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Posted by: raganok99
Posted by: immadchill
Posted by: raganok99
Posted by: JesseJH
I do declare Reach non-canon because it makes no sense and doesnt fit. That doesn't mean it's official and that it isnt canon just because I said so.
Exactly, that's what I meant when I refuse to consider Reach as canon because it doesn't make any sense especially with timeline, super-carrier event and sneaking to Reach without any slip-space rupture detection, PoA being on ground and several inconsistencies.
Funny thing is that I'm only Noble member here... 0.0 (Sorry for off-topic!)
So, I think I shall side with OP for this.
The timeline is fine and I have written one in the unexplainable errors thread, sensors were jammed with stealth pylons and it was cloaked by the spires and jumped into sub orbital space so it couldn't get shot down by SMACS, POA is easily explainable.
Your suggestion/theory brings up several problems:
1. UNSC is heavily militarized in Reach, it's pretty obvious that they would want to know why their sensor isn't working properly, thus sending someone to investigate. Bam! They see super-carrier or any ships there, then call fleet to immediately attack the "invading" forces. And, they have stations that are designed to read the gravitational field strengths, it's obviously that they can see large distortion caused by Super-Carrier or stealth pylons as well.
2. Covenant is imitative, I don't see how that stealth pylons are capable to covering up very LARGE slip-space signature left behind by exiting from slip-space. And you know that radiation can penetrate cloaking, depending on types of radiation. Besides, it would require large source of energy for stealth pylons to cover that as well. Which i can assume that large source of energy would be equivalent to sun-like energy that is necessary enough to cloak that big and high radiations released by slip-space.
3. No, PoA is not easily explainable because to propel off this massive beast from the ground, IT WOULD BE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF ENERGY REQUIRED TO propel this beast off the ground! Look at thrusters, it's obvious that they are small, all right? I estimate it wouldn't be bigger than 200 to 450 meters long. Even with dozens of it, it wouldn't be enough energy to actually lift off this beast off from this ground! Gravity plays a key role in the planets, gravity can AFFECT anything, even to this PoA. Countering the gravitational strength, would normally require large amounts of energy to do this.
4. No again, timeline is messed up as well. PoA are supposed to be battling against super-cruiser, aiding the defensive fleet, dropping off Blue Team to secure NAV data in Circumference at GAMMA STATION.
I have read your posts on unexplainable errors thread, and I don't agree with your posts because of several problems appeared, as I explained here. I'll bring this post to that thread as soon I can.
1. We don't know how long the dark zone was there though or when it was activated. From the dialogue in the game it doesn't sound like it had been the dark zone had been active for all that long.
2. Them being imitative does not preclude new technology coming along or them finding a new use for a technology they had already reverse engineered. All it means is that they don't invent anything for themselves or attempt to improve on the technology they all ready have. Obviously the Covenant have some way to mask their exits from Slipspace to some degree, or they at least did for the Long Night of Solace anyway. And the UNSC did detect Covenant forces arriving, but whatever the Covenant did to mask their ships were only detected as slight anomalies that were written off as nothing.
3. Those booster tugs were actually pretty damn big, I'd guess them to be at least twice the size of a Pelican. And do you even know how much force they generate? I don't think you do. And those thrusters were only to get it up off the ground, breaking atmosphere was handled by the Autumn itself. In case you didn't notice it was angled upward at a slight angle where its own thrusters would push it out of Reach's atmosphere.
4. Um, the Autumn came down after it had extracted Chief and the remnants of his team from Gamma Station. It's not in two places at once, the end of Reach and the end of TFoR are hours apart from each other. TFoR ends at about 6:15 or 6:30 in the morning, and then the ending of Reach where you deliver the Cortana fragment to the Autumn is at about 4:30 in the afternoon, that's when the final mission starts at least.