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Subject: Halo: Reach is ONI propaganda

Propaganda? Not likely.

A reconstruction of the actual things: Yes, as stated in the letter that comes with Halsey's Journal.

So in a way, we didn't even get to play on Reach ourselves, but played a reconstruction of those events that has been made later on in the timeline.
Being a reconstruction its fair to say its not a 100% accurate representation of what has actually happened on Reach (which would explain/cover up some canon errors, which is a completely fine and acceptable construction to me).

But propaganda? No, because there is no use for it to be propaganda if the War is over and we've got a very vulnerable alliance (or cease fire to be honest) with the Elites. Besides: the "game" and Journal were send to a single individual (probably a researcher) and not broadcasted or distributed amongst the public, which is crucial for something to be propaganda.

  • 07.04.2011 11:03 AM PDT

I sort of agree with this. Personally, I've always thought ONI had a hand in the way the canon events/timeline of Reach was portrayed.

  • 07.04.2011 11:26 AM PDT

nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, but recent studies show space can do what ever the !blam! it wants

i have thought the same way, but i believe the book fall of reach is the one that is "oni edited". it can be explained better about reach falling in a day compaired to a month from the game. split the events into two invasions, the first one ends with the destruction of the supercarrier. during this time the covenant is content if a smaller invasion to discover forerunner technology and remove it if possible. This is in why they brought so many scarabs. the second invasion was to remove the human population, they also brought more scarabs. They would most likely not have bothered with a ground invasion if there were no forerunner artifacts to be found.

i believe this oni just did not want every one to know about the first invasion due to the sensitive nature of the forerunner artifacts.

moral thinking i rather think i just got my butt kicked around for a bit than have my butt probed for a few weeks for a deadly weapon then get kicked around

  • 07.04.2011 2:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

To be completely honest the canon policy of bungies time with game>books makes the books propaganda seeing how the UNSC atleast put up a fight.

In the game they don't have MACs, the planet was taken over by corvettes, homefleet was destroyed by a single SC,etc


not that i am supporting the game it is disrespectful in so many ways

  • 07.04.2011 2:16 PM PDT

nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, but recent studies show space can do what ever the !blam! it wants

for got to add, why put in properganda when it is from one spy to another in the same agency. it would be like one cia guy telling another cia guy that so and so was dead when he really is alive

  • 07.04.2011 2:19 PM PDT

nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, but recent studies show space can do what ever the !blam! it wants

it makes sense. when you look for an invasionary force you look for a large group of ships, not one. it could be the original supercarrier came in slowly on a coarse similar to that of an meteor. if the singular object was seen it would have been mistaken for an astoriod or space junk, be no point to shoot at it. the game never stated that there were no orbital mac platforms, it just did not have as many as earth did when regret came knocking. it also helped earth is smaller than reach, more plate forms, less space... equals tighter firing groups.

  • 07.04.2011 2:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: therizino
it makes sense. when you look for an invasionary force you look for a large group of ships, not one. it could be the original supercarrier came in slowly on a coarse similar to that of an meteor. if the singular object was seen it would have been mistaken for an astoriod or space junk, be no point to shoot at it. the game never stated that there were no orbital mac platforms, it just did not have as many as earth did when regret came knocking. it also helped earth is smaller than reach, more plate forms, less space... equals tighter firing groups.


If the SC did that it still would have been spotted it is 16 miles long, you don't miss that.

With recent discoveries the lack of action says they didn't.

Even if they were on one side of the planet they were geosynchronous which (i believe) means they should be moving around with the planet

  • 07.04.2011 2:30 PM PDT

nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, but recent studies show space can do what ever the !blam! it wants

i am refering to approaching the planet, a slow decaying orbit to reach would have just picked up and logged by A.I.s as a planetoid. you would thing we today would spot some of the astoriods coming near us, and often they dont until after it passes by.

once the carrier makes it to the planet it could have hid at one of the magnetic poles to mask it from. i believe i read some did one of the books that it does work in the halo universe.

  • 07.04.2011 2:55 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
To be completely honest the canon policy of bungies time with game>books makes the books propaganda seeing how the UNSC atleast put up a fight.

In the game they don't have MACs, the planet was taken over by corvettes, homefleet was destroyed by a single SC,etc


not that i am supporting the game it is disrespectful in so many ways


Orbital defenses are referenced a few times in the campaign. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Planet wasn't taken over, I never got that feeling before LNOS. Maybe after when battlecruisers were involved, but not before.
Also didn't get the feeling the entire homefleet was destroyed. Sounded more like the supercarrier smacked everything near it down and stayed put.

Then again, the book is, in a sense, just as foolish. All the supermacs were in a single location in orbit, the UNSC air force and ground defenses never mobilized, UNSC command was taken down within a few hours of the dropships reaching the poles despite heavy loses on the Covenant dropship numbers.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: therizino
i am refering to approaching the planet, a slow decaying orbit to reach would have just picked up and logged by A.I.s as a planetoid. you would thing we today would spot some of the astoriods coming near us, and often they dont until after it passes by.

once the carrier makes it to the planet it could have hid at one of the magnetic poles to mask it from. i believe i read some did one of the books that it does work in the halo universe.


