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Posted by: Great_Pretender
The fact you want to sue Bungie for having a fun contest where people get to play with the developers and win meat, coupled with the fact that you're wrong, is sickening. Go do something productive with your time.

-TGP-
This type of thing isn't surprising at all though.


Having read the actual terms of the contest I do think it would have been more appropriate since this is a legal contract between Bungie and players who participate in the contest to state, "No additional purchase necessary." However, it is common sense that there are prerequisites for this kind of contest some of which are stated in the eligibility clause of the contract. A lawsuit will not fly for this type of thing.

[Edited on 06.25.2011 1:06 AM PDT]

  • 06.25.2011 12:55 AM PDT

I suspect llamas are secretly wizards. I <3 poptarts n' milk. I like me. Grimick is defined as: a logical parodox, the act of funnaling a potato down your throat, and a deliciously flavored muffin (with pecons and blueberries). Norway is the Swedish word for 'moron'. My sister has cancer, so i get to use handicap parking and cut small children in line at Disneyland.

"Don't eat doughnuts on thin ice."

"The pancake, my friend, has officially been flipped."


Posted by: Vandelay16
I have a tip for you, stop trying to make a big deal out of nothing.
Seriously. What do expect to gain from this, the hatred of all bungie fans?

  • 06.25.2011 2:55 AM PDT

I suspect llamas are secretly wizards. I <3 poptarts n' milk. I like me. Grimick is defined as: a logical parodox, the act of funnaling a potato down your throat, and a deliciously flavored muffin (with pecons and blueberries). Norway is the Swedish word for 'moron'. My sister has cancer, so i get to use handicap parking and cut small children in line at Disneyland.

"Don't eat doughnuts on thin ice."

"The pancake, my friend, has officially been flipped."


Posted by: Great_Pretender
The fact you want to sue Bungie for having a fun contest where people get to play with the developers and win meat, coupled with the fact that you're wrong, is sickening. Go do something productive with your time.

-TGP-

  • 06.25.2011 3:01 AM PDT

Five years older and wiser
The fires are burning, I'm fire, never tire
Slay warriors in the forests, and on hire

So much is at steak.

  • 06.25.2011 3:06 AM PDT

If you're really going to sue Bungie, please let us know how this is gonna end!

  • 06.25.2011 3:14 AM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
Posted by: teh Chaz
Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

Now, this is compensation culture gone mad ITT, OP.

What 'is purchase required' means (or what I take it to mean) is do you require to pay for specifically having won the prize. No you don't.

After all, soda cans, cereal boxes and other food wrappers frequently have competitions on them, that say 'no purchase necessary', yet you have to purchase the item as a pre-requisite.

So your OP holds no legal water.

  • 06.25.2011 4:04 AM PDT

Posted by: Rampant Tragedy
Because he's the blanket this bed deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him, because he can take it. Because he's not our blanket. He's a silent quilt. A watchful comforter. A Dark Linen.


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Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
your OP holds no legal water.

  • 06.25.2011 4:14 AM PDT


Posted by: Sgt Peanut

Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
your OP holds no legal water.

  • 06.25.2011 6:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: SonicJohn
This thread reminds me of this:

Posted by: Cave Johnson
Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons! What am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons! I'm gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!

lol'd

  • 06.25.2011 6:34 AM PDT

quit your moanin

  • 06.25.2011 6:42 AM PDT

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A meat lovers code.
Posted by: bhippo717
When life gives you steak, don't question. Enjoy.

  • 06.25.2011 6:45 AM PDT

Posted by: ApocalypeX
So much is at steak.
This is hardly an issue to be making lame jokes about Apoc, the OP clearly has some beef with Bungie.

  • 06.25.2011 6:45 AM PDT

Known by some, but not by all.
Soffish: Do not eat!
TWP Assistant Director.

Let's take a look at a fact not covered.

Bungie has a legal team either on staff or retains a lawyer or lawyers to make sure what they are doing is legal.

Foman is not the only lawyer who is a member here. Any lawyer who happens to be a member here would pick up on whether something Bungie is doing is legal or not.

Because this is a public site, it is also monitored by those who enforce State and Federal laws. I would say namely the FCC for starters. I'm sure there is a list of organizations that monitor web sites such as this.

Long story short, we can haz steak if we win as outlined by the rules Bungie has set forth. It's legal.

My only question to the OP is: Are you a vegetarian?

~Delta



Posted by: Jin Kisaragi
As dictated per Foman, I am migrating the topic to Bungie.net community forum.

Hopefully we can now start off on a clean slate:


So I was reviewing the new "Bungie vs the World: Steaktakular content": http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link =steaktakular

When I noticed something. Right there in the official rules, "No purchase necessary", yet the only option of entry required the purchase of Halo Reach, an Xbox 360, and Xbox Live to be eligible to enter, and not only that, the user has to encounter Bungie in matchmaking (a game of chance), and then beat them by 20 points.

I find this violates the Federal Trade Commissions bans on Games of Chance (aka Gambling).
http://www.ftc.gov/os/1999/08/sweepstakestestimony.htm

Anyone familiar with the "lottery law" knows any contest or sweepstakes requires you to answer three questions:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2243/why-do-contests -say-no-purchase-required

1. Is a prize being offered?
2. Is there chance involved in the selection of the winner (i.e., drawing a ticket)?
3. Does the consumer have to buy something to enter the contest? (This is called "consideration" by the FCC.)

The answer to all of these questions in regards to the Steaktacular is yes.

TL;DR. Main points:
1.) Prize being offered is a steak for residents in the United States, and a gift card for people outside the united states.
2.) You must encounter Bungie by chance, then defeat them by 20 points
3.) Entry requires purchase, no free alternate method of entry

Ugh, Bungie, stop breaking the law...-facepalm-
I'm also requesting an injuction perhaps to stop the event unless immediate changes are made to people that cannot access a paid copy of halo reach or xbox live gold.

