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Subject: I Declare Halo: Reach Non-Canon. If you don't agree... Why?

The stealth pylons didnt cover up signatures put out by the Supercarrier, it jammed the UNSC sensors.

[Edited on 06.26.2011 2:26 PM PDT]

  • 06.26.2011 2:25 PM PDT
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Just to help clairify things to others, Jessie, you should change the title. You, and your cohorts have done a good job at exposing inconsistencies with Halo Reach, but arguing, never mind "declaring" Halo Reach as non-canon is a pointless. I know you don't like hearing it (I don't either), but it's undeniably canon, just very screwed up and inconsistent canon. The canonicity of Halo Reach isn't a matter of whether things add up or not, it's a matter of whether or not it's officially declared as canon. You can't argue that. Changing the title to "inconsistencies in halo reach" or something of the sort would make this a better topic.

For the record, I never actually had a side. I just like poking holes in arguments where I can.

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  • 06.26.2011 2:26 PM PDT

i agree totaly bc one its understandable that maybe the ovenant could take a planet in 2 hours if they had a deathstar. but were talkin fighting groundbattles space battles. the covenant couldnt take it that fast there was a very strong deffense that held them off till evacs and data could be gotten rid of. plus noble team dosnt exist not in the books nowere. master cheif and blue team were on reach fighting but there not in the game? now if u played as blue team i woulda been more understanding. jorg is the only spartan that is actually "real" from noble team. and there were a -blam!- ton of spartans their not gonna just give up i mean some were evaced others fought to death. reach isnt cannon bc bungie was squeezed for time and had to make a game to compete with black .c.ops. and plus in reach cortana was with cheif not with the profesor.

  • 06.26.2011 2:30 PM PDT

I do declare Reach non-canon because it makes no sense and doesnt fit. That doesn't mean it's official and that it isnt canon just because I said so. But this isnt what this thread is about.

  • 06.26.2011 2:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: StingyDogtyler1
i agree totaly bc one its understandable that maybe the ovenant could take a planet in 2 hours if they had a deathstar. but were talkin fighting groundbattles space battles. the covenant couldnt take it that fast there was a very strong deffense that held them off till evacs and data could be gotten rid of. plus noble team dosnt exist not in the books nowere. master cheif and blue team were on reach fighting but there not in the game? now if u played as blue team i woulda been more understanding. jorg is the only spartan that is actually "real" from noble team. and there were a -blam!- ton of spartans their not gonna just give up i mean some were evaced others fought to death. reach isnt cannon bc bungie was squeezed for time and had to make a game to compete with black .c.ops. and plus in reach cortana was with cheif not with the profesor.
You've got things mixed up. While you seem to be agreeing with JH, you're saying that it makes more sense that Reach fell in a couple of weeks. It feel within weeks in the game. Even if you didn't look at the dates, hearing the army trooper say "city's been under siege for the past 5 days should've been a hint". It fell within hours during the book. Don't think you've read it.

  • 06.26.2011 2:34 PM PDT


Posted by: StingyDogtyler1
i agree totaly bc one its understandable that maybe the ovenant could take a planet in 2 hours if they had a deathstar. but were talkin fighting groundbattles space battles. the covenant couldnt take it that fast there was a very strong deffense that held them off till evacs and data could be gotten rid of. plus noble team dosnt exist not in the books nowere. master cheif and blue team were on reach fighting but there not in the game? now if u played as blue team i woulda been more understanding. jorg is the only spartan that is actually "real" from noble team. and there were a -blam!- ton of spartans their not gonna just give up i mean some were evaced others fought to death. reach isnt cannon bc bungie was squeezed for time and had to make a game to compete with black .c.ops. and plus in reach cortana was with cheif not with the profesor.


You are so dumb

  • 06.26.2011 2:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: immadchill

Posted by: StingyDogtyler1
i agree totaly bc one its understandable that maybe the ovenant could take a planet in 2 hours if they had a deathstar. but were talkin fighting groundbattles space battles. the covenant couldnt take it that fast there was a very strong deffense that held them off till evacs and data could be gotten rid of. plus noble team dosnt exist not in the books nowere. master cheif and blue team were on reach fighting but there not in the game? now if u played as blue team i woulda been more understanding. jorg is the only spartan that is actually "real" from noble team. and there were a -blam!- ton of spartans their not gonna just give up i mean some were evaced others fought to death. reach isnt cannon bc bungie was squeezed for time and had to make a game to compete with black .c.ops. and plus in reach cortana was with cheif not with the profesor.


