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Subject: Bungie Aerospace: Multi-platform hub heaven?

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Posted by: SonicJohn
(mouse/keyboard versus controller = imbalance)

Well I guess you could put a heavy degree on auto-aim on the console version to make things easier, or remove all forms of auto-aim on the PC version.

Unless those things already exist then I'm stumped.

Obviously you can't force PC gamers to use a controller (without them hacking a way around it and being majorly pissed off) and you can't lauch a keyboard/mouse peripheral for consoles because not everyone will buy them, thats not the way console gamers "roll" and having to buy a peripheral to play a game the best of your ability is annoying.

The problem with adding heavy auto-aim on the console version it'll remove a lot of the aiming skill required and if you remove all auto-aim on the PC version the players can still kick ass.

It is a pickle.
A possible solution is thus:

Don't make it a hardcore competitive shooter.

I see it working in a couple possible ways:

Solution A:

Have the core missions and gameplay surround AI enemies, rather than PvP. You can go it alone or team up with a party of various Xbox, PS3, PC, iOS gamers (I'm still wondering whether they'll put the full game on the iPhone or iPad. I've seen MMOs done on those platforms before, so it's not impossible). This lowers the chance of anyone noticing or caring about the differences in peripherals and makes it generally fair for all players.

Solution B:

For any PvP missions, match only console gamers against console gamers, PC/iOS gamers against PC/iOS gamers, SmartPhone versus SmartPhone, etc. This way, the imbalance is reduced and nobody cares/notices once again.

Solution C:

Have separate "Console", "PC" and "Mixed" World Servers that split up the gamers, if they so choose to be. That way, if anyone complains about the differences or unfairness, then they know that they have options.

Solution D:

Any combination of A, B or C.

Solution F:

Make the fighting gameplay turn-based. Not ideal, since it lowers immersion, but it removes the mouse/keyboard advantage.

I'd personally opt for Solution D, with a focus on A and C. Makes it cleaner. I certainly don't mind PvP stuff with Solution C in mind.


Posted by: aku
This is a bit similar to my own half-formed opinion. And since I haven't agreed with any other guesses, I'm going to go ahead and say I think you're right -- or close enough, at least.

Couple of things, though:

First, I don't think it's strictly necessary for bungieaerospace.com to be the permanent address for the Aerospace "product". This is something I started thinking about when Apoc posted his opinion on ba.com being fake (which we now know it isn't as urk has linked it directly): It's possible that ba.com will be used as a promotional site to advertise, explain, and show off the new Aerospace features while the actual product will be incorporated into bungie.net. The main benefit I see to this would be to keep Aerospace news, game project news, and company news all in one place. Otherwise we might be looking at a situation where you go one place to hear about the game and other place to hear about Aerospace; this feels silly to me, but obviously they'll handle it how they want to.


I had originally thought that Aerospace would be separate from Bnet, but what I'm implying regarding Aerospace is that it is the name of the service and a hub network and series of servers that will host the future IP. Whether or not it's on another website doesn't matter at this point, and I agree it would be awkward considering that, but I did read somewhere that Aerospace is a separate company. Also remember my previous discussion with you (in another thread) about WLID's current integration into Bungie.net accounts. Having the entire system be offsite would be hugely beneficial for Bungie in order to appeal to a wider audience as they can make it so you can set up an Aerospace account and then simply link your other accounts to it.

Second, while the proxy server idea is interesting, I've heard somewhere that the reason PS3 and XBL players have never been able to game together is that MS or Sony simply won't allow it. Now, would Bungie -- as one of the highest profile game developers around, with the backing of the largest publisher -- be able to look MS in the eye and say "You'll make an exception or Sony's going to get one hell of an exclusive"? Maybe. Personally I wouldn't count on this particular feature, though. I don't think either Sony or Microsoft are stupid and naive enough to think that this sort of venture wouldn't spark a huge amount of interest and money for them. I think Activision could (and perhaps already have) pitch it to them in ways that benefit them.

Something else I was just thinking about is the social aspect. I actually do think that Bungie is going to be taking this social somehow. I wonder if part of that would be hooking into facebook and letting you post status updates directly (even automatically) from bungie.net or in game. The advantage I see here is the fact that you could constantly be advertising to all of your friends that you are playing, and enjoying, one of Bungie's titles. That sort of thing seems pretty likely. It's part of Raptr's major success, and they've already done something similar with the social-integration buttons in the Reach files and the Bungie Blog (share buttons, etc).


Edit:

Slightly aside the point of Aerospace: I was just thinking about the new IP having factions (think UNSC, Covenant, Flood, Forerunner sort of thing...or Terran/Zerg/Protoss if you like). What if you were given missions/commendations to assassinate players from other factions. I can just imagine going prone on a hill, getting out a sniper rifle and picking off people from opposing factions from a distance. In a FPSMMO. Man that sounds awesome.

[Edited on 06.25.2011 4:53 AM PDT]

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Posted by: SonicJohn
A possible solution is thus:

Good ideas. I think you can throw out the possibility of turn-based fighting, since someone at Bungie has mentioned before that they are "sticking to their strenghths" in terms of gameplay. I think we can assume there will be at least some form of realtime projectile weapons in their next game.

