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I don't think he will change. He will probably speak more, but I can't imagine anything else.

  • 06.27.2011 8:40 PM PDT


Posted by: II Cipher
He was always quiet and a man of few words.

Personally I think he'll get more reckless or even agitated and angry.


343 knows that if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Ex. Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary

Though, I don't want him to be as quiet as he was in Halo 3.

  • 06.27.2011 10:13 PM PDT

He needs to change, in some way shape or form. It doesn't need to be too drastic, nothing that will anger large crowds of people, but for the most part, I agree with the OP. He needs to show some sort of PTSD or loosing his cool after fighting nonstop for 30+ years of nonstop gut-wrenching combat, loosing friends, watching comrades die before his own eyes.

He needs to have some sort of window into the human beneath the armor, without revealing too much. I personally don't see 343 pulling this off in any creative way. I don't see them changing him at all, but he still needs to. If he is going to save the universe, he needs to be someone we would want doing it. He needs to be someone that is a savior and a paragon and beacon of light. He needs to represent the "good" of humanity. Does anybody at all agree with this?

If Master Chief is going to be an icon, he needs to be an icon of light and good deeds, especially if he is going to save the universe, and what better way to do that than to represent the good nature that humanity holds within them, not the badass that makes cocky one-liners, that was Johnson, we don't need another Sgt. Johnson.

  • 06.28.2011 7:27 PM PDT

Posted by: Mochamoo
I don't think he will change. He will probably speak more, but I can't imagine anything else.


This is what I was thinking, more of a Noble Six type character.

  • 06.28.2011 7:28 PM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
He needs to change, in some way shape or form. It doesn't need to be too drastic, nothing that will anger large crowds of people, but for the most part, I agree with the OP. He needs to show some sort of PTSD or loosing his cool after fighting nonstop for 30+ years of nonstop gut-wrenching combat, loosing friends, watching comrades die before his own eyes.

He needs to have some sort of window into the human beneath the armor, without revealing too much. I personally don't see 343 pulling this off in any creative way. I don't see them changing him at all, but he still needs to. If he is going to save the universe, he needs to be someone we would want doing it. He needs to be someone that is a savior and a paragon and beacon of light. He needs to represent the "good" of humanity. Does anybody at all agree with this?

If Master Chief is going to be an icon, he needs to be an icon of light and good deeds, especially if he is going to save the universe, and what better way to do that than to represent the good nature that humanity holds within them, not the badass that makes cocky one-liners, that was Johnson, we don't need another Sgt. Johnson.


I really don't think he needs any change at all, but if 343i absolutely feel they have to, then they need to tread VERY carefully so that their additions do not conflict with what has already been established for John's character. And what I've seen the fans saying should happen is not at all in line with what has been established as John's character. Having an emotional outburst would not be in character for the Chief at all, his displays of emotions are far more subtle, and I think that adds a lot of interesting appeal to the character. He doesn't display emotions outwardly the same way as non-Spartans because of the Spartan training. They were all trained to keep their emotions in check and under control for the good of the mission. And sorry, but I really don't see any need to change John at all characterwise, he's fine the way he's been for the past ten years.

And he already is all that stuff you've listed in your second paragraph. Just go read the last little bit of First Strike just after Whitcomb and Haverson sacrificed themselves and the Ascendant Justice, his thought process is just what you described. He has exhibited throughout his appearances in the series all the true exemplification qualifications of a hero. And whether you like it or not, that dry wit and "cocky" attitude are an integral part of his character, and if you ask me taking them out would be like taking away the Millennium Falcon from Han for good and giving him some other ship, it just wouldn't work out.

  • 06.30.2011 1:33 PM PDT

My Grandfather was a Desert Ranger, my Father was a Veteran Ranger in the NCR. My father was killed by Caesar's Legion and they took my Brother. It's now my responsibility to uphold the mantle of the Rangers and avenge my Father and find my Brother.

I think he might be going insane or something...like maybe Cortana gets destroyed and he keeps hearing her in his head like she's still there.

  • 06.30.2011 1:36 PM PDT

Posted by: OrderedComa

I really don't think he needs any change at all, but if 343i absolutely feel they have to, then they need to tread VERY carefully so that their additions do not conflict with what has already been established for John's character. And what I've seen the fans saying should happen is not at all in line with what has been established as John's character.