You are so dumb
No one told you to sugarcoat.

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Posted by: JesseJH
I do declare Reach non-canon because it makes no sense and doesnt fit. That doesn't mean it's official and that it isnt canon just because I said so.


Exactly, that's what I meant when I refuse to consider Reach as canon because it doesn't make any sense especially with timeline, super-carrier event and sneaking to Reach without any slip-space rupture detection, PoA being on ground and several inconsistencies.

Funny thing is that I'm only Noble member here... 0.0 (Sorry for off-topic!)

So, I think I shall side with OP for this.

  • 06.26.2011 2:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: raganok99
Funny thing is that I'm only Noble member here... 0.0 (Sorry for off-topic!)
I know I'm being off topic too, but why is that funny?

A bit more off topic, but I can't wait till the true bungie fanboys and true haters hit the floor.

  • 06.26.2011 2:44 PM PDT


Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: JesseJH
I do declare Reach non-canon because it makes no sense and doesnt fit. That doesn't mean it's official and that it isnt canon just because I said so.


Exactly, that's what I meant when I refuse to consider Reach as canon because it doesn't make any sense especially with timeline, super-carrier event and sneaking to Reach without any slip-space rupture detection, PoA being on ground and several inconsistencies.

Funny thing is that I'm only Noble member here... 0.0 (Sorry for off-topic!)

So, I think I shall side with OP for this.


The timeline is fine and I have written one in the unexplainable errors thread, sensors were jammed with stealth pylons and it was cloaked by the spires and jumped into sub orbital space so it couldn't get shot down by SMACS, POA is easily explainable.

  • 06.26.2011 2:44 PM PDT

you can't just jump twenty+ kilometres of warship into low orbit without someone noticing...

  • 06.26.2011 2:46 PM PDT

they couldn't sense it due to the Stealth pylons jamming the sensors and physically it was cloaked by the spires

  • 06.26.2011 2:47 PM PDT

doesn't matter if it was sub-orbital space. a huge hole is left by a slipspace jump. easily detectable. also, if the supercarrier were to jump in farther away from Reach, it would have to use its engines to get closer to reach. Emitting radiation.

  • 06.26.2011 2:49 PM PDT

wouldn't the UNSC forces, being trained combatants and all be curious to know why they were being jammed?

  • 06.26.2011 2:50 PM PDT


Posted by: immadchill

Posted by: StingyDogtyler1
i agree totaly bc one its understandable that maybe the ovenant could take a planet in 2 hours if they had a deathstar. but were talkin fighting groundbattles space battles. the covenant couldnt take it that fast there was a very strong deffense that held them off till evacs and data could be gotten rid of. plus noble team dosnt exist not in the books nowere. master cheif and blue team were on reach fighting but there not in the game? now if u played as blue team i woulda been more understanding. jorg is the only spartan that is actually "real" from noble team. and there were a -blam!- ton of spartans their not gonna just give up i mean some were evaced others fought to death. reach isnt cannon bc bungie was squeezed for time and had to make a game to compete with black .c.ops. and plus in reach cortana was with cheif not with the profesor.


You are so dumb


Jerk much?

  • 06.26.2011 2:50 PM PDT
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Once again, we can't argue what the Covenant can or can't do with their spires, since we know absolutely nothing about their capabilities. They could make africa look like a half eaten pizza crust for all I know. There are plenty of easier arguments to poke holes in.

Plutonium is right, too. If you've clearly got an immense blind spot on all your sensory equipment, then it's hard not to wonder about what's being hidden.

[Edited on 06.26.2011 2:54 PM PDT]

  • 06.26.2011 2:50 PM PDT


Posted by: JesseJH
doesn't matter if it was sub-orbital space. a huge hole is left by a slipspace jump. easily detectable. also, if the supercarrier were to jump in farther away from Reach, it would have to use its engines to get closer to reach. Emitting radiation.


I wont deny that they should have seen the ship exit slipspace but the radiation wouldn't have been detected because of the pylons, and yes they say that there was a dark zone and sent in Noble to investigate.

  • 06.26.2011 2:52 PM PDT


Posted by: JFMK2
Once again, we can't argue what the Covenant can or can't do with their spires, since we know absolutely nothing about their capabilities. They could make africa look like a half eaten pizza crust for all I care. There are plenty of easier arguments to poke holes in.



seriously? don't see a carrier that is bigger! than Manhatten Island suddenly appearing in-atmosphere above the one of the most strategically important planets in human space being a bit of a Canon concern? tell me that is a wind-up?

