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Subject: Why does everyone hate Halo 2 Vista?

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You could join games with silver membership, but needed gold membership to host games.

Always been like that for H2V as far as I'm aware.

Had it since release, might have changed recently...haven't played it in months, although....Halo PC and CE on the other hand...


Yeah they changed it. It's free now. As pointed out though, damage was already done.

Funny thing is, if the game got even a bit more awareness through cheap, subtle advertising (i.e. xbox live dashboard for instance?) I wouldn't be surprised in the least bit if the community got rejuvenated once again. Both games actually, 1 and 2.

If they ever wanted to give PC Halo another chance, bundling the first two for cheap would be a pretty good idea. Put it on Steam and it's a guarantee hit.



Technically Xbox Live Multiplayer was always free. You just had to pay extra for extra features such as the Gold only lobbies. I can see Microsoft bundling Halo 1 and Halo 2 PC together. However, releasing it on steam is another story. I think there's some licensing issues with Halo 1 and Halo 2 PC. Microsoft has released like tons of games on Games on Demand in the marketplace. However, they have yet to make Halo 1 PC or Halo 2 PC downloadable.

  • 06.24.2011 4:38 PM PDT

Halo Reach PC über alles!

Oh hai guiez whats going on in this thread?

Posted by: General Heed
Halo 2 Doesn't suck.


Posted by: DusK
I beg to differ.


Business as usual I see... Stay classy Halo PC Forum.

Posted by: awinnik1
Also, how come you guys are required to run Vista or 7 on a 3.0 GHz machine when for halo CE i can run it on a 1.5 GHz ACER with Ubuntu 10.04?


It's not that were required to do it, its just that we play other games aside from Halo.

[Edited on 06.24.2011 5:39 PM PDT]

  • 06.24.2011 5:33 PM PDT

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  • 06.24.2011 5:44 PM PDT
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Modding programs (Gravemind, Mr. Mohawk) are inferior to Halo 1's modding programs (HMT, Eschaton).

Dev trainers are inferior to Halo 1's dev trainers (Halo 1's dev trainers are easier to turn on and use).

And last but not least, Halo 2's Legendary is horribly unbalanced compared to Halo 1's Legendary, which was fun and reasonable. Of course, Halo 2's Legendary not as bad as Halo: Reach's Legendary, which is why I still play it.

But that hangar room on Cairo Station is impossible with all skulls on. Maybe Johnson could take them all out? But that would mean I'd have to deal with the room preceding that area. Also, there's a risk of Johnson being pushed/meleed into the wall by Ultra Elties.

And I just tried Outskirts and it's easy to get on the roof and skip most of the level, but the pain starts at the hotel and then at multiple choke points.

[Edited on 06.26.2011 11:27 AM PDT]

  • 06.26.2011 11:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Modding programs (Gravemind, Mr. Mohawk) are inferior to Halo 1's modding programs (HMT, Eschaton).

Dev trainers are inferior to Halo 1's dev trainers (Halo 1's dev trainers are easier to turn on and use).

And last but not least, Halo 2's Legendary is horribly unbalanced compared to Halo 1's Legendary, which was fun and reasonable. Of course, Halo 2's Legendary not as bad as Halo: Reach's Legendary, which is why I still play it.

But that hangar room on Cairo Station is impossible with all skulls on. Maybe Johnson could take them all out? But that would mean I'd have to deal with the room preceding that area. Also, there's a risk of Johnson being pushed/meleed into the wall by Ultra Elties.

And I just tried Outskirts and it's easy to get on the roof and skip most of the level, but the pain starts at the hotel and then at multiple choke points.


How easy a game can be hacked does not determine how good of a port it is. The dev trainers are considered game hacking tools and can be used for cheating online. If you claim Halo 2 Vista can't use dev trainers that easily, then that means the game has good security and anti-hacking tools. But I think in reality, cheating has gone rampant in Halo 2 Vista.

Anyways, campaign on legendary being unbalanced is not the port's fault. The Xbox version had the exact same campaign. Also, of course the campaign is impossible to beat with all the skulls on. That's the point of the skulls, to make the game significantly harder.