Doesn't matter, 343 should take the fan's requests into account. The goal of making a good game is to appease the fans, and make it entertaining and make them wanting more, which is why revealing more of his character bit by bit would be ideal to making them wanting more. You have to add a little bit to each installment, while keeping some elements secret. You can't just repeatedly give the fans the same -blam!- or they get bored and go onto play more interesting games with more interesting and better developed characters.

Posted by: OrderedComa
Having an emotional outburst would not be in character for the Chief at all, his displays of emotions are far more subtle, and I think that adds a lot of interesting appeal to the character. He doesn't display emotions outwardly the same way as non-Spartans because of the Spartan training. They were all trained to keep their emotions in check and under control for the good of the mission.


You really have no comprehension of how fragile the mind is. There are forces that function beyond the understanding of a mortal brain. Master Chief is not some emotionless, inhumane machine, he is a super-human, keyword being "human", they were physically and mentally powerful but in neither of these fields are they unbreakable. Master Chief has his limits physically as he does emotionally. You can adapt to the unknown, but first you have to encounter and confront the unknown. Master Chief was trained to grip his sanity with all his might, but it would be no hard task to grip so hard it were to shatter in the blink of an eye. Everybody has their limits, and it would be interesting to see Master Chief face an opponent so much his greater that he looses a bit of himself along the way. It can happen, it is possible, and unless you provide evidence that he has no limit to his cool collected personality and nothing, not even the most powerful, unstoppable force in the universe can wrench that from him as an immortal god, then I am inclined to disagree with you, friend.

Posted by: OrderedComa
And sorry, but I really don't see any need to change John at all characterwise, he's fine the way he's been for the past ten years.


And sorry, but I really couldn't stand the same story for another ten years, not many other sane-minded people would either.

Posted by: OrderedComa
He has exhibited throughout his appearances in the series all the true exemplification qualifications of a hero.


He's never evolved. Sun Tzu, possibly the most strategically, tactically, and militarily intelligent man ever known, tells us that, "To defeat the darkness out there you must first defeat the darkness inside yourself." John as a character has never evolved, not one rung up the ladder. He is a flat character and is unworthy of the title of main protagonist, much less hero. For example. When Keyes told him that "Winning isn't everything." there is not one moment in the entire Halo universe that he learned his lesson. His whole life has revolved around victory, and because of that, he has not grown as a character and much less a human being from a losing experience, and because of that, he will never be able to relate to the common man and will never know the cost of the lives that he is fighting for. He is a tool, a weapon, no more, and unless his character is delved into further, that is all he will be, a walking one-liner.

Posted by: OrderedComa
And whether you like it or not, that dry wit and "cocky" attitude are an integral part of his character, and if you ask me taking them out would be like taking away the Millennium Falcon from Han for good and giving him some other ship, it just wouldn't work out.


Like I said above, he is a cocky -blam!- who only cares for himself, leaves his team and others behind for his own damn self, and I for one think his whole character needs to be reevaluated for the sake of the fans. Games are supposed to make people feel important, not inferior. And if making him a likable character "just wouldn't work" then the Halo universe is doomed to fail and become nothing more than an elaborate money-laundering scheme.



If you ask me, a fitting ending to the story of Master Chief would be his death. He finally realizes he is at the end of his road, his fight is finished. He sees all of the honorable soldiers that he has served alongside in his career against the enemies of freedom. Keyes' famous words, "Winning ain't everything." repeating inside his head, but finding solace in the fact that he had saved them all, he'd defeated the source of the problem, and the civilizations of the universe were safe. His job was done, and now, he would rest. John realizes that the cause he served was much greater than he or any SPARTAN could compare to, and now he fights the seemingly endless hordes of enemies, he fights until he can fight no more, before going down in a fireworks display that stuns the Galaxy for many years to come.

Anything more than that would just be milking the franchise more than is necessary.

[Edited on 06.30.2011 3:18 PM PDT]

  • 06.30.2011 3:08 PM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

I bet the geas within him will change his personality.

Remember that Chakas and Riser personality changed because of their geas?My money is that the same destiny will awaits the Ch33f.

  • 06.30.2011 3:12 PM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

@pred

There is a reason why Chiefs bahavior will change in Halo 4...that's your whole point right?

I disgree with your last point,he does cares for his friends.If you think otherwise then you are just plain ignorant.

