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Subject: Gravemind is NOT the Timeless One or vice versa

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I'm sick and tired of people saying this.Gravemind is not the only one of his kind,there are multiple Graveminds.Gravemind is nothing more than a few cubic tons of biomass and FSC,not a -blam!- Precursor.

  • 06.25.2011 12:42 AM PDT

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Tell me, where are those multiple graveminds?

You can't find that.

Silence.

  • 06.25.2011 12:50 AM PDT

Posted by: Spartan 100
Tell me, where are those multiple graveminds?

You can't find that.

Silence.
Dead? Do the Flood even need more than one Gravemind at a time? I'm being serious, I honestly don't know.

[Edited on 06.25.2011 1:42 AM PDT]

  • 06.25.2011 12:55 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

There's only one Gravemind at a time, the Galaxy can't handle that much poetry.

"I am a timeless chorus. Join your voice with mine, and sing victory everlasting."

  • 06.25.2011 12:58 AM PDT

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It may be possible to create more then one but they would act as a singular mind, all the memories of every gravemind moves on to the next so it would be like having multiple extensions of your body.

  • 06.25.2011 1:40 AM PDT

Simply to endure is to triumph!

During the history of the Flood there were many Graveminds, but important and known are only two. The first one occurred during the Forerunner-Flood war and the second one during the Covenant-Human war. As far as I know it's not possible that there is more than one Gravemind because that would mean that the Flood doesn't act as one organism.

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Gravemind



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  • 06.25.2011 2:54 AM PDT

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Ok I'm going to let you off gently on this one because you really do not have a clue about what you're going on about.

Secondly, there are numerous clues to the Gravemind and the Prisoner being the same thing.
- Mendicant Bias disappears with the Prisoner for 43 years during the Forerunner-Flood war and returns rampant at the Capital saying he serves a new master (the Prisoner). This coincides with what it says in the Terminals, it states MB disappeared for 43 years and returns with the Gravemind. The fact these two events happen at exactly the same time leaves a logical conclusion: Prisoner = Gravemind.

- The Prisoner is known as "The Timeless One", Gravemind often refers to himself as a "timeless chorus". His various other dialogue ("I am a monument to all your sins" etc) also points to him being the Prisoner.

You do realise that the Flood cells mutate the host? The Prisoner was originally 25 feet tall with multiple limbs and a head the shape of a eurypterid (the latter point looking exactly the sane as the Gravemind). It's logical to conclude that as he absorbed more and more biomass from the infected over the course of 300 years he came to appear how he does in the games.

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  • 06.25.2011 3:32 AM PDT
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Posted by: ajw34307
Ok I'm going to let you off gently on this one because you really do not have a clue about what you're going on about.

Secondly, there are numerous clues to the Gravemind and the Prisoner being the same thing.
- Mendicant Bias disappears with the Prisoner for 43 years during the Forerunner-Flood war and returns rampant at the Capital saying he serves a new master (the Prisoner). This coincides with what it says in the Terminals, it states MB disappeared for 43 years and returns with the Gravemind. The fact these two events happen at exactly the same time leaves a logical conclusion: Prisoner = Gravemind.

- The Prisoner is known as "The Timeless One", Gravemind often refers to himself as a "timeless chorus". His various other dialogue ("I am a monument to all your sins" etc) also points to him being the Prisoner.

You do realise that the Flood cells mutate the host? The Prisoner was originally 25 feet tall with multiple limbs and a head the shape of a eurypterid (the latter point looking exactly the sane as the Gravemind). It's logical to conclude that as he absorbed more and more biomass from the infected over the course of 300 years he came to appear how he does in the games.


And nothing was ever stated that multiple graveminds were acting at the same time though we have "proto graveminds" that have been active the same time as the gravemind.

And dustin the gravemind was not created during halo 2. he clearly states

"I have listened through rock and metal and time. all of which coincide with the prisoner since he was found under ground they reinforced his "cage" and he is in some slipspace bubble of sorts.

not to mention there couldn't be a 10,000 year war if this just started.

  • 06.25.2011 6:52 AM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
Ok I'm going to let you off gently on this one because you really do not have a clue about what you're going on about.

Secondly, there are numerous clues to the Gravemind and the Prisoner being the same thing.
- Mendicant Bias disappears with the Prisoner for 43 years during the Forerunner-Flood war and returns rampant at the Capital saying he serves a new master (the Prisoner). This coincides with what it says in the Terminals, it states MB disappeared for 43 years and returns with the Gravemind. The fact these two events happen at exactly the same time leaves a logical conclusion: Prisoner = Gravemind.