The reason why it's easy to get out of outskirts is because there are skulls hidden outside of the map, so Bungie let you get out so you can find those skulls.

  • 06.27.2011 12:21 AM PDT
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Posted by: General Heed

If you claim Halo 2 Vista can't use dev trainers that easily, then that means the game has good security and anti-hacking tools. But I think in reality, cheating has gone rampant in Halo 2 Vista.
I'm sure you know that I was talking about Campaign.

Posted by: General Heed
Anyways, campaign on legendary being unbalanced is not the port's fault. The Xbox version had the exact same campaign. Also, of course the campaign is impossible to beat with all the skulls on. That's the point of the skulls, to make the game significantly harder.
I wasn't specifically referring to Halo 2 Vista. I was referring to Halo 2 in general.

Anyways, I take those words back. Halo 2's Legendary is very enjoyable.

Posted by: General Heed
The reason why it's easy to get out of outskirts is because there are skulls hidden outside of the map, so Bungie let you get out so you can find those skulls.
I wasn't complaining though. I was giving a status report of my Legendary most skulls on run. I put it in the wrong post.

[Edited on 06.27.2011 5:34 AM PDT]

  • 06.27.2011 5:34 AM PDT

Well, I would have an opinion on H2V if it actually worked for me. I have Windows 7, I install it and from the the time when I first installed it, which was about 6 months ago btw, until now, it has said on the mulitplayer statistics. "Not availiable". Like where it says the number of players online it says that.

I just don't understand, Microsoft was no help, youtube tutorials were no help, nothing has helped. Has anyone had this issue? It seems like i'm the only person it's happened too.

  • 06.27.2011 7:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: Caboose117
Well, I would have an opinion on H2V if it actually worked for me. I have Windows 7, I install it and from the the time when I first installed it, which was about 6 months ago btw, until now, it has said on the mulitplayer statistics. "Not availiable". Like where it says the number of players online it says that.

I just don't understand, Microsoft was no help, youtube tutorials were no help, nothing has helped. Has anyone had this issue? It seems like i'm the only person it's happened too.


Actually, that's not a Windows 7 issue. That also happens in Windows Vista. It's mainly because either the servers are always crashing or GFWL has some kind of problem tracking the number of people on H2V.

  • 06.27.2011 7:13 PM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.


Posted by: General Heed
Actually, that's not a Windows 7 issue. That also happens in Windows Vista. It's mainly because either the servers are always crashing or GFWL has some kind of problem tracking the number of people on H2V.

Sounds like the software was programmed just fine, right?

  • 06.27.2011 8:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: DusK

Posted by: General Heed
Actually, that's not a Windows 7 issue. That also happens in Windows Vista. It's mainly because either the servers are always crashing or GFWL has some kind of problem tracking the number of people on H2V.

Sounds like the software was programmed just fine, right?


Well in that case, it would be GFWL's fault. Either way, it's Microsoft's fault since Microsoft made both Halo 2 Vista and GFWL. Regardless, it probably isn't a problem with the game itself. During the early days of Halo 2 Vista, there weren't any problems tracking users. I'm guessing one of the new GFWL updates broke that tracking system. And Halo 2 Vista hasn't been updated to support the new GFWL.

  • 06.27.2011 9:09 PM PDT
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Yes, I am a hypocrite, and I'm sorry. I really do mean well, but I'm not running on all cylinders.

Everytime someone buys a copy of Halo 2 Vista, a puppy dies.

I get angry and generalize about the game. My experience is, poor frame rate, malfunctioning mouse control, inability to join any online games. Add to that the product key that expires with no warning, and the fake requirement for Vista when the game doesn't require any of the facilities of Vista and can run on XP with a small hack. My biggest problem with H2V is the obvious manipulation. Halo is a big name, and half a dozen inept programmers cobbled together a cheap port specifically to con people into buying Vista, which was doing poorly in sales.

Short version: The Windows version of Halo 2 was born from evil intentions, is unsupported by the proprietor, stops working without warning after a few installations, and runs like dirt on a system that gets respectable frame rates on even current games.