I won't argue with you when you turned into a lone wolf in his first days as a Spartan.But he did cared alot for others,exemples for ya:
-He saved Cortana from the gravemind(suicide mission against the flood),even when the mind convinced Cortana that Halsey is a -blam!- and that John won't safe her,he still did,he hold his promise to her,he always did even in Halo 4.

"Wake me when you need me"
"John i need you"
*wakes up *

-In First Strike he said that he was willing to sacrifise himself for his teammates and for Humanity

-A former enemy of him Thel Vadam,he grapped Thels hand when they tried to escape from the mind in Halo 3.A douchbag would have said "-blam!- you splitchin" but John didn't.

-He saved Parissa from drowning in a lake,when he was 6 or younger.Did you ever heard of a kid that young saving someone in that manner?

Edit:The Forerunners have something special in store for him,we don't know if it's death or survival.If it isn't death then i expect you create hate threads for Halo in the future.If so then you should fill a complain to the Forerunners and MB for making that choice.

[Edited on 06.30.2011 3:24 PM PDT]

  • 06.30.2011 3:21 PM PDT

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Doesn't matter, 343 should take the fan's requests into account. The goal of making a good game is to appease the fans, and make it entertaining and make them wanting more, which is why revealing more of his character bit by bit would be ideal to making them wanting more. You have to add a little bit to each installment, while keeping some elements secret. You can't just repeatedly give the fans the same -blam!- or they get bored and go onto play more interesting games with more interesting and better developed characters.


Not if those requests are going against what has already been established as his character. Changing the events of a story or the timeline or little pieces like that is acceptable, but when they start making characters things they aren't, that is when they have gone too far. The changes to characters within a story are small and subtle, and usually they occur over a long time. Or sometimes they just don't really change at all. Take Batman for instance, the guy has been around for ages and been almost exactly the same in each iteration as far as I can tell, yet nobody is tired of him.

You really have no comprehension of how fragile the mind is. There are forces that function beyond the understanding of a mortal brain. Master Chief is not some emotionless, inhumane machine, he is a super-human, keyword being "human", they were physically and mentally powerful but in neither of these fields are they unbreakable. Master Chief has his limits physically as he does emotionally. You can adapt to the unknown, but first you have to encounter and confront the unknown. Master Chief was trained to grip his sanity with all his might, but it would be no hard task to grip so hard it were to shatter in the blink of an eye. Everybody has their limits, and it would be interesting to see Master Chief face an opponent so much his greater that he looses a bit of himself along the way. It can happen, it is possible, and unless you provide evidence that he has no limit to his cool collected personality and nothing, not even the most powerful, unstoppable force in the universe can wrench that from him as an immortal god, then I am inclined to disagree with you, friend.

I think you grossly underestimate how much a Spartan II can take, and quite frankly I don't it's in them to break. And if he can take the Flood without any sort of breakdown, I'm sure he can handle whatever else is out there as the Flood is quite possibly the worst and most horrifying thing the universe has ever seen. I don't remember much of what it specifically said or the entire context, but in the Flood it mentions how is greatly unnerved by the Flood, it's the only that really comes close to scaring him, yet he forges on and even goes directly into the thick of it to rescue Cortana. That speaks volumes to his mental resolve and the strength of his mind!

And sorry, but I really couldn't stand the same story for another ten years, not many other sane-minded people would either.

Who said anything at all about it being the same story? A character being the same as in a previous story does not mean that the next story featuring him will be the same.

He's never evolved. Sun Tzu, possibly the most strategically, tactically, and militarily intelligent man ever known, tells us that, "To defeat the darkness out there you must first defeat the darkness inside yourself." John as a character has never evolved, not one rung up the ladder. He is a flat character and is unworthy of the title of main protagonist, much less hero. For example. When Keyes told him that "Winning isn't everything." there is not one moment in the entire Halo universe that he learned his lesson. His whole life has revolved around victory, and because of that, he has not grown as a character and much less a human being from a losing experience, and because of that, he will never be able to relate to the common man and will never know the cost of the lives that he is fighting for. He is a tool, a weapon, no more, and unless his character is delved into further, that is all he will be, a walking one-liner.

BULL--blam!-!
Are you honestly that obtuse? Have you even comprehended what you've read from the books an seen in the games?!?! Open your God damn eyes!

A hero is defined by his deeds, and one can tell just by looking that John is a hero! Your claiming otherwise has completely convinced me that you don't know a bloody thing about what you are talking about.