The covenant fleet around high charity do not allow anything over a centimeter near the planetiod. so are you saying that UNSC security is inferior to the covenant?
And you are forgetting that the UNSC can detect objects in slipspace not to mention they have patrols in the neighboring system. there is no way that ship could have slipped by.



ODP does not automatically mean SMAC, even if it did it is still a poor plot since they could not take out the SC and the homefleet did not take out the SC

  • 07.04.2011 3:31 PM PDT

Just wondering, do we really know how much damage a super-carrier shields can take?

Cause, it is the largest covenant ship they have (To my knowledge). It might be that the UNSC cruisers couldn't scratch it.

  • 07.04.2011 3:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

wouldn't be able to handle the ships that should have been at reach or the SMACs

  • 07.04.2011 3:38 PM PDT

nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, but recent studies show space can do what ever the !blam! it wants

it helps the covenant have a much larger fleet than the unsc. as far as the slip space detection system, the limits are not know, and it does have limits. a large part of it just sending sensor drones into the local slip space. it may not be able to pick up objects past the ort cloud for the system. as for patrolling the neighboring systems we are still talking many light years away, if they have something that can see into the next system, then what they are seeing is several years old

  • 07.04.2011 4:09 PM PDT

nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, but recent studies show space can do what ever the !blam! it wants

also if an a.i. flagged the object as a meteor it would have sent nav updates to all the ships to stir clear of it.

  • 07.04.2011 4:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: Xeno Prodigy
Yes.

  • 07.04.2011 5:04 PM PDT


Posted by: DonVinzone1
Propaganda? Not likely.

A reconstruction of the actual things: Yes, as stated in the letter that comes with Halsey's Journal.

So in a way, we didn't even get to play on Reach ourselves, but played a reconstruction of those events that has been made later on in the timeline.
Being a reconstruction its fair to say its not a 100% accurate representation of what has actually happened on Reach (which would explain/cover up some canon errors, which is a completely fine and acceptable construction to me).

But propaganda? No, because there is no use for it to be propaganda if the War is over and we've got a very vulnerable alliance (or cease fire to be honest) with the Elites. Besides: the "game" and Journal were send to a single individual (probably a researcher) and not broadcasted or distributed amongst the public, which is crucial for something to be propaganda.


Exactly :D
343i has plenty of wiggle room with Reach because of the game being the "most accurate depiction of the events during the Battle of Reach ONI has been able to gather and put together".

  • 07.04.2011 5:56 PM PDT

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I'd be relieved if the whole Halo: Reach story was just propaganda. The campaign was horrific and canon-breaking, so that would make up for it a tad bit. Still strongly dislike the game, though...

  • 07.04.2011 9:39 PM PDT

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interesting.... i have to read the datapads now, see if i can find anything about the Assembly that could support this.

  • 07.05.2011 9:49 AM PDT
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Well this theory (which is what I will call it, for the time being) does make a lot of sense and does coincide with Oni propaganda about spartan's being unable to die which is (as i'm sure we all know) complete and utter -blam!- , but can anyone give any evidence that bungie intended on this?

  • 07.05.2011 9:58 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Just wondering, do we really know how much damage a super-carrier shields can take?

Cause, it is the largest covenant ship they have (To my knowledge). It might be that the UNSC cruisers couldn't scratch it.


We know ONI like to meddle in military affairs, and we know the Forerunner artifact(s) on reach were of the utmost importance to humanities survival. So I suggest ONI let the Supercarrier pass by UNSC defenses on purpose knowing a ground based battle would be winnable, and buy them time. Whereas fighting it off in orbit would force the covenant to invade earlier then they did securing our defeat.

We know a SMAC can punch a hole through ANY known covenant ship. However it doesn't they are able to engage any given target for whatever reasons. There's too many variables to just declare that "OMIGOSH Reach failz! no SMACZORZ!!"

  • 07.05.2011 11:37 AM PDT


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Just wondering, do we really know how much damage a super-carrier shields can take?

Cause, it is the largest covenant ship they have (To my knowledge). It might be that the UNSC cruisers couldn't scratch it.


We know ONI like to meddle in military affairs, and we know the Forerunner artifact(s) on reach were of the utmost importance to humanities survival. So I suggest ONI let the Supercarrier pass by UNSC defenses on purpose knowing a ground based battle would be winnable, and buy them time. Whereas fighting it off in orbit would force the covenant to invade earlier then they did securing our defeat.

We know a SMAC can punch a hole through ANY known covenant ship. However it doesn't they are able to engage any given target for whatever reasons. There's too many variables to just declare that "OMIGOSH Reach failz! no SMACZORZ!!"


That's a rather interesting theory, though it does have its own weak points :/ I don't think the UNSC had any idea that the Supercarrier was there until it decloaked after destroying the Grafton. Of course I could be completely wrong, who knows. We do know that the UNSC detected the arrival of the Long Night of Solace at least partly, it made enough of a disturbance in sensors for the readings of it to be pinged as anomalies.

  • 07.05.2011 4:51 PM PDT

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