  • 06.27.2011 11:32 PM PDT

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I just think that Halo gets killed when ported to the PC mostly because of the server list. Matchmaking is just that much better (IN MY FCKING OPINION!).

xD

But like I have said, I love to just get on there and pwn some suckers with the BR. Feels great. Actually. . . any weapon really!

[Edited on 06.27.2011 11:40 PM PDT]

  • 06.27.2011 11:39 PM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.


Posted by: Ben2974
I love to just get on there and pretend to pwn some suckers with the BR when it's really the auto-aim doing the work for me. Feels great. Actually. . . any weapon really!

Fixed that for ya.

  • 06.27.2011 11:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: Ben2974
I just think that Halo gets killed when ported to the PC mostly because of the server list. Matchmaking is just that much better (IN MY FCKING OPINION!).

xD

But like I have said, I love to just get on there and pwn some suckers with the BR. Feels great. Actually. . . any weapon really!


That is true. Every PC port of Halo has significantly lower sales and ratings than the Xbox versions. So it's not just Halo 2 Vista. Halo 1 PC is just as bad in its own ways. But I think maybe Halo just was never mean to be a PC game. It was born on the console and it's more popular on a console.

  • 06.28.2011 2:47 AM PDT

Something smells fishy...


Posted by: n357
I get angry and generalize about the game. My experience is, poor frame rate, malfunctioning mouse control, inability to join any online games. Add to that the product key that expires with no warning, and the fake requirement for Vista when the game doesn't require any of the facilities of Vista and can run on XP with a small hack. My biggest problem with H2V is the obvious manipulation. Halo is a big name, and half a dozen inept programmers cobbled together a cheap port specifically to con people into buying Vista, which was doing poorly in sales.

Short version: The Windows version of Halo 2 was born from evil intentions, is unsupported by the proprietor, stops working without warning after a few installations, and runs like dirt on a system that gets respectable frame rates on even current games.

This right here is an excellent post my friends.

  • 06.28.2011 10:34 AM PDT

Something smells fishy...


Posted by: General Heed

Posted by: Ben2974
I just think that Halo gets killed when ported to the PC mostly because of the server list. Matchmaking is just that much better (IN MY FCKING OPINION!).

xD

But like I have said, I love to just get on there and pwn some suckers with the BR. Feels great. Actually. . . any weapon really!


That is true. Every PC port of Halo has significantly lower sales and ratings than the Xbox versions. So it's not just Halo 2 Vista. Halo 1 PC is just as bad in its own ways. But I think maybe Halo just was never mean to be a PC game. It was born on the console and it's more popular on a console.

I'm sure Halo could continue to do fine as a PC game if the people making it for PC do a better job.

  • 06.28.2011 10:37 AM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.

Posted by: Barnacle_Blast
I'm sure Halo could continue to do fine as a PC game if the people making it for PC do a better job.

This right here. H2PC would have been a great PC game if they had removed the stuff that made it a console game made for baddies. Removing the absurd aim assist would have been a good start. Making the mouse and keyboard controls function as a PC FPS game should would have also been good. Hired Gun should have payed more attention to the job Gearbox did in those areas.

  • 06.28.2011 11:03 AM PDT

Halo Reach PC über alles!


Posted by: DusK
Posted by: Barnacle_Blast
I'm sure Halo could continue to do fine as a PC game if the people making it for PC do a better job.

This right here. H2PC would have been a great PC game if they had removed the stuff that made it a console game made for baddies. Removing the absurd aim assist would have been a good start. Making the mouse and keyboard controls function as a PC FPS game should would have also been good. Hired Gun should have payed more attention to the job Gearbox did in those areas.


Not to mention the problems introduced by GFWL, and the restrictive editing kit.

  • 06.28.2011 2:40 PM PDT

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Hey, I'm TetriS/r4v3n/Ryx. I've been modding Halo 1 pc since late 2008-2009, and playing Halo 2 Vista since summer of 2010. If you need any help with Halo 1 modding, just ask; I haven't modded in a while but I remember most of it.