John and every other Spartan knows EXACTLY what they fight for! And each is ready to lay their lives down for the cause. Reread the end of First Strike after Whitcomb and Haverson have lured the Covenant into the trap back at Unyielding Heirophant, and actually read Chief's thoughts! Pay extremely close attention because you have obviously missed it. Or just watch the cutscene at the very end of CE's first level, watch how Chief treats the panicking marine in the escape pod. And even though I don't particularly like the book for several reasons, look at how Chief helps and cares for the marine who got injured by the Needler shards while rounding up strays after first landing on Alpha Halo in the Flood!

Like I said above, he is a cocky -blam!- who only cares for himself, leaves his team and others behind for his own damn self, and I for one think his whole character needs to be reevaluated for the sake of the fans. Games are supposed to make people feel important, not inferior. And if making him a likable character "just wouldn't work" then the Halo universe is doomed to fail and become nothing more than an elaborate money-laundering scheme.

*faceFloodInfectionForm* -.- Oh good God >_>

Have you even -blam!- READ the books? What the -blam!- hell have you been smoking?!?!

He cares about his team, they are his family, and if Keyes hadn't stopped him he would have gone right down to Reach to be with them defending the generators. And in First Strike he insisted on going back to Reach in hopes of finding any of his Spartans surviving. Or when he lost James at Gamma Station. You are a complete ass to claim that John is a selfish bastard who only cares about himself.
Or look at what he does in Halo 3, he goes into the very heart of the Flood infestation twice to rescue to Cortana. The first time she wasn't there of course, but once he actually knew where Cortana was, he hazarded all odds to rescue her. And just look at the way he carries himself when he finds the recording of Cortana and listen to his voice. And when he actually finds her as well.

If you ask me, a fitting ending to the story of Master Chief would be his death. He finally realizes he is at the end of his road, his fight is finished. He sees all of the honorable soldiers that he has served alongside in his career against the enemies of freedom. Keyes' famous words, "Winning ain't everything." repeating inside his head, but finding solace in the fact that he had saved them all, he'd defeated the source of the problem, and the civilizations of the universe were safe. His job was done, and now, he would rest. John realizes that the cause he served was much greater than he or any SPARTAN could compare to, and now he fights the seemingly endless hordes of enemies, he fights until he can fight no more, before going down in a fireworks display that stuns the Galaxy for many years to come.

Anything more than that would just be milking the franchise more than is necessary.


You're entitled to that opinion, though I completely and totally disagree. I would not find killing Chief off meaningful at all, killing off the main character in a series like Halo is far, far, far too cliched and overused. I don't think it should happy ending service fare either, but I know killing him off would severely disappoint me as it's not a clever end at all.

  • 08.11.2011 7:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: OrderedComa
I would not find killing Chief off meaningful at all, killing off the main character in a series like Halo is far, far, far too cliched and overused. I don't think it should happy ending service fare either, but I know killing him off would severely disappoint me as it's not a clever end at all.


Have the Forerunners take him somewhere with them and end his chapter in the saga for good. Been saying that for months.

  • 08.11.2011 7:50 PM PDT

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Edit:The Forerunners have something special in store for him,we don't know if it's death or survival.If it isn't death then i expect you create hate threads for Halo in the future.If so then you should fill a complain to the Forerunners and MB for making that choice.

I don't think it's the forerunners.
I think it's the living universe. Not even the precursors but the living universe.

  • 08.11.2011 8:01 PM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa
You're entitled to that opinion, though I completely and totally disagree. I would not find killing Chief off meaningful at all, killing off the main character in a series like Halo is far, far, far too cliched and overused. I don't think it should happy ending service fare either, but I know killing him off would severely disappoint me as it's not a clever end at all.


So we agree to disagree, and you and only a few others do have some very sharp points that I respect vehemently, more over than most of the "other" members -gazes 1 post above his- combined. But I have to ask, why would it be bad to kill him? I can think of countless ways to kill them that I have not yet seen in any videogame I can think of off the top of my head atm, and in my opinion it would almost make him a sort of "ultimate" hero. He already said he'd sacrifice himself according to you, so why not have him live up to the whole "Jesus Christ" mythos and have him die already!? (Unless that is already attributed to Noble Six, since he is US and that could be sort of Bungie's way of telling us how important we are to the Halo series, meh I dunno)

I just think it would make him a more "human" character, and would really and truly show, effectively, just how fearsome the obstacles he must overcome really are. The story just wouldn't feel complete without one final showdown with the main antagonist or multiple antagonists, ending with him taking him with him in a fiery climax that just leaves you sitting there wild eyed. (Think the "Suicide Mission" of Mass Effect 2, or "Arrival")

  • 08.11.2011 8:30 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

The thing I don't like about the Chief is when he regarded himself and the other Spartans as separate from normal Humans, in the way that he referred to the reaction by a marine as a "Human thing". (Paraphrasing a little) That was in Palace Hotel.