- The Prisoner is known as "The Timeless One", Gravemind often refers to himself as a "timeless chorus". His various other dialogue ("I am a monument to all your sins" etc) also points to him being the Prisoner.

You do realise that the Flood cells mutate the host? The Prisoner was originally 25 feet tall with multiple limbs and a head the shape of a eurypterid (the latter point looking exactly the sane as the Gravemind). It's logical to conclude that as he absorbed more and more biomass from the infected over the course of 300 years he came to appear how he does in the games.


Adding onto this and Grey's evidence, The original Flood that we fought 10,000 years before the Forerunners did had no real coordination and seemed only to be a classic space zombie. They weren't very imposing, their infection could not easily work betwee species (Prophets couldn't infect humans) and their was evidently a complete lack of Gravemind.

Then suddenly, there is one during the Forerunners' war with them, along with a complete species-wide overhaul, which happens to be at the same time that Medicant Bias releases the Prisoner from his cage.

Also, the Flood seems to be the Prisoner's weapon for use against the Forerunners.

[Edited on 06.25.2011 7:51 AM PDT]

  • 06.25.2011 7:50 AM PDT

You guys are close. There can only be ONE Gravemind at a time. But the Graveminds in the Forerunner war and the Human war are two different Graveminds. That is why they had those pod things to create more Flood in Halo CE but later they didn't need them because they were more intelligent once they created a Gravemind in Halo 2.

  • 06.25.2011 8:41 AM PDT

~Thomsn0w

Aren't Graveminds just the body mass of a sentient mind? I mean, aren't they all the same mind but with different vessels?

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  • 06.25.2011 9:31 AM PDT
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Posted by: StormyROCKER Z
You guys are close. There can only be ONE Gravemind at a time. But the Graveminds in the Forerunner war and the Human war are two different Graveminds. That is why they had those pod things to create more Flood in Halo CE but later they didn't need them because they were more intelligent once they created a Gravemind in Halo 2.


the beasteruim clearly states that there can be multiple minds active at once, i would love to see where everybody is getting these false claims from.

there was no gravemind during the human war. the "proto gravemind" in CE was active while the gravemind was at installation 5, same for halo wars and same for mona lisa.

we have 3 accounts of other (and possibly the true versions) graveminds being formed while the one at installation 5 was active.

the gravemind from halo 2 is the same from the forerunner war

  • 06.25.2011 9:33 AM PDT

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: StormyROCKER Z
You guys are close. There can only be ONE Gravemind at a time. But the Graveminds in the Forerunner war and the Human war are two different Graveminds. That is why they had those pod things to create more Flood in Halo CE but later they didn't need them because they were more intelligent once they created a Gravemind in Halo 2.


the beasteruim clearly states that there can be multiple minds active at once, i would love to see where everybody is getting these false claims from.

there was no gravemind during the human war. the "proto gravemind" in CE was active while the gravemind was at installation 5, same for halo wars and same for mona lisa.

we have 3 accounts of other (and possibly the true versions) graveminds being formed while the one at installation 5 was active.

the gravemind from halo 2 is the same from the forerunner war


I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. There can only be one main Gravemind. There can be more but they aren't as powerful/contoling as the main-central Gravemind

  • 06.25.2011 10:05 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: StormyROCKER Z
You guys are close. There can only be ONE Gravemind at a time. But the Graveminds in the Forerunner war and the Human war are two different Graveminds. That is why they had those pod things to create more Flood in Halo CE but later they didn't need them because they were more intelligent once they created a Gravemind in Halo 2.


the beasteruim clearly states that there can be multiple minds active at once, i would love to see where everybody is getting these false claims from.

there was no gravemind during the human war. the "proto gravemind" in CE was active while the gravemind was at installation 5, same for halo wars and same for mona lisa.

we have 3 accounts of other (and possibly the true versions) graveminds being formed while the one at installation 5 was active.

the gravemind from halo 2 is the same from the forerunner war


I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. There can only be one main Gravemind. There can be more but they aren't as powerful/contoling as the main-central Gravemind


that is not true, there can be several graveminds at the same time, the beasteruim states this.

