USA has they could literately bomb an entire small sized country (maybe medium sized). but since that will never happen there is no need to talk about it.
4.redirect to point one.
5.I was giving an example and i do know in canon the marines die (bigest the ship is destroyed). but the things that aren't clear are; do the civilians on nightfall live, does the zealot get away,how many civilians are killed by brutes on exodus,etc
we can't clearly say what is what becuase all of that is depended on your choices, hell if you really wanted to get technical you could say the number of armymen that die each level aren't accounted for in canon ether.
those are gameplay events that hinder canon, something that isn't stopped in the books. Which is why i personally wish each game had a book based off of it so we knew this things.
Posted by: jack0fhearts
Posted by: grey101
1. give me a link to the join op because GoO clearly states that the SIIIs are under army jurisdiction, bungie said noble team is army also. so give me a link
"The SPARTAN-III program was a project initiated by the Beta-5 Division of the Office of Naval Intelligence's Section-III"
The Spartan III's are Navy. They report to an Army officer (Ackerson) by default, unless ONI dictates otherwise.
Posted by: grey101
2.I don;t recall spartans flying fighters until the game came out ether. link to a statment saying they are navy. otherwise i think both of us should leave that section alone.
"the nearest nonexistent launch site in the nonexistent Sabre Program, dismissed by three administrations as preposterous rumor. And in which our newest member was certainly never a pilot."
Not all Spartans, just Six. However, what does John-117 escape on in Halo: Combat Evolved? A Longsword class fighter. Spartans are trained and authorized with all UNSC arms and vehicles.
Posted by: grey101
3.um it is highly relevant. the book came out october 30 and HCE came out november 15, thus it was out before the game. you have yet to tell me what game GoO is based off of, and tell me what game cryptum is based on also.
It. Does. Not. Matter. The Books came out on October 30th, yes, but at that point Combat Evolved was done. It is the exact damn thing as what happens with games based on movies. It is marketing. You cannot deny (unless there is an overwhelming amount of pride,) that the books clearly say "Based on the game."
Ghosts of Onyx and Cryptum? They cover material introduced by the games, thus they are based off the games. Are you seeing the pattern here?
1.in which they answer directly to ackerson who is army, do i need to go get Goo and start pulling page numbers and quotes?
2.the flaw is the other spartan IIIs didn't know how to fly the sabres and if they were all trained to use all UNSC equipment then 6 wouldn't have been the only one.
Which was never explained ether.
The SIIs learning that stuff was so they wouldn't be stuck in a circumstance in which they wouldn't be able to do something becuase they don't know how to do it. and in the case they were sent on mission that needed it such as Grey team piloting a prowler.
not to mention john wasn't flying around taking out ships in the Longsword, he just used it to get off of halo and to jack the AJ. 6 was our little starfighter, in which my post was talking about.
Posted by: jack0fhearts
Posted by: grey101
1. give me a link to the join op because GoO clearly states that the SIIIs are under army jurisdiction, bungie said noble team is army also. so give me a link
"The SPARTAN-III program was a project initiated by the Beta-5 Division of the Office of Naval Intelligence's Section-III"
The Spartan III's are Navy. They report to an Army officer (Ackerson) by default, unless ONI dictates otherwise.
Posted by: grey101
2.I don;t recall spartans flying fighters until the game came out ether. link to a statment saying they are navy. otherwise i think both of us should leave that section alone.
"the nearest nonexistent launch site in the nonexistent Sabre Program, dismissed by three administrations as preposterous rumor. And in which our newest member was certainly never a pilot."
Not all Spartans, just Six. However, what does John-117 escape on in Halo: Combat Evolved? A Longsword class fighter. Spartans are trained and authorized with all UNSC arms and vehicles.
Posted by: grey101
3.um it is highly relevant. the book came out october 30 and HCE came out november 15, thus it was out before the game. you have yet to tell me what game GoO is based off of, and tell me what game cryptum is based on also.
It. Does. Not. Matter. The Books came out on October 30th, yes, but at that point Combat Evolved was done. It is the exact damn thing as what happens with games based on movies. It is marketing. You cannot deny (unless there is an overwhelming amount of pride,) that the books clearly say "Based on the game."
Ghosts of Onyx and Cryptum? They cover material introduced by the games, thus they are based off the games. Are you seeing the pattern here?
again it is relevant. the game was done but not in stores yet therefore the only canon was the canon established by the book. the book was also made to where it wouldn't contradict other the games, in which reach the game contradicts the book.
you are the one that keeps saying the books are based off the games. There is nothing in the games that GoO touches on in regards to the spartan IIIs or onyx. we didn't know about until the book.
and absolute nothing was known about the forerunners from the games other than they built halo and they have a connection to humanity.
this is where i asked what games specifically were those books based on so i can brush up on my SIII and forerunner canon since the games are the main source.