That speaks volumes to me. It made "normal" Humans seem unimportant in comparison to Chief and the rest of the Spartans, which is quite negative I must say. I infer from it that Chief essentially views "normal Humans" as faceless and even dispensable. Therefore I agree somewhat with Predkiller in the sense that it is questionable as to whether Chief truly knows what he is fighting for or if he is just following orders. It is questionable as to whether he really views each Human life, those outside his "inner circle", as important. (Bearing in mind that Palace Hotel is after First Strike) If it were otherwise, then I think he would say "people" rather than "Humans" in that scene.

Anyway, I really don't care what 343 Industries do with him. I have never really been all that interested in his character.

  • 08.11.2011 8:30 PM PDT

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I think they should portray Chief more "tired". They should show the stress of constant war on Chief shoulders, and now the safety of the universe. Im not saying let him break down and cry, but show some kind of weariness in his actions

  • 08.11.2011 8:39 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
The thing I don't like about the Chief is when he regarded himself and the other Spartans as separate from normal Humans, in the way that he referred to the reaction by a marine as a "Human thing". (Paraphrasing a little) That was in Palace Hotel.

That speaks volumes to me. It made "normal" Humans seem unimportant in comparison to Chief and the rest of the Spartans, which is quite negative I must say. I infer from it that Chief essentially views "normal Humans" as faceless and even dispensable. Therefore I agree somewhat with Predkiller in the sense that it is questionable as to whether Chief truly knows what he is fighting for or if he is just following orders. It is questionable as to whether he really views each Human life, those outside his "inner circle", as important. (Bearing in mind that Palace Hotel is after First Strike) If it were otherwise, then I think he would say "people" rather than "Humans" in that scene.

Anyway, I really don't care what 343 Industries do with him. I have never really been all that interested in his character.


And in that sense, he really isn't worthy of being the hero. He is a badass, sure, but a true hero fights for something greater than himself, and truly cares for the lives he is fighting for. In my opinion, for a story about a struggle between the forces of good and evil to be at its utmost zenith as far as the sense of gamer/viewer/reader interest goes, it needs to have a protagonist that represents the epitome of human morality. Somebody who cares for the lives he is fighting for, it also makes it more realistic in a sense, if he truly cares for and knows what he is fighting fore, and is truly devoted to something he believes that is greater than himself, and KNOWS defeat, and KNOWS how it works, and somebody who has fought foes on such a grand scale that he has been pushed to his limits and beyond, then I could possibly see somebody like that going to such lengths to defeat the impossible, to defeat an evil so powerful, and come through at the end.

But because John doesn't really have much of a soul left at all, as many put it, and how it appears to be, I really don't think he could pull through in the end. The only thing that could possibly save him is his augmentations, and Cortana, and even then, there are forces in this vast universe, this vast world, that could blink somebody like him into nothingness without a shadow of a doubt, and if they wanted to, could break him, and leave him a hollow shell of a man.

Unless he can change, and realize his short comings, acknowledge them at least, then I don't think he can survive his own hubris, because once you let that darkness take control of you, it continues to grow until it destroys you. So, I have to say, I won't be satisfied with Halo 4 unless one of those 2 things happens to him. Anything less is just completely unrealistic, and a straight up copout on 343's part, and will do nothing more than reveal their agenda...

  • 08.11.2011 8:41 PM PDT

I just hope he's in more actiony cut-scenes, pull off some cool moves like he does in books. He could show some emotions though, anger, fear and even sadness.

  • 08.11.2011 8:54 PM PDT

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I think he will say even less, until he is completely mute. Even the strongest men would be broken by what he had to go through.

  • 08.11.2011 9:06 PM PDT

He better not have booster packs. He could have used that that a billion times in the other games. To have them hidden like that kind of pisses me off. It's like he trolled us all. Wow off topic. Anyways, I hope they go back to the old school helmet, and I think things will be more personal this time, or maybe he'll just be the same old badass. Never know.