I'm always up for a h2v game; message i4Ni TetriS and I'll get back to you.


Posted by: n357
I get angry and generalize about the game. My experience is, poor frame rate, malfunctioning mouse control, inability to join any online games. Add to that the product key that expires with no warning, and the fake requirement for Vista when the game doesn't require any of the facilities of Vista and can run on XP with a small hack. My biggest problem with H2V is the obvious manipulation. Halo is a big name, and half a dozen inept programmers cobbled together a cheap port specifically to con people into buying Vista, which was doing poorly in sales.

Short version: The Windows version of Halo 2 was born from evil intentions, is unsupported by the proprietor, stops working without warning after a few installations, and runs like dirt on a system that gets respectable frame rates on even current games.

^truth. But imo h2v is still better because of netcode and gfwl support.

[Edited on 06.28.2011 8:51 PM PDT]

  • 06.28.2011 8:50 PM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.


Posted by: TetriS fer dayz

Posted by: n357
I get angry and generalize about the game. My experience is, poor frame rate, malfunctioning mouse control, inability to join any online games. Add to that the product key that expires with no warning, and the fake requirement for Vista when the game doesn't require any of the facilities of Vista and can run on XP with a small hack. My biggest problem with H2V is the obvious manipulation. Halo is a big name, and half a dozen inept programmers cobbled together a cheap port specifically to con people into buying Vista, which was doing poorly in sales.

Short version: The Windows version of Halo 2 was born from evil intentions, is unsupported by the proprietor, stops working without warning after a few installations, and runs like dirt on a system that gets respectable frame rates on even current games.

^truth. But imo h2v is still better because of netcode

Decent opinion until:

Posted by: TetriS fer dayz
and gfwl support.

GfWL broke stuff in the game. Good support, amirite?

  • 06.28.2011 8:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: DusK

Posted by: TetriS fer dayz

Posted by: n357
I get angry and generalize about the game. My experience is, poor frame rate, malfunctioning mouse control, inability to join any online games. Add to that the product key that expires with no warning, and the fake requirement for Vista when the game doesn't require any of the facilities of Vista and can run on XP with a small hack. My biggest problem with H2V is the obvious manipulation. Halo is a big name, and half a dozen inept programmers cobbled together a cheap port specifically to con people into buying Vista, which was doing poorly in sales.

Short version: The Windows version of Halo 2 was born from evil intentions, is unsupported by the proprietor, stops working without warning after a few installations, and runs like dirt on a system that gets respectable frame rates on even current games.

^truth. But imo h2v is still better because of netcode

Decent opinion until:

Posted by: TetriS fer dayz
and gfwl support.

GfWL broke stuff in the game. Good support, amirite?


However, GFWL support is nice to have if you already play on Xbox Live. Why bother having multiple services like Xbox Live, Steam, PSN, Nintendo Wi-Fi, Game Center, OnLive, Gamespy, etc when you can all have it in one service with all the features you need.

Admittedly, GFWL is flawed in many areas and is hardly ever updated by Microsoft. However, the idea is good and if Microsoft can bring it up to par with Xbox Live, then future GFWL games will be much better. Microsoft is pushing Live-integration onto many platforms. Obviously the Xbox and PC, but now the phone as well.

You see, despite the flaws of GFWL, I still much prefer it over Gamespy servers in Halo 1 PC. There was no voice chat, no friends list, no private messaging, and no game invites. The multiplayer aspect of Halo 1 PC was very limited compared to the offerings of GFWL. I know there's programs like xFire or TeamSpeak that can replace GFWL. But it's very inefficient to have to install seperate 3rd party programs just to have those features. And I know you like it when things are efficient.

  • 06.29.2011 2:19 AM PDT
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Sometimes, I dream about cheese.

really? i dont know anyone who hates halo 2 for vista, its an awesome game! infact better then its xbox counterpart now microsoft has shutdown its servers even though its multiplayer is alot more fun and better then 3 or reach.

there are a few ways they can make the multiplayer lobby better and more convenient but other then that, good game.

  • 06.29.2011 5:54 PM PDT

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