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Exactly these people went in with explosives strapped to their chests, they are walking bombs

  • 09.01.2004 9:51 AM PDT
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Posted by: johny joe
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why dont they negotiate? why does the government have suxh pride over their "dont cooperate with terrorist" rules? why do the citizens agree? more innocent lives are lost when the government tries to nuetrilize the terrorist then if they just reasoned with them. this is why im anti government.


You don't reason with terrorists. Their entire purpose is deep-rooted and fanatically religious or political. You are NOT going to be able to 'reason' with them.

This is why I'm anti-you. You're naive.


i think both sides are wrong. its wrong to take a school full of kids hostage,


Since when was this in debate?

but its also wrong to storm the building an basically force the terrorists kill the innocent. i see that reasoning with them can seem stupid, but its saving lives.

What you do in a given situation affects other possible situations. If terrorists know you'll roll over and play to their demands, then they'll keep demanding things. If they know that you're ruthless they will much more strongly consider doing anything like this.

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Posted by: Fallen Seraph
Most governemnts have a policy of no negotiating with terrorist.

as they should.

  • 09.01.2004 9:53 AM PDT
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Posted by: Stickman Army
The problem with these guys is that they don't care if they are captured or killed. When you lose that fear of dying, you are capable of almost anything, and no one can do anything to stop you.


it makes me sick to think these ppl are doing this for the dumbest reasons. it never works, so why do they even try? terrorists are sick ppl.

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Posted by: ObbiQuiet
Posted by: johny joe
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why dont they negotiate? why does the government have suxh pride over their "dont cooperate with terrorist" rules? why do the citizens agree? more innocent lives are lost when the government tries to nuetrilize the terrorist then if they just reasoned with them. this is why im anti government.


You don't reason with terrorists. Their entire purpose is deep-rooted and fanatically religious or political. You are NOT going to be able to 'reason' with them.

This is why I'm anti-you. You're naive.


i think both sides are wrong. its wrong to take a school full of kids hostage,


Since when was this in debate?

but its also wrong to storm the building an basically force the terrorists kill the innocent. i see that reasoning with them can seem stupid, but its saving lives.

What you do in a given situation affects other possible situations. If terrorists know you'll roll over and play to their demands, then they'll keep demanding things. If they know that you're ruthless they will much more strongly consider doing anything like this.


ya, your right. i just wish there was a way to not have this end up in tragety.

  • 09.01.2004 9:55 AM PDT
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No -blam!- duh, they believe that there actiosn is part of some politicla or religious revolution they are fanatics.

  • 09.01.2004 9:56 AM PDT
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Posted by: johny joe
Posted by: Stickman Army
The problem with these guys is that they don't care if they are captured or killed. When you lose that fear of dying, you are capable of almost anything, and no one can do anything to stop you.


it makes me sick to think these ppl are doing this for the dumbest reasons. it never works, so why do they even try? terrorists are sick ppl.


Yes, they do, but they have a lot of power. A well thought out terrorist plan can result in them getting almost anything they want, and they always send out a huge message to other people. They may be sick, but what are you going to do about it? You can't reason with them, it's meet their demands, or everyone dies, or both.

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Posted by: lysergicide
Now why would I be such a cynical bastard if I didn't already know how pfuhked the world is.


i dont know. and we know the world is "SCREWED" but we might as well live out our last few hundred (or thousand) years in peace.

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Posted by: ObbiQuiet
If they know that you're ruthless they will much more strongly consider doing anything like this.

as was said earlier, the aim of a terrorist is to spread terror. and given that so many of them are willing to sacrifice their own lives in this objective, how can anyone really say that being ruthless is any more effective than being passive?

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*sigh* only humans can be such ruthless and horrible...

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If they know that you're ruthless they will much more strongly consider doing anything like this.

as was said earlier, the aim of a terrorist is to spread terror. and given that so many of them are willing to sacrifice their own lives in this objective, how can anyone really say that being ruthless is any more effective than being passive?


If the Russian people as a whole show that they are actively struck in horror by acts as these and roll over, terrorists will walk all over them. I believe the only way to deal with terrorists is to show you are not afraid.

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Posted by: Fallen Seraph
*sigh* only humans can be such ruthless and horrible...


It is interesting, isn't it?

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Posted by: ObbiQuiet
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If they know that you're ruthless they will much more strongly consider doing anything like this.

as was said earlier, the aim of a terrorist is to spread terror. and given that so many of them are willing to sacrifice their own lives in this objective, how can anyone really say that being ruthless is any more effective than being passive?


If the Russian people as a whole show that they are actively struck in horror by acts as these and roll over, terrorists will walk all over them. I believe the only way to deal with terrorists is to show you are not afraid.


Indeed.

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Posted by: ObbiQuiet
Posted by: BadKarma
as was said earlier, the aim of a terrorist is to spread terror. and given that so many of them are willing to sacrifice their own lives in this objective, how can anyone really say that being ruthless is any more effective than being passive?


If the Russian people as a whole show that they are actively struck in horror by acts as these and roll over, terrorists will walk all over them. I believe the only way to deal with terrorists is to show you are not afraid.

i agree with you whole heartedly. to show fear is the last thing any nation should do in the face of terrorism. but i still feel that my question has merit.
in the case of Russia, one has to wonder if the leadership is being negligent with the safekeeping of its people.

[Edited on 9/1/2004 10:32:14 AM]

  • 09.01.2004 10:11 AM PDT
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After this, I unfortunatly see Russia put in martial law...

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Posted by: Fallen Seraph
After this, I unfortunatly see Russia put in martial law...

Russia is in a perpetual state of martial law.

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Posted by: BadKarma
Posted by: Fallen Seraph
After this, I unfortunatly see Russia put in martial law...

Russia is in a perpetual state of martial law.


Has been for years.

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not a complete martial law, this i think will put it in full...

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Call in the S.W.A.T. team. We should just teach them to play Halo when they're bored instead of holding up schools.

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Posted by: lysergicide
Well, the only answer to any of our political disputes is of course ruthless fundamentalism. And massive genocide; to keep 6 billion selfish bastards alive and happy is impossible plus one.


You like this whole infinity minus one, impossible plus one thing don't you. I am one of those people who thinks war and conflict is inevitable.

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The KGB knew how to deal with terrorists. They'd find their familes and put them at gunpoint or murder them.

  • 09.01.2004 11:25 AM PDT
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Posted by: lysergicide
Yeah, I'm pretty nuts. War is inevitable, unless there is an impossible balance achieved within and between societies. Of course this balance becomes much more likely when 99.9% of the Human race is exterminated, and our only hope for survival as a species is in cooperation with eachother, harmony with nature, and a healthy fear of a god, or death. Maybe through destruction, something awfully beautiful can emerge. Some form of Utopia, where people are empathetic, loving, and progressive.

Not going to happen!


Even if 99.9% of people were exterminated, there will always be a person that ruins everything for everyone. Maybe it would be a success for who knows how many generations. But somewhere along the line, a person would emerge that wants to kill, or steal, or ruin the balance that had been achieved.

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