This whole idea of world play with players on all systems broken down into PvP with players on similar systems sounds really awesome though. I'm kind of imagining Fable 2 if Fable 2 didn't suck. I.e, interact with all players in your area, but not necessarily affect their game a bunch. (I didn't play Shadowrun so I dunno if that's a better analogy or not.)

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Posted by: aku
This whole idea of world play with players on all systems broken down into PvP with players on similar systems sounds really awesome though. I'm kind of imagining Fable 2 if Fable 2 didn't suck. I.e, interact with all players in your area, but not necessarily affect their game a bunch. (I didn't play Shadowrun so I dunno if that's a better analogy or not.)
I'm more trying to imagine a first-person Mass Effect where there are other Shepards running around, or your squadmates being real players.

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Posted by: SonicJohn
I'm more trying to imagine a first-person Mass Effect where there are other Shepards running around, or your squadmates being real players.

Ah, ok. Yeah, it sounds pretty cool.

  • 06.25.2011 5:20 AM PDT

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I'm surprised you were able to come up with all of this with so little information one Aerospace.


I'm not sure what Aerospace could be but I'll find out the 7th and I'll keep this post in mind.

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Posted by: SonicJohn
A possible solution is thus:

Don't make it a hardcore competitive shooter.

The two problems with that is:

1. People like competitive games and making it so certain platforms mainly play against people on the same platform will sorta void the whole "cross platform" aspect.

2. No matter what it is, even single player pong, as long as there is a way to compare stats people will find a way to make it competitive.

[Edited on 06.25.2011 6:00 AM PDT]

  • 06.25.2011 5:56 AM PDT

This sort of idea has crossed my mind before, although I didn't think it was very likely.

I suppose it could work if we had a filter for "my platform only" similar to "my language" and "good connection" in Reach. That would minimise people complaining about platform specific advantages.

I don't know what Sony, Microsoft, Apple and any others would think though...

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I think it's certainly possible. I doubt bungie would release two new game IP's. The whole premise of aerospace, that we know of so far, has been space oriented. Space, clouds, cloud based social networking for bungie games. You catch mah drift? I'd like to see where this goes.

  • 06.25.2011 7:23 AM PDT

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  • 06.25.2011 7:31 AM PDT

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  • 06.25.2011 7:37 AM PDT

I was thinking Aerospace was something like this. We'll just have to wait and see.

  • 06.25.2011 7:39 AM PDT
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this is probably the closest theory, to what aereospace is. (not that would know what it is, lol that's just silly)

  • 06.25.2011 7:43 AM PDT
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Wouldn't you be happy if you pulled something like John suggested off?
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Die happy?


Nice theory, John.

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Posted by: MURDUR 587
It would be pretty awesome ... and makes a large amount of sense.

Lets hope it's this or something cooler and not just "Oh yeah thats the name of our new engine ... and Bungie's new pet snail ..."

"Did we mention that said pet snail has his own, working, collectors edition Aerospace Time Machine, in which he ingeniously uses for the betterment of 7's everywhere?
Did we also mention that these delectably easy to use time machines will also be for sale, and open to the public for a semi-affordable price? When will that happen, you ask us?
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  • 06.25.2011 11:32 AM PDT
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So, John's the Aerospace theorist and I'm the IP theorist?

Anyways, I think this is quite compelling and I'd be excited to find out if this is close to the mark. While it's a lofty idea, it does sound like it would have to strike a delicate balance in order to be successful.

  • 06.25.2011 11:35 AM PDT

It's pretty much already confirmed to be a Bungie-ran fansite centered around myself.

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  • 06.25.2011 11:37 AM PDT

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  • 06.25.2011 11:38 AM PDT

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-This one of the most creative theory i've seen in B.net(and i think the same, i always imagine Aerospâce as a sort of social network where players can talk to each other or make transaction) think about Dust 514 too-

Except that it's PS3-only now. Wasn't it supposed to be cross-console?

  • 06.25.2011 11:58 AM PDT

then buy ownership of everything and become one giant continent and move to mars wen the nuclear war happens before the continent thing

  • 06.25.2011 12:01 PM PDT

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  • 06.25.2011 12:04 PM PDT

that actually seems quite plausible.
but im pretty sure step 7 of world domination has to do with the Illuminati. and with the help of them, then it would be a success for your theory

  • 06.25.2011 12:34 PM PDT

Loose talk is noose talk.

So, Aerospace is Facebook + Steam + Bungie.net + World Domination? That can only equal one thing: this.

We'll see on the 7th though if you're right. I hope you are.

  • 06.25.2011 12:45 PM PDT

I don't know. While I've always been a firm supporter of Bungie updating profile features to make Bungie.net more of a community connected social network, I don't know how I feel about them starting up their own social network on a different website. A Facebook for gamers doesn't appeal to me. A website that slowly expanded to its own social network (like Bungie.net has) appeals to me more. What incentives would they have for the casual gamer to join when they haven't even announced their new IP? I guess we'll have to wait until they tell us what Aerospace is!

Posted by: Bob Bobinson
So, Aerospace is Facebook + Steam + Bungie.net + World Domination? That can only equal one thing: this.

We'll see on the 7th though if you're right. I hope you are.

I don't know. Having another competitor like Steam wouldn't be the smartest move for Bungie unless they had Activision backing them up and removing Activision products from Steam. I still doubt that would be very successful to have Steam, Origin, and Aerospace competing for the PC market.

  • 06.25.2011 12:58 PM PDT