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Posted by: grey101
Posted by: Jayster 94
Posted by: grey101
what story of evolutions? i have the book, and legends doesn't say anything about anything.
There is a Hunter in the Halo Legends Prototype episode along with Brutes in the Package and the Babysitter. In Evolutions The Return has Hunters, Stomping on the Heels of a Fuss has Brutes and in Dirt Hunters and Brutes are both mentioned.
Halo Blood Line had Hunters too.
Also, First Strike (Where Brutes were supposedly first encountered) is after Halo Reach which had Brutes in it.
These things have to be retconned otherwise things like comic books, stories and even a couple of the video games would be boring. I don't think the Covenant would get far with just Elites, Grunts, Jackals and Drones anyway.
1. no date was given as to when prototype took place, so you can't use this.
Actually, there are hints given. Prototype most likely takes place shortly before Midnight at the Heart of Midlothian, which would place it at about the same time as Halo (CE) takes place (September 2552)
2. bloodline takes place 2552 which is the end of the war; not to mention that they are fighting an isolated source and can't tell ONI (if this were at an earlier date)
3. Again brutes were already seen at harvest but removed, seeing them here is reinforcing that fact (used during end of war). and we do not know if the brutes had widespread deployment on the planet. first strike takes place just after reach anyway so the Spartans couldn't possibly be updated on them.
While you are right about Black Team in Bloodlines (takes place roughly at the same time as Fall of Reach/Reach) there is a possibility UNSC forces saw Brutes after Wars. Headhunters mentions Brutes (in the "apes or gators" line). And Headhunters takes place before the fall of Reach (prior to 2552, and given the fact that Roland and Jonah must be roughly the same age as Noble Team, it would take place sometime around 2550)
4. Fuss takes places during the attack on reach, the brutes landed on beta gabriel for some reason (forgot). seeing how this is an isolated encounter it does not count not to mention the ONI spook spoke of seeing them on high charity.
Fuss most likely takes place sometime during September (sources like Halopedia mention the main character (who dies in the book) to have a date of death in September 2552). So that is after FoR/Reach and prior or around the time of First Strike. So if that was the first documented encounter with Brutes after Wars (unlikely) then you are right ;)
you totally disregarded the dates and circumstances that all of the creatures were seen. you have yet to give me a clear date and engagement that brutes and hunters were fought.
Not saying I disagree or agree with either of you. Its just that I'm working on a timeline as we speak and multiple sources make it possible for Brute encounters between Wars and First Strike. Its just that they were most likely never deployed en masse again after Contact Harvest.
As for Hunters: I think its safe to say they were frequently encountered after Wars as they don't appear to be strangers to the UNSC in any story taking place from Wars on.
[Edited on 06.27.2011 12:20 PM PDT]