Any tips?

  • 06.25.2011 7:12 AM PDT

Posted by: HiredN00bs
Arrogant hyperbolic exclamations of woe? Seems like a normal day for Halo/Bungie.net.

Stop being so butthurt.

  • 06.25.2011 7:37 AM PDT


Posted by: Jin Kisaragi

Posted by: Luke35120
Do you realize that you can create a free 1 month on someone else's Xbox while owning the email that used to create it right?


An Xbox 360, Halo Reach, and Xbox Live Gold are all paid content. That's three tiers of payment required to be eligible to win. Even if one of the tiers (Xbox live gold account) has some shady levels of entry (i.e, a free trial), that still leaves two entirely different tiers of payment. It's a very shady line, but I see your valid argument and it's a point worth discussing as I have.


All the problems in the world are caused by people like you. All of them. Period.

  • 06.25.2011 8:55 AM PDT

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There is no greater catharsis than arguing on the Flood.

I think there's overwhelming evidence towards Bungie's innocence. Case dismissed?

  • 06.25.2011 8:56 AM PDT

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Try using the Search Bar next time.
Halo 2 was the best Halo game
A7x FoREVer!

Well I knew this was a trolled thread when the OP listed this as a "contest" or "sweepstakes." Its a give away.

[Edited on 06.25.2011 9:00 AM PDT]

  • 06.25.2011 8:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: ApocalypeX
So much is at steak.
This is hardly an issue to be making lame jokes about Apoc, the OP clearly has some beef with Bungie.
I must disagree, I think this topic is just Spam.

/meaty fail

[Edited on 06.25.2011 9:11 AM PDT]

  • 06.25.2011 9:09 AM PDT

This thread is hilarious.

  • 06.25.2011 9:14 AM PDT
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By sharp and flame; a friend of a friend.

OP<Foman

Get owned.

  • 06.25.2011 9:19 AM PDT

Posted by: A Bit Of Zero
This thread would have appealed to me more if it was written with crayons.
Posted by: King Dutchy
I broke one of the cords for my X11s because I couldn't get past the final American course in Doritos Crash Course.

Posted by: teh ajhallmon
This is this guys expression right now.

Well its either that, or this.

  • 06.25.2011 9:25 AM PDT
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It was once said that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could reproduce the works of shakespeare... Now thanks to the internet we know that this is not true
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No programmer can pick up a TV remote without thinking what it would take to add a stun gun. [...] Their motto is 'if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet


Posted by: Jin Kisaragi

Posted by: Mass Craziness
I underlined some points of interest.

Both are required, and it says so in the rules. "No purchase necessary" means you don't need to purchase anything else other than what is required to play the game. You don't need to purchase a contest entry ticket, or a voucher. You're taking it too literally.


Let me be clear on one point, okay?

I am not questioning what the rules say. I am capable of reading comprehension. The rules can be whatever they want, Bungie can say the rule: "The purchaser must commit a crime", but it doesn't make it right.

My main point is that, even if Bungie says the user must purchase something, they legally cannot force someone to purchase something. (Federal law > Bungie logic.) Bungie's "rules" cannot take priority over federal jurisdiction, Bungie isn't the company making the rules.

Microsoft has contests requiring Xbox Live Gold Subscriptions all the time, but they always, -always- include a free, alternate method of entry for Xbox Live Silver Members; some people just don't read the fine print.

@The guy bringing up the radio and radio contests.

You don't need to buy a radio to enter those contests. You just need to know their phone number ;D.


Bungie is not forcing you to purchase anything. You are not entitled legally to enter their conpetition. They can restrict entry to whoever they want.

your argument is over.

  • 06.25.2011 9:29 AM PDT

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When I grow up, I want to be just like goofenhour.

What I don't get is your motive behind making sure that this whole thing stays "legal". Bungie is trying to have senseless fun with their community for one day, and (from what it seems) you are trying everything in your power to put a stop to it because it supposedly illegal.

Are you just attempting to bring 100,000 people's fun for one day to a complete stand-still?

Are you just trying to stand for justice against what is fun?

In all seriousness, what's the harm in mailing out a frikin steak for a competition, for one day.

Bungie is just attempting to have an amazing last Bungie Day, and send Halo out with a bang. They are trying to live up to a long-standing Bungie joke for a single day, and have fun with their community for Bungie's last day involved with Halo. And you seem to be just trying to take it down by a single line in the legal contract in the competition.

Another thing I don't get is why is Bungie being attacked from it's own community. I would understand, if it was like Kotaku, or Gizmodo. I've seriously never been so baffled by someone's ambition on Bnet before, and I've been around here for almost 4 years. That's quite a new time high.

  • 06.25.2011 9:34 AM PDT
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It was once said that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could reproduce the works of shakespeare... Now thanks to the internet we know that this is not true
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No programmer can pick up a TV remote without thinking what it would take to add a stun gun. [...] Their motto is 'if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet

dont worry, he is just an attention seeking -blam!- and will definitely not succeed in doing anything

  • 06.25.2011 9:39 AM PDT

Posted by: Darth1Snyder
Everytime someone sacks my groceries, I think of Loaf.

What the hell is your motive for doing this? If you don't have Xbox LIVE Gold, or Halo Reach. Why are you bothering? Do you even own Halo 3 or ODST?

Are you just trying to weasel money for yourself and waste our courts times with this when there are real cases to be dealt with?

This country is completely unaware how good we have it, and all you do is complain, complain, and complain.

[EDIT] I get it! You're a vegetarian/vegan.

[Edited on 06.25.2011 9:45 AM PDT]

  • 06.25.2011 9:44 AM PDT

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