  • 08.11.2011 9:11 PM PDT

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Hes going to be able to sprint without using a armor ability like reach and have that jet pack.

  • 08.12.2011 5:11 AM PDT

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Chief doesn't need to change, but the characters and surroundings around him in which he reacts to need to change.

  • 08.12.2011 5:47 AM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
The thing I don't like about the Chief is when he regarded himself and the other Spartans as separate from normal Humans, in the way that he referred to the reaction by a marine as a "Human thing". (Paraphrasing a little) That was in Palace Hotel.

That speaks volumes to me. It made "normal" Humans seem unimportant in comparison to Chief and the rest of the Spartans, which is quite negative I must say. I infer from it that Chief essentially views "normal Humans" as faceless and even dispensable. Therefore I agree somewhat with Predkiller in the sense that it is questionable as to whether Chief truly knows what he is fighting for or if he is just following orders. It is questionable as to whether he really views each Human life, those outside his "inner circle", as important. (Bearing in mind that Palace Hotel is after First Strike) If it were otherwise, then I think he would say "people" rather than "Humans" in that scene.

Anyway, I really don't care what 343 Industries do with him. I have never really been all that interested in his character.


What's the whole context of that quote though? I don't remember Palace Hotel all that well. Would you mind either typing that whole little section, or could you at least just give more of a summary of it? One little quote without the overall context and the whole line of thought is not the best use of possible supporting evidence.

And while it is canon, I'm not sure whether I'd put that much stock in one short story's portrayal of a character if it seems to be out of synch (which your interpretation of that section kind of seems like to me, and since I don't remember the whole section for that part of the story we'll assume your interpretation is what is written in it) with what has been shown throughout the existence of the character.

  • 08.12.2011 10:10 AM PDT

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Posted by: OrderedComa
What's the whole context of that quote though? I don't remember Palace Hotel all that well. Would you mind either typing that whole little section, or could you at least just give more of a summary of it? One little quote without the overall context and the whole line of thought is not the best use of possible supporting evidence.

And while it is canon, I'm not sure whether I'd put that much stock in one short story's portrayal of a character if it seems to be out of synch (which your interpretation of that section kind of seems like to me, and since I don't remember the whole section for that part of the story we'll assume your interpretation is what is written in it) with what has been shown throughout the existence of the character.

It was just my interpretation, and I am not exactly the most optimistic person on this forum. Nevertheless here is the bit:

"But I can-" Palmer spat.

"Now, Corporal," the Spartan admonished. "At least trust your squadmates enough to handle one Ghost with a wounded rider."

As the turret swung back around John heard Corporal Palmer grunt. He could picture the look on her face. It would be the same look of anger and frustration he had seen on innumerable humans when they were reminded of what they were and weren't capable of - or where their real responsibilities lay.

Humans - what had prompted that? He never thought of himself as anything other than human. But that wasn't exactly true. He may have thought of himself as having been human, perhaps that he was even still human but no one ever let him forget that he was a Spartan. That was definitely true.

I think the writer was trying to show that Master Chief in this story is still Human, but this scene made him look as if he has some sort of superiority complex, treating "humans" as if they are unimportant or inferior. Yes, normal people are inferior to Spartans in many ways, but a noble person would not lower him/herself in standard by pointing that out.

The labelling of them "Humans" rather than, I dunno, people or marines makes it look as if he views them as faceless. As soon as you start viewing things as faceless you can view them as dispensable.

It almost seemed out of character in my view. You could quite easily imagine a Sangheili Zealot being in character by thinking that middle passage.

  • 08.12.2011 12:30 PM PDT

I DO have time to bleed...i just dont want to.

there just going to look deeper into his back story and personalty thats all i think will chainge

  • 08.12.2011 2:28 PM PDT

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JesusWasAHindu


Posted by: Physco Mandez
I expect the decades of military service will take their toll on John. The fact he couldn't save his closest friends from death, and that Cortana is clearly becoming Rampant - though he always ignored the signs. All of this could make John frustrated and angry, possibly even psychotic to some extent. Then of course, he discovers he needs to save the Universe from an ancient threat - perhaps it's all too much for him.

Perhaps John is going insane.

Perhaps, its all in his head. A dream within a dream...

  • 08.12.2011 2:40 PM PDT

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