  • 06.26.2011 2:54 PM PDT

Yes. In THEORY. The Pylons can cover up all forms of energy emitted from a ship.

However, the signature from leaving slipspace should have been detected. Had the ship been only an Assault Carrier, this might have been more understandable. But still. Slipspace signatures.

  • 06.26.2011 2:55 PM PDT

you couldn't see it because it was PHYSICALLY CLOAKED by the spires, and the pylons didn't cover up ANY of the signatures. It JAMMED the UNSC's sensors so they couldn't see anything

  • 06.26.2011 2:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235

Posted by: JFMK2
Once again, we can't argue what the Covenant can or can't do with their spires, since we know absolutely nothing about their capabilities. They could make africa look like a half eaten pizza crust for all I care. There are plenty of easier arguments to poke holes in.



seriously? don't see a carrier that is bigger! than Manhatten Island suddenly appearing in-atmosphere above the one of the most strategically important planets in human space being a bit of a Canon concern? tell me that is a wind-up?
Jesus f**king christ, I'm clearly not arguing for or against anything here, I'm saying that we don't know what the spires can do! I NEVER f**king mentioned a supercarrier appearing out of nowhere as not being a concern. I NEVER even f**king mentioned the supercarrier being seen! I have NO CLUE what you're responding to! My god, that post was supposed to be easy to understand. Please, read what the f**k you're replying to.

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  • 06.26.2011 2:58 PM PDT
Subject: I Declare Halo: Reach Non-Canon. If you don't agree... Why?

We should all do research on these spire things.

  • 06.26.2011 2:59 PM PDT
Subject: I Declare Halo: Reach Non-Canon Due to Inconsistancies. Arguments pl0x
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I don't think there's much we can learn about spires, aside from what very little is explained in the game. If you find otherwise, please inform me.

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  • 06.26.2011 3:01 PM PDT

im not trying to be a jerk or anything im just saying that they couldn't have known there was a supercarrier there because they couldn't use sensors to see anything and they couldn't see anything physically. Play the mission Nightfall on Reach and you might get at what I'm trying to say.

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Posted by: immadchill

Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: JesseJH
I do declare Reach non-canon because it makes no sense and doesnt fit. That doesn't mean it's official and that it isnt canon just because I said so.


Exactly, that's what I meant when I refuse to consider Reach as canon because it doesn't make any sense especially with timeline, super-carrier event and sneaking to Reach without any slip-space rupture detection, PoA being on ground and several inconsistencies.

Funny thing is that I'm only Noble member here... 0.0 (Sorry for off-topic!)

So, I think I shall side with OP for this.


The timeline is fine and I have written one in the unexplainable errors thread, sensors were jammed with stealth pylons and it was cloaked by the spires and jumped into sub orbital space so it couldn't get shot down by SMACS, POA is easily explainable.


Your suggestion/theory brings up several problems:

1. UNSC is heavily militarized in Reach, it's pretty obvious that they would want to know why their sensor isn't working properly, thus sending someone to investigate. Bam! They see super-carrier or any ships there, then call fleet to immediately attack the "invading" forces. And, they have stations that are designed to read the gravitational field strengths, it's obviously that they can see large distortion caused by Super-Carrier or stealth pylons as well.

2. Covenant is imitative, I don't see how that stealth pylons are capable to covering up very LARGE slip-space signature left behind by exiting from slip-space. And you know that radiation can penetrate cloaking, depending on types of radiation. Besides, it would require large source of energy for stealth pylons to cover that as well. Which i can assume that large source of energy would be equivalent to sun-like energy that is necessary enough to cloak that big and high radiations released by slip-space.

3. No, PoA is not easily explainable because to propel off this massive beast from the ground, IT WOULD BE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF ENERGY REQUIRED TO propel this beast off the ground! Look at thrusters, it's obvious that they are small, all right? I estimate it wouldn't be bigger than 200 to 450 meters long. Even with dozens of it, it wouldn't be enough energy to actually lift off this beast off from this ground! Gravity plays a key role in the planets, gravity can AFFECT anything, even to this PoA. Countering the gravitational strength, would normally require large amounts of energy to do this.

4. No again, timeline is messed up as well. PoA are supposed to be battling against super-cruiser, aiding the defensive fleet, dropping off Blue Team to secure NAV data in Circumference at GAMMA STATION.

I have read your posts on unexplainable errors thread, and I don't agree with your posts because of several problems appeared, as I explained here. I'll bring this post to that thread as soon I can.

[Edited on 06.26.2011 3:04 PM PDT]

  • 06.26.2011 3:01 PM PDT