  • 06.25.2011 10:05 AM PDT

Sorry Metroid, but there is a ton of evidence supporting the Gravemind and the Precursor/Prisoner being the same entity. Just look at almost all of the Gravemind's lines in the context of Cryptum, that enough is strong evidence, and not to mention what AJW, Grey, and Roberto brought up. It is pretty definite that the Precursor becomes the Gravemind we all know and fear.

I think there is a distinction between THE Gravemind and the other "Graveminds". While the other lesser minds can co-exist with the Gravemind, I think they're significantly weaker and act more as local overseers/organizers and the like, there can be many of them, while there can only ever be one Gravemind. The other minds (Proto-Graveminds I think they're called) seem like they're a completely natural formation and were probably around during the Human-Flood War (probably what got the Flood organized enough to be a threat to humanity and get the Flood to flee Human space).

  • 06.25.2011 1:42 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: StormyROCKER Z
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: StormyROCKER Z
You guys are close. There can only be ONE Gravemind at a time. But the Graveminds in the Forerunner war and the Human war are two different Graveminds. That is why they had those pod things to create more Flood in Halo CE but later they didn't need them because they were more intelligent once they created a Gravemind in Halo 2.


the beasteruim clearly states that there can be multiple minds active at once, i would love to see where everybody is getting these false claims from.

there was no gravemind during the human war. the "proto gravemind" in CE was active while the gravemind was at installation 5, same for halo wars and same for mona lisa.

we have 3 accounts of other (and possibly the true versions) graveminds being formed while the one at installation 5 was active.

the gravemind from halo 2 is the same from the forerunner war


I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. There can only be one main Gravemind. There can be more but they aren't as powerful/contoling as the main-central Gravemind


that is not true, there can be several graveminds at the same time, the beasteruim states this.


The Encyclopedia states otherwise.

  • 06.25.2011 3:38 PM PDT
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A gravemind is made when a big mass of flood come together. Honestly I'm pretty sure they're are nothing more or less than a few shots to kill as I think I have killed over 9000 in Halo Wars.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: StormyROCKER Z
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: StormyROCKER Z
You guys are close. There can only be ONE Gravemind at a time. But the Graveminds in the Forerunner war and the Human war are two different Graveminds. That is why they had those pod things to create more Flood in Halo CE but later they didn't need them because they were more intelligent once they created a Gravemind in Halo 2.


the beasteruim clearly states that there can be multiple minds active at once, i would love to see where everybody is getting these false claims from.

there was no gravemind during the human war. the "proto gravemind" in CE was active while the gravemind was at installation 5, same for halo wars and same for mona lisa.

we have 3 accounts of other (and possibly the true versions) graveminds being formed while the one at installation 5 was active.

the gravemind from halo 2 is the same from the forerunner war


I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. There can only be one main Gravemind. There can be more but they aren't as powerful/contoling as the main-central Gravemind


that is not true, there can be several graveminds at the same time, the beasteruim states this.


The Encyclopedia states otherwise.


I don't know what we should go by then because i assume the beastaruim contains far more info than halopedia 1.1

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Posted by: Spartan 100
Tell me, where are those multiple graveminds?

You can't find that.

Silence.


Gravemind in the Flood-Forerunner war, Graveminds in other galaxies.

  • 06.25.2011 8:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Spartan 100
Tell me, where are those multiple graveminds?

You can't find that.

Silence.


Gravemind in the Flood-Forerunner war, Graveminds in other galaxies.


it is highly unlikely the flood exist in another galaxy since they willingly returned to ours, and there was no gravemind during that time.

  • 06.25.2011 8:47 PM PDT

It does seem to show that the precursor is the gravemind...I hope not though. That would just be pretty lame to me.

  • 06.25.2011 11:21 PM PDT

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A gravemind is made when a big mass of flood come together. Honestly I'm pretty sure they're are nothing more or less than a few shots to kill as I think I have killed over 9000 in Halo Wars.

Holy -blam!-.

  • 06.26.2011 4:40 AM PDT

all sounds far too similar to Starcraft to be coincidence! with graveminds and proto-graveminds being the overmind of the Zerg swarm and proto-graveminds being the Cerabrates of the swarm.

  • 06.26.2011 4:48 AM PDT

Everyone is stating "facts" when all we know is conjecture at best, lets just be patient and wait for Greg Bear to finish the second Forerunner novel.

  • 06.26.2011 5:12 AM PDT

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